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Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Omarbah: 10:10pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
reedonne: Regional level:this is exactly my point of view. If people want to have their ethnic state so bad, fine they can have it but prior to that we need to make sure we aren't invaded in the process. If we decide to do it otherwise, we will get overrun in no time. Images of hungry children from East Africa in the 1990s will be shown and they will claim it is in West Africa, they will throw numbers at their people. They will propaganda to justify their invasion and their people, ever so gullible, will believe it. Dwight D Eisenhower used the same excuse to send the CIA to RDCongo and get Lumumba assassinated along with the Belgium and the African traitors that worked with them. Nkrumah was called an African Mussolini by the Belgium secret agencies due to his Pan Africanism , we know what happened to him too. It is servants like Houphouet of Cote d'Ivoire and Mubutu of Congo that will survive. At least Houphouet worked for his people and had something to show for. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by kingston277(m): 11:32pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
Omarbah:EU/NATO isn't a state, though. It is a political organization that serves the interest of the various states of the continent that are affliated with it. I don't understand how you can confuse the two. Europe is just fine as it is with the EU it does not need a conferderation to destroy any remnants of Ethnic exclusive cultures and stability. A hand full of peripheral politicians aren't going to make that federation happen. Omarbah: And what do you propose meanwhile, that Africans, with ECOWAS economy not being the size of France to just remain in their ethnic states because it is more cohesive. Those would be overrun in no time. No African ethnic state can compete globally. Name me one if you can. The time it would take to name the number of mono-ethnic nations would be time consuming, I'm sure you've heard of the success of Botswana as well as other world wide mono-ethnic nations. Face it, a mono-ethnic country is the safest route. Omarbah: And why couldn't foreign forces invade us when we had our multiethnic empires/states?Did foreign forces invade our single-ethnic states, then? And please read what happened to Songhai and Bornu as well. Multiethnic can only work with cohesion, that didn't last long enough for those two kingdoms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songhai_Empire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bornu_Empire#Decline_and_Fall Omarbah: Seriously though, every ethnic group will be diluted to such an extend that it would be foolish for a politician to play on those lines. Just like how during the independence movement, the Rassemblement Democratique Africain had no tribalism in it. Everybody was "African" that's it. You couldn't talk ethnicity because you had no incentive to do so. What defined the leaders was their ideas, their sense of leadership and devotion to the African cause.Great. But that still doesn't address what happened to the said empires above. Omarbah: Between Africans selling millions and few Arabs and Europeans being caught in the trade is different my friend. No matter how you look at it, Africans lost this trade. Instead of using that labor to grow our economy. Well the others did that with the people they took from Africa.Where did you get the information to generalize that most states didn't place restrictions on the slave trading? And grow our economy? Why do you think states like Benin place restrictions in the first place? You think they were satisfied with letting their production levels fall because of whiteman? And nobodys sure weather there was any damage caused by the trade to begin with: Both Thornton and Fage contend that while African political elite may have ultimately benefited from the slave trade, their decision to participate may have been influenced more by what they could lose by not participating. In Fage's article "Slavery and the Slave Trade in the Context of West African History," he notes that for West Africans "... there were really few effective means of mobilizing labour for the economic and political needs of the state" without the slave trade.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade#Effect_on_the_economy_of_West_Africa And... If one were to read more works by Fage, Thornton, and Rodney (mentioned by another author of this page in the same section) he would learn that their focus is not to place blame on African elites for Europeans taking their fellow citizens away, but rather to illuminate the pressures and benefits that would have convinced a leader to join or rejoin the slave trade.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Atlantic_slave_trade#Effect_on_the_economy_of_Africa |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by pleep(m): 12:00am On Oct 01, 2014 |
reedonne:Your message is irellevant. Igbo, yoruba and and hausa can be classified into subgroups. Do u know how many millions of groups there would be if you divided africa like that? The reason china is powerful is because, despite having many subgroups, they are united into one language and one culture and all see themselves as hans chinese. Nigeria, on the other hand, has groups that speak different languages and have different cultures |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Omarbah: 12:52am On Oct 01, 2014 |
kingston277:Did you forget the part where I mentioned how Nigel Farage is opposed to the EU because he believes its true goal is a federal Europe? For now the EU is an organization but make no mistake, its goal is in building a continental state. kingston277:Bostwana isn't a monoethnic state. Thank you for bringing them up by the way, they are a good example of how a political system that ensure participation by everyone can built a cohesive society. Here is an extract from wikipedia. "The advisory House of Chiefs represents the eight principal subgroups of the Botswana people, and four other members are elected by the subchiefs of four of the districts. A draft of any National Assembly bill of tribal concern must be referred to the House of Chiefs for advisory opinion. Chiefs and other leaders preside over customary, traditional courts, though all persons have the right to request that their case be considered under the formal British-based legal system." kingston277:I have addressed the issue of the decline of these empires, particularly the Songhai empire. It did decline because the central authority at some point was unable to destroy trouble makers and it ended up in civil war. Deploying troops faster was a hassle we do not have now.Even the Moroccans that destroyed the empires couldn't rule such a vast state. It eventually split into dozens of kingdoms that were all weak and that's when things started getting really bad for Africans. But did you read the Economy part? How beautiful was that. Even in monoethnic kingdoms there will still be conflicts, the Sokoto Caliphate exploited the differences among the Yoruba didn't it? Once you turn down to ethnic state then, tribes or clans become the new thing. Somalis are one ethnic group, look at their state? My point: what is most important is a political system that allows everyone to participate. kingston277: And earlier you said this... kingston277: Walter Rodney would disagree with the Historians to quoted. I would like to clarify a one thing. Condemning slavery is not intended to make Africans guilty. After all the vast majority of Africans were not involved in the trade, and there were some opposed to it. Going back to Rodney, here is quote from his book "How Europe Underdeveloped Africa" Walter Rodney: Basically here is what he is saying in this part of the book. Instead of gold mining, part of the African elite turned to slave trading because it was more profitable for them. The Europeans gave them in exchange "guns, ammunition, cloth, cooking utensils and alcoholic beverages". Not withstanding the fact that this cheap junk competed with the local economy, but also that African elite that willingly participated in the trade did not foresee the long term consequence for their economy. Here is another quote from Rodney that corroborates what I stated earlier. The small states were just too weak to ensure stability just like how Liberia and Sierra Leone are unable to do it today. An epidemic is threatening the existence of Liberia. Break Liberia into Kru, Khran, Mandingo states and you'll have nothing, maybe states the size of a neighborhood of Lagos. Walter Rodney: |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by reedonne: 12:53am On Oct 01, 2014 |
pleep: |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by reedonne: 12:54am On Oct 01, 2014 |
pleep:No they are united by the powerful communist party. Whenever we are competeting with each other we will always find a new division line. I have giving you an example: Osun state governorship election. Osun is a yoruba state with 100% of its population being yoruba. During our election, a candidate who is an ijesha yoruba won in ijesha towns while another candidate who is an Ife yoruba won in ife towns. What do you call this. FYI I am a yoruba and I dont understand the language of some yoruba sub-group eg ikare. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Omarbah: 1:06am On Oct 01, 2014 |
"Protect religion, Kill the Han and destroy the Hui", that is an Uyghur proverb. 50 people died 4 days in Xinjiang region of China. Let's not forget the tensions between the Manchus and the Hans and the Tibetan conflict. The difference is, the Chinese leadership is progressive enough to rid itself of those minor differences and lead the populace whereas in Africa, politicians are the ones playing on them the most. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Nobody: 1:46am On Oct 01, 2014 |
pleep: Reading through the long drawn out debate between kingston and omarbah it is clear that kingston has a better grasp of the situation. Omarbah your viewpoints are very unrealistic overly idealistic. Not gonna lie...that map literally grosses me out lol. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by pleep(m): 2:50am On Oct 01, 2014 |
chulla12:Agreed my brother, same here. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by pleep(m): 3:40am On Oct 01, 2014 |
reedonne:You guys keep finding ways to miss the point. China is 91% Hans chineses... its not the communist party that keeps them united. They were united 2000 years ago nigga! What would it matter if the ife voted for the ife candidate when the ijesha made up 91% of the population? It is the natural flow of progress, the strong ethnic groups consume the weak ones, and either the weak join them, or end up marginalized and oppressed like the Uygers and Tibetans. Watch how the hans chinese unify their nation for the first time in 500 B.C
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Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by pleep(m): 3:45am On Oct 01, 2014 |
Watch how the kingdom of Sardina consolidates italy into a single race and a single nationally with a common language. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Italian-unification.gif |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by pleep(m): 3:48am On Oct 01, 2014 |
This is the same thing that happened in Germany, England, the Arab states, Japan etc etc etc. This natural process was Halted in africa because of colonization and artificial borders. and as a result we are left with thousands of pointless states and ethnic groups instead of strong unified nations. Its a bad situation, but the best solution would be to abolish these artificial borders and let natural ethnic states form again. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Nobody: 4:41am On Oct 01, 2014 |
pleep: Agreed my brother, same here. Coastal West Africa seems to have the most ethnic diversity out of all the regions. Seriously, eek at this map! On the other end, the Sahelian/Maghreb region seem to have more consolidated ethnic affiliations. Something to do with the wave of Islamic Jihads over the region in past centuries? Or is this just as a result of a sparse population of people over a desert-type land-mass? I also see that the North African groups become more splintered as we go further up north...towards the Mediterranean. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by reedonne: 6:21am On Oct 01, 2014 |
pleep: You guys keep finding ways to miss the point. China is 91% Hans chineses... its not the communist party that keeps them united. They were united 2000 years ago nigga!I dont think you understand my point. Both Ife and Ijesha population is less than 30% of our total population. It is not that we are not united, the fact is that our politicians are exploiting our sub-class for political game. But in china, the people does not have power to elect their ruler, so they cannot exploit it. I have also gave somalia as a example. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by reedonne: 6:25am On Oct 01, 2014 |
chulla12:And western africa is more stable than east and central africa. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by reedonne: 6:28am On Oct 01, 2014 |
pleep: This is the same thing that happened in Germany, England, the Arab states, Japan etc etc etc. This natural process was Halted in africa because of colonization and artificial borders. Every nation and ethnic group as it is today was formed by war #fact Many mono ethnic state have experienced civil war eg oyo empire #fact Modern world does not allow war, even if we want to start one, UN, east and west will get involved #fact. I have always believe that the AU should have rebuilt our borders instead of living with it, but it is too late now. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by pleep(m): 4:08pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
reedonne: Well i certainly agree with you if you are saying that the democratic system of government is not effective for Africa. But we have tried totalitarianism and it didn't work either. You want a strong government? Well Congo, Equatorial Guinea, swaziland and many other countries have had the opportunity to create progressive totalitarian governments but they failed. Because of the human element and because of excessive ethnic diversity. Will the igbo support a dictator who is fulani? Will the hausa support a yoruba dictator? no. The reason chinese communism was so successful is because the country is 91% the same ethnicity and were already unified. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by reedonne: 5:04pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
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Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by reedonne: 5:11pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
pleep:What is the different between a fulani runned Nigeria and a Nigeria conquered by fulani through war. When there is totalitarian regime, division is discouraged. But a politician seeking an office will use division as a weapon. Instead we should adopt a parliamentary system. An igbo contest against an Igbo, a fulani contest against a fulani, there will be little source of division. Only 2 african country are being run by parliamentary system and they are mauritius and boswana. You can compare them with other african states. PS: Dont tell me ethiopia is a democratic state talkless of a parliamentary goverment runned state. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by kingston277(m): 8:00pm On Oct 03, 2014 |
Omarbah:Evidence? All it does is unite Europe economically and politically, not physically. Omarbah: Bostwana isn't a monoethnic state. Thank you for bringing them up by the way, they are a good example of how a political system that ensure participation by everyone can built a cohesive society. Here is an extract from wikipedia.Those are tribes/clans, not ethnic groups. There close knit before colonialism and operated in a similar society they have today. Omarbah: I have addressed the issue of the decline of these empires, particularly the Songhai empire. It did decline because the central authority at some point was unable to destroy trouble makers and it ended up in civil war. Deploying troops faster was a hassle we do not have now.Even the Moroccans that destroyed the empires couldn't rule such a vast state. It eventually split into dozens of kingdoms that were all weak and that's when things started getting really bad for Africans.One state does not affect a whole continent. Maybe they(former Songhai) became poorer as a result, but the rest of the continent continued to thrive. Omarbah: But did you read the Economy part? How beautiful was that.Yes. As every other kingdom was. Omarbah: Even in monoethnic kingdoms there will still be conflicts, the Sokoto Caliphate exploited the differences among the Yoruba didn't it? Once you turn down to ethnic state then, tribes or clans become the new thing. Somalis are one ethnic group, look at their state?It is much more difficult to divide an ethnic group than it is to divide a vast multi-ethnic kingdom. Especially if the non-diminant tribe was conquered. Omarbah: My point: what is most important is a political system that allows everyone to participate. You mean the parliamentary/council system used in many kingdoms at the time? Omarbah: And earlier you said this...I don't know how those points conflict. Please elaborate? Dahomey kingdom The domestic economy was largely focused on agriculture and crafts produced for local consumption. Until the development of palm oil, very little agricultural or craft goods were traded outside of the kingdom. Markets served a key role in the kingdom and were organized around a rotating cycle of four days with a different market each day (the market type for the day was religiously sanctioned).[10] Agriculture work was largely decentralized and done by most families. However, with the expansion of the kingdom and the importance of the slave trade, agricultural plantations begun to be a common agricultural method in the kingdom. Craft work was largely dominated by a formal guild system.[14]That doesn't sound like a bad economy to me. Songhai sounds less productive. Omarbah: Walter Rodney would disagree with the Historians to quoted. I would like to clarify a one thing. Condemning slavery is not intended to make Africans guilty. After all the vast majority of Africans were not involved in the trade, and there were some opposed to it.If that was true, then why did they do this... Benin profited from its close ties with the Portuguese and exploited the firearms bought from them to tighten its hold on the lower Niger area. Two factors checked the spread of Portuguese influence and the continued expansion of Benin, however. First, Portugal stopped buying pepper because of the availability of other spices in the Indian Ocean region. Second, Benin placed an embargo on the export of slaves, thereby isolating itself from the growth of what was to become the major export from the Nigerian coast for 300 years. Benin continued to capture slaves and to employ them in its domestic economy, but the Edo state remained unique among Nigerian polities in refusing to participate in the transatlantic trade. In the long run, Benin remained relatively isolated from the major changes along the Nigerian coast.And... While the slave trade did destroy many societies in the near-coastal areas, furtherIf they enjoyed profit from the slave trade, why did they restrict slave trading and establish more domestic plantations for local production? There are even articles explicitly stating that African kingdoms noticed depopulation and economy issues, and traded slaves between each other to compensate. I will provide it when I find it again. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Omarbah: 3:15am On Oct 04, 2014 |
kingston277:Here is a speech of Margaret Thatcher about the EU. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVt_1ByddUQ. At 1:30 she says the President of the EU commission made a statement at a press conference that he wanted the EU parliament to be the democratic body of the community and the commission to be the executive bod and the council of ministers to be the senate. There you have it, that's the goal of the EU. And by "physically' what do you mean? Isn't economical and political union a physical one? The EU will become a Confederation and it will have a stronger government body at the top, once all of the major differences between Europeans are sorted out. kingston277:who said they were ethnic groups? Somalia is one ethnic group and even better, one religion but with their clans, look at what is happening. Didn't the Yoruba kingdom face a rebellion that was exploited by Sokoto and yet it was tribes fighting each other. What makes Botswana stable is not their ethnic or tribal makeup but their political system which ensures participation of every tribe regardless of the size. How much direct participation do the kings, obas, emirs of Nigeria have in the policies of the country? kingston277: and finally this one kingston277:What did I claim all along? slavery destroyed these societies. They could not stop the trade because they did not have the resources to do so. A small elite in their states did profit from the trade for sure, it was organized banditry. Benin stopped the trade because it could. In these last quotes, you have stated how they restricted the sell of slaves, how slavery was a treat to their economies. They had to block it to increase production/maintain high production, however you want to put it. Now going back to the issue here, let's suppose you want to go back on ethnic lines. How many of these states will be able to sustain themselves? That's one. Two, even the large ones cannot compete in the current global system. It seems like you want to draw me into debate by comparing the Songhai and Benin. You've been trying to make this about religion or Sahel vs "Forest" kingdom thing. That's not what the tread is about. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by pleep(m): 4:24pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Omarbah: Botswana is 79% of the Tswana ethnic group. This is one of the best example of the progressive nature of single ethnic states/states that are dominated by a single ethnic group. As for Somalia, without foreign influence, they would have consolidated by now. A leader would have led his clan in the conquest of all the other ones, but because of outside factors and the changing nature of warfare this is not happening. In modern times Somalia civil war looks silly but when you compare it the history of any other large ethnic group, the Germans, Chinese, Italians it was the exact same situation until one faction conquered the others through war and consolidated the nation. The only difference is that Africa was forced to endure her growing pains now, while other nations did it 100+ years ago. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Omarbah: 12:34am On Oct 07, 2014 |
pleep:Despite their dominance, all of the other tribes are represented in the House of Chiefs. Syria is 75% Sunnis and yet there is war in the country because the small minority does not want to give up power. Again, the political system is what matters the most. Nobody expects union by conquest to happen now days. Things have changed. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by kingston277(m): 5:59pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Omarbah: From Wikipedia Opposition[edit]Going by what you said, the EU must not include "members", or "Eurosceptics", that oppose the unification of Europe at all, so who are these "Eurosceptics"? Its a little blunt to assume every member of the EU wants to unite. Omarbah:Somalia is not united and has virtually no government. Its also easy to make knitting-club members fight too, but that doesn't mean they should submit themselves to other clubs. Omarbah:You mean the kind of political system the kingdoms used to ensure cohesiveness? Omarbah:Thanks to the anti-African structure of Nigeria, even pagans are complaining they don't have much say in governmental policies. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Omarbah: 1:58am On Oct 18, 2014 |
Nobody denies the fact that there are many Europeans, politicians and people alike that hate the EU and I have made note of those differences. But that still doesn't prevent those wanting a stronger Europe to push forward. They have a lot issues to deal with. But the goal of the EU commission is to built a strong union(confederation) to protect their interests . Now my point is ,if Europeans despite their strengths are moving in that direction (bumpy ride) why us Africans, at least West Africans aren't when Ecowas economy does not match that of France alone. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by kingston277(m): 2:35am On Oct 20, 2014 |
Omarbah:My source states some of the opposition to a unified Europe are members of the EU, so how can the EU collectively push for a unified Europe if they are not in agreement internally? ECOWAS should have no other job than to provide what the EU is currently providing Europe currently. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Omarbah: 7:01pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
kingston277:My last comments have addressed that opposition. I even posted a video of Maggy attacking the EU commission. So I do acknowledge the opposition. But what you seem to ignore is the desire for those running the organization to make it stronger and that's what I am focusing on. Beyond the economic and political zone(one market , one diplomacy) we should also have one military, at least one Navy and a regional police/paramilitary force to deal with groups such as Boko Haram that operate on multiple countries. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by AmunRaOlodumare: 2:07am On Oct 28, 2014 |
Omarbah:What you're talking about already exist for the African Union it's called the African Stand-by Force (ASF). It's supposed to be fully operational by the of end-2015 but will probably be delayed. From my own observation, for this ASF to be an effective and a rapidly deployed peacekeeping force in time of emergency, it has to be properly funded so that all the military equipments and personal are instantly ready for action. With enough funding coming from member countries, all the air force, equipments and personal will be ready instantly after the decision by the AU to intervene rapidly in an urgent security matter. Here's a recent news article that I just quickly googled about it (I didn't read it completely yet, since I already know about the African Stand-by Force). http://www.isn.ethz.ch/Digital-Library/Articles/Detail/?id=184350 The article, which I read after writing the above like me also mentions the need for proper funding from AU member states so it is efficient and independent. The panel also recommended that the AU gives special attention to the financing of its peace support operations. The most significant constraint on AU peace operations, and its ability to respond rapidly to unfolding crises, is the inability of the AU member states to fund their own operations. The AU cannot make its own independent decisions regarding the mandate, scope, size and duration of its peace operations, as long as it is dependent on external partners to cover the cost of its peace operations. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Omarbah: 2:16pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
AmunRaOlodumare:I know about this force, actually a Guinean General is heading it. But not to sound pessimistic, counting a member states to fund this force is futile. It will be kept weak so that the range of action of the AU is diminished. As long as the AU or ECOWAS keeps counting on contribution from member states, we won't have real progress with them. They will remain empty shells. Look at the EBOLA crisis, the US has to send troops to Liberia to end the crisis, who knows why they are actually there but at this point speaking against it will just make one look stupid. I fully support this task force but as far as funding , the AU should be creative enough to find her own and not just count on member states. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by AmunRaOlodumare: 6:27pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Omarbah:That's ridiculous, your "proposition" leads to nothing but the status quo. If you lean on "creative funding", whatever that means, nothing will be done either. Funding from the African Union member states is the only way to fund the ASF and any African Union projects. That much is obvious. This is where the "creativity" must show. Maybe create a 0.5% export or import taxes, or a 5% travel taxes on plane tickets to fund the ASF. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by Omarbah: 7:19pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
AmunRaOlodumare:Where did I use "creative funding" in my comment? I said " the AU should be creative enough to find her own". Whether it is through taxes, special economic zones, financing interstate railroads/highways and then collect tolls or whatever other means but not count on the states. The status quo is doing what we are right now, count on the member states for the union to progress. It will never happen. |
Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by AmunRaOlodumare: 7:34pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Omarbah:Ok, I think we are saying the same thing. What you say above is part of what I consider "states" because a state must approve a highway collect tolls for example. Taxes, economic zones, collect tolls are indeed good ways to do it. |
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