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So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by tbaba12345: 9:56am On Sep 13, 2014
The FBI arrested a terrorist here in America. He had written about how evil the government was; that he believed his understanding of God and Scripture told him that he had to force others to follow his way of life; and that he was willing to give his life up for His Creator and His Cause. He had guns, weapons, and even explosives all ready for the attack, and was recruiting others to join his movement. He wanted to bomb places of worship of other faiths, because he believed only *his* faith deserves space to worship God.

It should have been big news in the media. His face should have been plastered all over Fox News and CNN, and his brazen plans of 'jihad' (religious war) would have provided incessant fuel to the government that they need to do more about radical religious terrorism and the threat of holy wars to America.

It should have been on the news, but it wasn't. That's because the man in question was not named Mustafa or Muhammad or Ahmad, but rather Robert James. And his skin color was not brown, but rather white. And the places of worship he wanted to bomb were not synagogues, but rather masjids. And his 'holy war' was not the Arabic word 'jihad', but rather the English phrase of fighting for 'liberty and God'.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/217850/so-did-you-guys-hear-we-caught-a-terrorist-last-week/

The selective highlighting of only 'Muslim' acts of terrorism and the alarmist attitude towards every punk kid that gets caught in a pseudo-jihadist trap set by the FBI constructs a narrative in the mind of the American population that only Muslims are responsible for terrorist acts, and that somehow all religious lunatics come from within the Islamic tradition. Crazies like Robert James are completely ignored.

- Yasir Qadhi


Note: 88% of domestic terrorist plots in USA since 1995 did not involve Muslims (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/04/19/467384/chart-right-wing-extremism-terror-threat-oklahoma-city/?mobile=nc)

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by Rich4god(m): 10:01am On Sep 13, 2014
yawns....
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by tbaba12345: 10:05am On Sep 13, 2014
BetaThings, maclatunji, sino, lanrexlan
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by cirmuell(m): 10:16am On Sep 13, 2014
Mtcheew!
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by RayMcBlue(m): 10:27am On Sep 13, 2014
Like I always say, religion is harmful, not helpful. The reason is because God is imaginary. Religious delusion is hurting all of us.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by RayMcBlue(m): 10:42am On Sep 13, 2014
The level of atheism throughout the rest of the developed world refutes any argument that religion is somehow a moral necessity. Countries like Norway, Iceland, Australia, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium, Japan, the Netherlands, Denmark and the United Kingdom are among the least religious societies on Earth. According to the United Nations’ Human Development Report, they are also the healthiest, as indicated by measures of life expectancy, adult literacy, per capita income, educational attainment, gender equality, homicide rate and infant mortality.

Conversely, the 50 nations now ranked lowest in terms of human development are unwaveringly religious, with more than 50% hailing from the middle-east.

Countries with high levels of atheism also are the most charitable in terms of giving foreign aid to the developing world. The dubious link between "Christian literalism" and "Muslim values" is also belied by other indices of charity. Consider the ratio in salaries between top-tier CEOs and their average employee: in Britain it is 24 to 1; France 15 to 1; Sweden 13 to 1;

In Iran where more than 83% of the population believes that Mohammed was literally taken to heaven on a flying chariot, it is 475 to 1. Many a camel, it would seem, expects to squeeze easily through the eye of a needle.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by tbaba12345: 11:31am On Sep 13, 2014
RayMcBlue: Like I always say, religion is harmful, not helpful. The reason is because God is imaginary. Religious delusion is hurting all of us.

This is nonsense.

In the first 500 years of Islam, Muslims were technologically, militarily and economically the most advanced in the world – innovating many new technologies and expanding the boundaries of human knowledge.

Christianity was never the reason for the European dark ages, but rather the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of barbarian tribes is the most glaringly obvious reason. Historians are generally agreed that the last great ancient, or classical period philosopher before the fall into the dark ages was the Christian thinker St Augustine!

For most of the last 500 years, technological advancement in the West started, and has mostly occurred, under highly religious non-democratic european monarchies and empires.

The vast majority of pioneering Western scientists were not Atheists, nor did they live under Secularism, but rather they were devout Catholics and even clergy (e.g. Roger Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Copernicus, Descartes, Pascal, Boyle and even the recent George Lemaitre, discoverer of the ‘big bang theory’…) or protestant Church (e.g. Newton) – and much scientific literature and almost ALL institutes of higher education and research were under patronage by the Catholic [and later Anglican] Church!

https://www.nairaland.com/1794405/islam-muslims-side-talk-station/20#26144328

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by RayMcBlue(m): 12:38pm On Sep 13, 2014
tbaba12345:

This is nonsense.

In the first 500 years of Islam, Muslims were technologically, militarily and economically the most advanced in the world – innovating many new technologies and expanding the boundaries of human knowledge.

Christianity was never the reason for the European dark ages, but rather the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of barbarian tribes is the most glaringly obvious reason. Historians are generally agreed that the last great ancient, or classical period philosopher before the fall into the dark ages was the Christian thinker St Augustine!

For most of the last 500 years, technological advancement in the West started, and has mostly occurred, under highly religious non-democratic european monarchies and empires.

The vast majority of pioneering Western scientists were not Atheists, nor did they live under Secularism, but rather they were devout Catholics and even clergy (e.g. Roger Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Copernicus, Descartes, Pascal, Boyle and even the recent George Lemaitre, discoverer of the ‘big bang theory’…) or protestant Church (e.g. Newton) – and much scientific literature and almost ALL institutes of higher education and research were under patronage by the Catholic [and later Anglican] Church!

https://www.nairaland.com/1794405/islam-muslims-side-talk-station/20#26144328

I don't need a lesson in history to know that the above is total BS. Modern Civilization having religious background doesn't necessarily make religion a concept to be revered. In fact, Religion deceives, divide, and destroys.

Let's say that you were to create a far-flung news network, and you somehow had the capacity to observe all of the inexplicable tragedy that occurs on Earth each day:

-all of the murders,
-all of the car wrecks
-all of the rapes
-all of the mutilations
-all of the torture
-all the miscarriages and stillbirths
-all of the disease
-all of the starvation
-all of the destruction
-all of the terrorism


Let's say you had a news feed that delivered this all to you in real time. Just ten minutes with this news feed would be unbearable. Thousands of tragic, heart wrenching events would impinge themselves upon you every minute. It would make you vomit over and over and over again until you passed out in exhaustion and despair.

Meanwhile, there is a housewife in Abuja who firmly believes that God answered her prayer this morning to remove the food stain from her favorite blouse. She prayed to God to help with the stain, and after she washed it the stain was gone. Praise Jesus! Masha Allah!

There are tens of millions of people in the planet who like the Abuja housewife firmly believe that God is personally helping them each day with their trivial prayers like this. They believe that they have a personal relationship with God, that God hears their prayers each day, and that God has time to reach down and remove the stain molecules one by one and can even murder their enemies for them. They believe it with all of their hearts. (The advent of Religious fanaticism (terrorism) right there, mate).

It makes you wonder: If God has the time and the will to answer these trivial prayers, then why does he have no time for the millions of other massively serious problems that arise on earth every day?

The reason why there is so much suffering in this world, and the reason why a statistical analysis of your trivial prayers always shows them to be complete coincidences, is because God is imaginary. The belief in God is pure superstition. Religion = delusions of grandeur.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by wiegraf: 12:43pm On Sep 13, 2014
tbaba12345:
This is nonsense.
In the first 500 years of Islam, Muslims were technologically, militarily and economically the most advanced in the world – innovating many new technologies and expanding the boundaries of human knowledge.
Christianity was never the reason for the European dark ages, but rather the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of barbarian tribes is the most glaringly obvious reason. Historians are generally agreed that the last great ancient, or classical period philosopher before the fall into the dark ages was the Christian thinker St Augustine!
For most of the last 500 years, technological advancement in the West started, and has mostly occurred, under highly religious non-democratic european monarchies and empires.
The vast majority of pioneering Western scientists were not Atheists, nor did they live under Secularism, but rather they were devout Catholics and even clergy (e.g. Roger Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Copernicus, Descartes, Pascal, Boyle and even the recent George Lemaitre, discoverer of the ‘big bang theory’…) or protestant Church (e.g. Newton) – and much scientific literature and almost ALL institutes of higher education and research were under patronage by the Catholic [and later Anglican] Church!
https://www.nairaland.com/1794405/islam-muslims-side-talk-station/20#26144328

Lol. nonsense?

dealing with you clowns is like dealing with the Borg.

and during these times you mention, for starters, there were atheist societies to compare with? what is wrong with y...ahh, again, forget I ask. sorry

what a fine spread of mindless droning. impressive. what are you doing here again sef? who let you out of the cancer ward?

anyhoo, proceed abeg. thanks
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by malvisguy212: 1:11pm On Sep 13, 2014
tbaba12345: The FBI arrested a terrorist here in America. He had written about how evil the government was; that he believed his understanding of God and Scripture told him that he had to force others to follow his way of life; and that he was willing to give his life up for His Creator and His Cause. He had guns, weapons, and even explosives all ready for the attack, and was recruiting others to join his movement. He wanted to bomb places of worship of other faiths, because he believed only *his* faith deserves space to worship God.

It should have been big news in the media. His face should have been plastered all over Fox News and CNN, and his brazen plans of 'jihad' (religious war) would have provided incessant fuel to the government that they need to do more about radical religious terrorism and the threat of holy wars to America.

It should have been on the news, but it wasn't. That's because the man in question was not named Mustafa or Muhammad or Ahmad, but rather Robert James. And his skin color was not brown, but rather white. And the places of worship he wanted to bomb were not synagogues, but rather masjids. And his 'holy war' was not the Arabic word 'jihad', but rather the English phrase of fighting for 'liberty and God'.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/217850/so-did-you-guys-hear-we-caught-a-terrorist-last-week/

The selective highlighting of only 'Muslim' acts of terrorism and the alarmist attitude towards every punk kid that gets caught in a pseudo-jihadist trap set by the FBI constructs a narrative in the mind of the American population that only Muslims are responsible for terrorist acts, and that somehow all religious lunatics come from within the Islamic tradition. Crazies like Robert James are completely ignored.

- Yasir Qadhi


Note: 88% of domestic terrorist plots in USA since 1995 did not involve Muslims (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/04/19/467384/chart-right-wing-extremism-terror-threat-oklahoma-city/?mobile=nc)
unlike you guys who will go at any lent to deny boko haram and others muslim terrorist, even though the bible never teaches us to kill and force people to convert,WE WILL NOT DENY THEM, WE WILL CONDEMN THE ACT AND PRAY THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE FOR EVERYONE.

Our foundation in christianity is jesus christ, and jesus never fought war, just incas someone quote me and say paul is the founder of christianity, paul never fought war or kill. But muhammad fought war and own's slave.
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by Kay17: 1:12pm On Sep 13, 2014
tbaba12345:

This is nonsense.

In the first 500 years of Islam, Muslims were technologically, militarily and economically the most advanced in the world – innovating many new technologies and expanding the boundaries of human knowledge.

Christianity was never the reason for the European dark ages, but rather the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of barbarian tribes is the most glaringly obvious reason. Historians are generally agreed that the last great ancient, or classical period philosopher before the fall into the dark ages was the Christian thinker St Augustine!

For most of the last 500 years, technological advancement in the West started, and has mostly occurred, under highly religious non-democratic european monarchies and empires.

The vast majority of pioneering Western scientists were not Atheists, nor did they live under Secularism, but rather they were devout Catholics and even clergy (e.g. Roger Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Copernicus, Descartes, Pascal, Boyle and even the recent George Lemaitre, discoverer of the ‘big bang theory’…) or protestant Church (e.g. Newton) – and much scientific literature and almost ALL institutes of higher education and research were under patronage by the Catholic [and later Anglican] Church!

https://www.nairaland.com/1794405/islam-muslims-side-talk-station/20#26144328



It is deceitful to paint Islam or Christianity as a single indivisible denomination. It is true that at a point, the Turks and Arabs with Islam as their religion were technologically advanced and also sophisticated in literature etc. But a liberal Islam helped promote such growth. A Islam that promotes new thoughts and ideas will definitely be prosperous and a conservative Islam closes down doors and minds.

Same with christianity, the Galileo affair was a tragedy because of the dominance of closed minds.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 3:22pm On Sep 13, 2014
RayMcBlue: Like I always say, religion is harmful, not helpful. The reason is because God is imaginary. Religious delusion is hurting all of us.
Surah At-Tur 52:35-36 -Were they created by nothing,or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay,but they have no firm Belief.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by RayMcBlue(m): 3:31pm On Sep 13, 2014
lanrexlan: Surah At-Tur 52:35-36 -Were they created by nothing,or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay,but they have no firm Belief.

What's your point?? undecided
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 3:36pm On Sep 13, 2014
malvisguy212: unlike you guys who will go at any lent to deny boko haram and others muslim terrorist, even though the bible never teaches us to kill and force people to convert,WE WILL NOT DENY THEM, WE WILL CONDEMN THE ACT AND PRAY THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE FOR EVERYONE.
Ignorantee.You won't deny them na because they are simply following the biblical God.He killed for no reason,a man of war.

Our foundation in christianity is jesus christ, and jesus never fought war, just incas someone quote me and say paul is the founder of christianity, paul never fought war or kill. But muhammad fought war and own's slave.
Swords are edible according to christians!!! Jesus told his disciples to sell their garments and buy swords.The bible says there are many things Jesus did and no space to write them down in the bible(John 21:25),fighting is one those things.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 3:38pm On Sep 13, 2014
RayMcBlue:

What's your point?? undecided
A question to what you said.
RayMcblue: The reason is because God is imaginary.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by RayMcBlue(m): 3:47pm On Sep 13, 2014
lanrexlan: A question to what you said.

Quoting a text at me from one of your holy books is tantamount to speaking to me in Russian, and I don't speak nor understand the language. Sorry pal, but you blatantly miscued.
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by tbaba12345: 4:02pm On Sep 13, 2014
RayMcBlue:

I don't need a lesson in history to know that the above is total BS. Modern Civilization having religious background doesn't necessarily make religion a concept to be revered. In fact, Religion deceives, divide, and destroys.

Let's say that you were to create a far-flung news network, and you somehow had the capacity to observe all of the inexplicable tragedy that occurs on Earth each day:

-all of the murders,
-all of the car wrecks
-all of the rapes
-all of the mutilations
-all of the torture
-all the miscarriages and stillbirths
-all of the disease
-all of the starvation
-all of the destruction
-all of the terrorism





There is a problem with this 'evil in the world' argument as It does not preclude the existence of God. Infact,It is not a logical argument. How do you define good? Without God, there is no objective basis for morality. What you have are just social conventions for what is good or bad, if society feels getting rid of jews as in Nazi Germany is good, then that is what happens.

As a muslim, i find it to be a rather ludicrous argument. The richness of the Islamic texts makes sure that that a muslim understands the world for what it is, and the reasons why things happen in the world.

i. The primary purpose of the human being is not to enjoy a transitory sense of happiness, rather to achieve a deep internal peace through knowing and worshipping God. Doing this earns you eternal bliss. Therefore other aspects of our human experience are secondary to this.

And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me (Surah 51:56)

ii. Our earthly experience is a test for the next life. God created us for a test, and part of this test is to be tested with suffering and evil. The empowering Islamic view is that tests are seen as sign of God’s love. The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ said, “When Allah loves a servant, He tests him.”

The One Who created death and life, so that He may put you to test, to find out which of you is best in deeds: He is the all-Almighty, the all-Forgiving” (Surah 67:2)

Why does God love those who He tests, because it is an avenue to achieve Divine mercy and enter the eternal bliss of paradise. God points this out clearly in the Qur’an,

“Do you suppose that you will enter the Garden without first having suffered like those before you? They were afflicted by misfortune and hardship, and they were so shaken that even [their] messenger and the believers with him cried, ‘When will God’s help arrive?’ Truly, God’s help is near.” Qur’an 2:214

The beauty of this is that God, who knows us better than we know ourselves, has already empowered us and tells us that we have what it takes to overcome these trials.

“God does not burden any soul with more than it can bear.” Qur’an 2:286

iii. Humans have free choice and the decisions they make affect themselves and others.

iv. God has knowledge of everything which is not contingent on time.. Therefore whatever your consider evil today might actually have a good purpose. Id refer you to a story in the Quran.

“And they found a servant from among Our servants to whom we had given mercy from us and had taught him from Us a [certain] knowledge. Moses said to him, “May I follow you on [the condition] that you teach me from what you have been taught of sound judgement?” He said, “Indeed, with me you will never be able to have patience. And how can you have patience for what you do not encompass in knowledge?” [Moses] said, “You will find me, if Allah wills, patient, and I will not disobey you in [any] order.” He said, “Then if you follow me, do not ask me about anything until I make to you about it mention.” So they set out, until when they had embarked on the ship, Al-Khidr tore it open. [Moses] said, “Have you torn it open to drown its people? You have certainly done a grave thing.” [Al-Khidr] said, “Did I not say that with me you would never be able to have patience?” [Moses] said, “Do not blame me for what I forgot and do not cover me in my matter with difficulty.”

So they set out, until when they met a boy, Al-Khidr killed him. [Moses] said, “Have you killed a pure soul for other than [having killed] a soul? You have certainly done a deplorable thing.” [Al-Khidr] said, “Did I not tell you that with me you would never be able to have patience?” [Moses] said, “If I should ask you about anything after this, then do not keep me as a companion. You have obtained from me an excuse.” So they set out, until when they came to the people of a town, they asked its people for food, but they refused to offer them hospitality. And they found therein a wall about to collapse, so Al-Khidr restored it. [Moses] said, “If you wished, you could have taken for it a payment.” [Al-Khidr] said, “This is parting between me and you. I will inform you of the interpretation of that about which you could not have patience. As for the ship, it belonged to poor people working at sea. So I intended to cause defect in it as there was after them a king who seized every [good] ship by force. And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief. So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy. And as for the wall, it belonged to two orphan boys in the city, and there was beneath it a treasure for them, and their father had been righteous. So your Lord intended that they reach maturity and extract their treasure, as a mercy from your Lord. And I did it not of my own accord. That is the interpretation of that about which you could not have patience.”” (Qur’an 18:65-82)


In essence God’s wisdom and knowledge is unbounded and complete, whereas we as human beings aree limited wisdom and knowledge.

The view that everything that happens is in line with a Divine wisdom is empowering and positive. This is because God’s wisdom does not contradict other aspects of His nature such as His perfection and goodness. Therefore all evil and suffering is ultimately part of a Divine good wise purpose. This evokes positive psychological responses from believers because in the end of all evil and suffering is for purpose that is wise and good. The 14th century classical scholar Ibn Taymiyya summarises this point,

“If God – exalted is He – is Creator of everything, He creates good and evil on account of the wise purpose that He has in that by virtue of which His action is good and perfect.” (Minhaj As-Sunnah 3:142/2:25)

Dealing with hardships

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

“Amazing is the affair of the believer, verily all of his affair is good and this is not for no one except the believer. If something of good/happiness befalls him he is grateful and that is good for him. If something of harm befalls him he is patient and that is good for him.” [Muslim]

“Anyone who dies of the plague is a martyr. Anyone who dies of a stomach illness is a martyr. Anyone who drowns is a martyr.” [Muslim]

“There are seven classes of martyrs except the one who is killed while fighting in the cause of God: one who dies in plague is a martyr; one who dies due to drowning is a martyr; one who is killed of Zat al-Janb disease (a disease that attacks ribs and causes inner ulcerations) is a martyr; one who dies of diseases of stomach is a martyr; one who is killed by fire is a martyr; one who is crushed under a wall is a martyr; and a woman who dies while delivery (or pregnancy) is a martyr.” [Abu Dawud ]

“No calamity befalls a Muslim but that Allah expiates some of his sins because of it, even though it were the prick he receives from a thorn.” [Bukhari]

“Surely with every difficulty there is relief. Surely with every difficulty there is relief.” [Qur’an 94:5-6]


The Muslim is intellectually convinced that these statements are from God, then it follows they are truth claims that not only comfort the Muslim, but fills his heart with tranquility.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by logicboy01: 4:25pm On Sep 13, 2014
So what?

Your terrorists are more popular than christian terrorists grin grin grin

In a christian populated country, they are always going to give islam a less than favourable treatment

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by Kay17: 4:39pm On Sep 13, 2014
@tb1234

^^

How was it possible for you to say there are no objective moral facts in the absence of an agent -- God?! The idea of objectivity is that the moral facts ought to stand on their own. If not, they lose their nature of objectivity.
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by Kay17: 4:50pm On Sep 13, 2014
@tbaba1234

Again I disagree with your view of the purpose of man. Man is reduced to a work tool with an end for servitude, whereas the worship of God is the ultimate good, is actually a product of selfishness. God's selfishness is good whilst our selflessness (as tools) is good. This in my view is a contradiction of principles.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by malvisguy212: 4:59pm On Sep 13, 2014
lanrexlan: Ignorantee.You won't deny them na because they are simply following the biblical God.He killed for no reason,a man of war.

Swords are edible according to christians!!! Jesus told his disciples to sell their garments and buy swords.The bible says there are many things Jesus did and no space to write them down in the bible(John 21:25),fighting is one those things.
A leader lead by example, if jesus wanted us to use force to win soul, he would'av kill the scribe and phaerassess for disagree with him, instead he say"love your enemy bless those that persecute you" what dos persecute mean? A warlord cannot allow his enemy to persecute him, he will fight for defence.now for someone to called himself a christian read the verse and mistook it for war against is enemy is deluded.


How can you prove, jesus fight war? Go and cut and paste, search the web, history are there for you,but history,quran and hadith say your prophet fought war.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by RayMcBlue(m): 5:49pm On Sep 13, 2014
logicboy01: So what?

Your terrorists are more popular than christian terrorists grin grin grin
grin grin

Kay17: @tb1234
^^
How was it possible for you to say there are no objective moral facts in the absence of an agent -- God?! The idea of objectivity is that the moral facts ought to stand on their own. If not, they lose their nature of objectivity.
Concurred. @tbaba1234, over to you.
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by tintingz(m): 7:09pm On Sep 13, 2014
lanrexlan: A question to what you said.
Oga, where have you been?
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by beejaay: 7:41pm On Sep 13, 2014
Tbaba and his unusual rant. So now it a case of hey we are not the only terrorist,they have amongst them too(bottomline is that u should quit denyin alqaeda, bokoharam,isis and others as nt being muslims.thanks for subtly accepting this fact).

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by beejaay: 7:53pm On Sep 13, 2014
tbaba12345:

This is nonsense.

In the first 500 years of Islam, Muslims were technologically, militarily and economically the most advanced in the world – innovating many new technologies and expanding the boundaries of human knowledge.

Christianity was never the reason for the European dark ages, but rather the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of barbarian tribes is the most glaringly obvious reason. Historians are generally agreed that the last great ancient, or classical period philosopher before the fall into the dark ages was the Christian thinker St Augustine!

For most of the last 500 years, technological advancement in the West started, and has mostly occurred, under highly religious non-democratic european monarchies and empires.

The vast majority of pioneering Western scientists were not Atheists, nor did they live under Secularism, but rather they were devout Catholics and even clergy (e.g. Roger Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Copernicus, Descartes, Pascal, Boyle and even the recent George Lemaitre, discoverer of the ‘big bang theory’…) or protestant Church (e.g. Newton) – and much scientific literature and almost ALL institutes of higher education and research were under patronage by the Catholic [and later Anglican] Church!

https://www.nairaland.com/1794405/islam-muslims-side-talk-station/20#26144328


what 500yrs are u talking about? The timeframe that witnessed the most brutal wars,slavery,territorial takeover..was it nt during that time that abbasyid dynasty,muawiyah, sa,ahabas wars was on which claims million of lives. Was it nt during that time the islamic caliphate was at war with the christains, with genhis khan and many more tribesmen.was it nt during that timeframe that aisha waged war against ali?

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 9:11pm On Sep 13, 2014
tintingz: Oga, where have you been?
Ha,my dearest brother tintingz.I have been busy with my academics.How're you doing dear brother and how's kinkingz too cheesy ?

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by Rilwayne001: 9:45pm On Sep 13, 2014
lanrexlan: Ha,my dearest brother tintingz.I have been busy with my academics.How're you doing dear brother and how's kinkingz too cheesy ?

Has he gotten kinkingz the little tintingz? grin
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 9:55pm On Sep 13, 2014
Rilwayne001:

Has he gotten kinkingz the little tintingz? grin
'Kinkingz' is brother tintingz twin brother.The brother is a twin and they are very very much identical.

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by Rilwayne001: 9:59pm On Sep 13, 2014
lanrexlan: 'Kinkingz' is brother tintingz twin brother.The brother is a twin and they are very very much identical.

Woww! thats great.

i was not aware of that before oo

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Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by tbaba12345: 10:00pm On Sep 13, 2014
beejaay: what 500yrs are u talking about? The timeframe that witnessed the most brutal wars,slavery,territorial takeover..was it nt during that time that abbasyid dynasty,muawiyah, sa,ahabas wars was on which claims million of lives. Was it nt during that time the islamic caliphate was at war with the christains, with genhis khan and many more tribesmen.was it nt during that timeframe that aisha waged war against ali?

What is the correlation??

Yes, the same period produced great scientists and scholars like Ibn al-Haytham, Al-Rahwi, Abu Jābir, Al-Biruni, Ibn Sina...etc...

Have you read the History of Baghdad and Islamic Spain? Did they not thrive in this period?
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by tbaba12345: 10:06pm On Sep 13, 2014
beejaay: Tbaba and his unusual rant. So now it a case of hey we are not the only terrorist,they have amongst them too(bottomline is that u should quit denyin alqaeda, bokoharam,isis and others as nt being muslims.thanks for subtly accepting this fact).

I have never said anyone was not muslim. I do not make those judgement. I think my point is clear from the opening post.
Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 10:10pm On Sep 13, 2014
Rilwayne001:

Woww! thats great.

i was not aware of that before oo
Check this thread.
www.nairaland.com/1582452/thread-twins-share-pics

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