pesty100: I was raised(still raised) in a christian home, my dad was once a pastor in deeper life but he backslided ever since then he has refused going to church, but that didn't stop my mum from going to and taking me church, as a young child I was really curious, I loved to ask question evn if I couldn't ask my elders I asked myself, my skepticism started when I read the creation story(Genesis) and I asked my self " how did cain find his wife " the I started to ask myself about hell-fire people do say when we die we become more enlightened and aware of the truth. And also we re able to control ourselves and not sin anymore... I now asked myself why would God punish us when we were more enlightened for what we did when we were less enlightened... When people try to preach to me and I ask them this question they will tell me not to question what is written in the bible or God... Though I was still going to church with my mum, and we went to diFferent churchs there was one thing I noted... In the church I was attending there is a tithe call "MY PRAYER IS ANSWERED TITHE" I was forced to ask myself what the f*ck is this... Then to seal it all when I entered the university I started to meet people who actually thinked and thinks like I do... And also when I went to the philosophy section of our library and read about Descartes ... I now asked my self what if I had been lied to since the day I was born... Anyways am still a rational skeptic and my life has been better ever since.

Please feel free to also share with me and us how you became what you are.

jdilight:

Your not alone except that mine mum did not give up on me until I met God for real who have answered most of my questions and still answering more. The problem of Christianity is there are two many claimers. Before I was able to believe a man can really conquer sin and live right, God had to show me the origin of sin and how we can to be part of it.

What if you have not been lied to?

Every thought must have an origin and when your origin is wrong, your conclusion must be wrong.

The next question

Who do you believe, God or satan?

edogho: y dis question? d op is searching for truth. i'm a christian and if not for countless of prophesies that aligned with historical evidences, i would've thought exactly like d op. prophesies like that in isaiah and jeremiah and many more. prophet habakkuk and job questioned God and God didn't kill him for that instead he answered d questions. whenever i'm in doubt because of some things i remember d prophesies n i'm fine again

jbird1: I tried to get a better understanding of God and I realized that the way he is described in the bible is incoherent. Incidentally, I've never been much of a spiritual person so after I distanced myself from church and the bible it wasn't long before I started to wonder what I needed God for. With the current set up of the world its quite a step to just do away with God. I tried not to, but when I realized that God was not needed to be a good person, I stopped assuming that there is any God known to me. It just hit me one day that an objective morality would exist irrespective of God, since if it's existence depended on God, it would be subjective (defined by God) and then it would not be much different from the one I define. The only difference would be that a much more powerful being defined it.

So if there is a God, I would love to hear from him/her/it/them but until then I would say I'm something of a materialist. That might even be an overstatement.

jdilight:

Can you hear someone your not close to? Most of us are in the middle, we don't hear from devil and we don't hear from God. A native doctor who doesn't hear from satan is fake so is a christian who doesn't hear from God. But it becomes adsorb for a native doctor to hear from God and vise a vie.

jdilight:

If you read what I wrote, you will not be asking. Is good to understand before you ask? I said every thought has origin (thinker). You don't expect a man who give 10 hours of his time watching porn to think something that is not sex oriented (for explanation purposes). So who will this porn addict believe? his thought (the porn) or what.

Until we know that all we are is a product of all the information we have gathered since we were born till now, we will never know how to be truly free.

jbird1:

I didn't hear from him when I was a christian.

jbird1: I tried to get a better understanding of God and I realized that the way he is described in the bible is incoherent. Incidentally, I've never been much of a spiritual person so after I distanced myself from church and the bible it wasn't long before I started to wonder what I needed God for. With the current set up of the world its quite a step to just do away with God. I tried not to, but when I realized that God was not needed to be a good person, I stopped assuming that there is any God known to me. It just hit me one day that an objective morality would exist irrespective of God, since if it's existence depended on God, it would be subjective (defined by God) and then it would not be much different from the one I define. The only difference would be that a much more powerful being defined it.

So if there is a God, I would love to hear from him/her/it/them but until then I would say I'm something of a materialist. That might even be an overstatement.

jdilight:

Your not alone except that mine mum did not give up on me until I met God for real who have answered most of my questions and still answering more. The problem of Christianity is there are two many claimers. Before I was able to believe a man can really conquer sin and live right, God had to show me the origin of sin and how we can to be part of it.

What if you have not been lied to?

Every thought must have an origin and when your origin is wrong, your conclusion must be wrong.

The next question

Who do you believe, God or satan?

jdilight:

Can you hear someone your not close to? Most of us are in the middle, we don't hear from devil and we don't hear from God. A native doctor who doesn't hear from satan is fake so is a christian who doesn't hear from God. But it becomes adsorb for a native doctor to hear from God and vise a vie.

jdilight:

Were you truly a christian or did you claim to be a christian? Before you can hear from spirits you must pass through a physical medium. Most spiritualist will give you something to study. For us, our own medium is the word of God. Some have claim to follow the spiritualist guidelines but did not hear from the spirits while others did. The same is true of Christians.

God said you will find Him when you seek (not look for Him, but seek) Him with all your heart.

Those days when mine mum use to tell me God said this or that, I use to wonder how can God talk to men. I pitied them, but now people pity me.

pesty100: I would like you to read about descrates... And also u claim God has shown you the origin of sin, why didn't u ask him why there is something instead of nothing

jbird1: I tried to get a better understanding of God and I realized that the way he is described in the bible is incoherent. Incidentally, I've never been much of a spiritual person so after I distanced myself from church and the bible it wasn't long before I started to wonder what I needed God for. With the current set up of the world its quite a step to just do away with God. I tried not to, but when I realized that God was not needed to be a good person, I stopped assuming that there is any God known to me. It just hit me one day that an objective morality would exist irrespective of God, since if it's existence depended on God, it would be subjective (defined by God) and then it would not be much different from the one I define. The only difference would be that a much more powerful being defined it.

So if there is a God, I would love to hear from him/her/it/them but until then I would say I'm something of a materialist. That might even be an overstatement.

Pr0ton:

And what about the case of Saul going to Damascus?

jdilight:


Every thought must have an origin and when your origin is wrong, your conclusion must be wrong.

jdilight:

If you read what I wrote, you will not be asking. Is good to understand before you ask? I said every thought has origin (thinker). You don't expect a man who give 10 hours of his time watching porn to think something that is not sex oriented (for explanation purposes). So who will this porn addict believe? his thought (the porn) or what.

Until we know that all we are is a product of all the information we have gathered since we were born till now, we will never know how to be truly free.

pesty100: are u saying being a skeptic is wrong... The origin of my skepticism is in the bible itself... Are u saying the bible is wrong?

pesty100: all the information we have gathered is not only a product of information WE have gathered but also the ones our ancestors have gathered and passed to us

jdilight:

Can you hear someone your not close to? Most of us are in the middle, we don't hear from devil and we don't hear from God. A native doctor who doesn't hear from satan is fake so is a christian who doesn't hear from God. But it becomes adsorb for a native doctor to hear from God and vise a vie.

jdilight:

Were you truly a christian or did you claim to be a christian? Before you can hear from spirits you must pass through a physical medium. Most spiritualist will give you something to study. For us, our own medium is the word of God. Some have claim to follow the spiritualist guidelines but did not hear from the spirits while others did. The same is true of Christians.

God said you will find Him when you seek (not look for Him, but seek) Him with all your heart.

Those days when mine mum use to tell me God said this or that, I use to wonder how can God talk to men. I pitied them, but now people pity me.

edogho: now, i don't need to understand anything, i just know d op was trying to let us into y he thinks he's skeptical and now rational(something i doubt looking at his words)

pesty100: you re saying we can't hear from someone we aren't close to(true) but how do u explain sinner who God has talked to

jdilight:

This is very wrong, nothing like this happens to anyone who comes into this world.

jdilight:

When I made up my mind, I did it like a student who desired to graduate one day. My face is set as a knife edge, it is either I graduate a prof. nothing. I take no pleasure in being in the middle or moving left and right. Having found the path, opinion of men are nothing. Besides, I had mine before now.

jbird1:

I hope I was. I was catholic, I was baptized, received communion, and was confirmed. I can still recite the rosary by heart. I used to serve mass. I didn't hear from God.

I don't know which God exists, if any at all. To seek any one with my all heart would mean accepting his existence beforehand, and then there would be no need to seek further, would there?

Macelliot:

look at how you ranting... You are judging things physically. You lacks spirituality... The Forces of Lightness and that of darkners are waging war in Spirit(spiritual world).
The forces of darkness are trying their possible strenght to make sure "d existence of a Creator(God) sounds irritating and an illussion to Humans."
D first human to declared himself "an atheist" was sent from the Underworld. Who took form in human flesh...
The Soul of A man is so valuble that you pay d price for ur deeds!
The body is from d dust, and to dust shall it return, but the SOUL OF A MAN is so precious that satan buys it from men inform of illuminanti and other satanic sects in exchange for wealth and fame which benefits only the FLESH.
To Him, Oh God who created life belongs thy Glory now and forever. Amen.
Think twice my Brother...
I am not better than you, but my advice I give you.
Peace, I leave you!!!

jdilight:

Yes, a skeptic is unstable and my bible said he will not receive anything good of God. Let me reveal you a secret. I began to hear God when I began to obey him totally.

jdilight:

The things you mentioned are religious rituals, there are not what makes you hear God.

Did anyone around you claimed to have heard from or is hearing from God?

jdilight:

Check out the explanation a gave about Paul. That one is a sinner doesn't mean he is not seeking God. Look Moses, do you think the time God met him was the first time he was leading his sheep to that part of the forest? no. We don't find God as saints, we seek him as sinners, find him as sinner but walk with him as saints.

Macelliot:

look at how you ranting... You are judging things physically. You lacks spirituality... The Forces of Lightness and that of darkners are waging war in Spirit(spiritual world).
The forces of darkness are trying their possible strenght to make sure "d existence of a Creator(God) sounds irritating and an illussion to Humans."
D first human to declared himself "an atheist" was sent from the Underworld. Who took form in human flesh...
The Soul of A man is so valuble that you pay d price for ur deeds!
The body is from d dust, and to dust shall it return, but the SOUL OF A MAN is so precious that satan buys it from men inform of illuminanti and other satanic sects in exchange for wealth and fame which benefits only the FLESH.
To Him, Oh God who created life belongs thy Glory now and forever. Amen.
Think twice my Brother...
I am not better than you, but my advice I give you.
Peace, I leave you!!!