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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by RayMcBlue(m): 6:21am On Sep 16, 2014 |
tbaba12345: ^^You seemed confused. Before we can go any further, please elaborate further on your assertion that "God does not need empirical validation." It would go a long way in clearing up the smoke screen you're deliberately propagating. |
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by logicboy01: 6:34am On Sep 16, 2014 |
^^^ I said it before that Tbaba makes ridiculous claims. The guy copies arguments fro Hamza Tzortzis, Andalusi and co. This is why his arguments on morality are half baked. Because his mentors are also half baked. God is not necessary for there to be objective morality. That is an inescapable reality; 1 + 1 in mathematics is always 2 whether or not God exists. If I see a child on the road, killing the child would be wrong whether or not God exists. |
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by RayMcBlue(m): 6:42am On Sep 16, 2014 |
logicboy01: ^^^ The simple truth. Morality isn't subjective or democratic. It doesn't need belief in "God" to make it work, period. |
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by tbaba12345: 6:48am On Sep 16, 2014 |
RayMcBlue: No my friend, with all due respect... you are the one confused. If you understood what has been written, that would have been cleared up.. You believe in evolution, your belief is based on testimony that you have received from different sources. You personally do not have physical evidence nor did you carry out tests. Yet you hold it as a truth. Even though as an induction process, it can never reach the level of certainty. Most of the other beliefs in your life are based on simple reasoning or testimony. The shape of the world, where china is, whether you had a great, great, great, great, grand father et.c The reasons you hold these as truths is testimony and simple reasoning. If you apply your kind of special skepticism of God and demanding empirical evidence to all these beliefs, it means you will believe none of them, until you prove them by yourself. The truth of God can be arrived at by applying the same standards you use daily not applying a hypocritical special standard. |
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by logicboy01: 6:57am On Sep 16, 2014 |
tbaba12345: lol....the bold is a Hamza Tzortzis argument. I can produce the video if you want. A failed argument His understanding of evolution is not from testimony- the fact that you can not tell the difference between scientific research and testimony is the reason why you have half baked reasoning or philosophies. Evolution like any scientific theory has undergone research and peer review. The findings of the research on evolution can be replicated. Other scientists test the validity of the experiments and observations- that is peer review. The shape of the world can easily be proven beyond doubt and same with china. Video evidence is far different from Testimony of a person. There are videos of china and space recordings of the earth. Even travelling around the ear shows tat it is spherical Please dont make ridiculous arguments |
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by RayMcBlue(m): 7:00am On Sep 16, 2014 |
^^@tbaba12345 You have failed to provide solid arguments backing up your assertions that God deserve a special treatment in the universe. And your stand on morality is a joke. Isn't it odd that God, unlike everything else in our universe, has been put into a special category? When we talk about God, we are supposed to do so "philosophically." Why? Why not treat God just like all other objects and devise experiments to detect his presence or absence? The classic religious response is, "God must remain hidden. If he proved his existence, that would take away faith." This is clever - here we have an object named God that proves its existence by completely hiding its existence. Yeah, right... makes perfect sense. You must be very proud. 1 Like |
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by RayMcBlue(m): 7:07am On Sep 16, 2014 |
Engaging in arguments with a brick wall is counter productive and time consuming. Adios. 2 Likes |
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by tbaba12345: 7:14am On Sep 16, 2014 |
RayMcBlue: ^^@tbaba12345 You atheists are the ones creating special standards for God, different from your daily standards. My convictions are based of God are based on the common sense standard. My belief that the Quran is a miracle, can be easily deduced. It is a pointer to the transcendent. The Quran, urges men to reason, apply simple reason to arrive at God conclusion. I can bring up metaphysical events but unless you are present, I do not expect you to believe them. If God is metaphysical, then it lies beyond the science scope. |
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by tbaba12345: 7:53am On Sep 16, 2014 |
Raymcblue, I think, I have tried for this thread. I want to apologize if I said anything inappropriate. Thank you for engaging. God bless. Signing off. 1 Like |
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by wiegraf: 10:04pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
tbaba12345: not sure if troll or you actually believe this... consciousness beyond the scope of science... really? deductive reasoning aids your case for Allah. generally speaking I assume? really? then you present your storybook as an example... good lawd |
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by booblacain(m): 10:17pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
RayMcBlue: Maybe you can tell us how long you think a stone will exist before it becomes conscious of itself. I give you from now to eternity to pick a number. |
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