prindu: Make no mistake abt it NMA is not JOHESU! They called doctors names just because doctors were fighting for d betterment of d enter health system and demanded an increase in Hazard allowee...

I thought johesu have d patients/masses at heart? Now who is going to be called heartless?

All demands here are for johesu and its members... which one concerns the patient? Compare with NMA demands.

Anyway, we don't really need them in d hospital, let them not just lock up govt equipment and tools as they use to...they can go with their empty heads.

But if they lock up things and go, doctors will also not work o because d masses no like us and we won't kill ourselves for anybody henceforth.

SHALOM !!!

U did not see d part dat has to do wit residency or u choose not to see it? Or don't u tink residency will improve d knowledge base of d professional dereby improving patient care?

mictima: the government brought this over their head! how will a country's health sector be run without a bill? I just see this as a never-ending professional war because if the government answers johesu, nma will come up with another set of demands!
but johesu shud understand that they are not doctors, fine, everyone in the field has a crucial role but still, they cant all be treated equally... #just saying#

JOHESU is not asking for equal treatment, it is asking for fair treatment. only those in the health sector ll understand the injustice within

oga jonah, pls answer them oooooo. civil servants still form the core of voters in naija, so treat civil servants well oooo...a word is enough for the wise.

Chinaimporter: [b]The solution to all this conflict is to sensitize nigerians to know the following
1) That nursing is a two year non degree program that contains just element of patient management and almost nothing at all on general studies or other facets of education that other nigerian graduates pass through during their education to gain a full and rounded education and be called university graduates so nursing is effectively a technical training program that evolved into a gorgon medusa in nigeria except for those with BN in nursing.so they are not excpected to act like educated people since most of them are not, hence their thuggish attitude in hospital

2) Pharmacists are a group of well educated people that are trained to work mostly in drug factories(80% work there in other countries) producing it for consumption of the populace with few working in hospital setting and not trying to exceed their limits but in nigeria,a pharmacist that did not see a patient or learn patient management in school want to now become a full fledge doctor and run hospitals.

3) Medical lab science was not even a degree course in this country before now but just a technical certficate gotten in one location in jos after two years of studies but now some are degree holders and now want to wear the same boot as doctors.

4) The pharmacist only job in the hospital is to dispense drugs which anybody even a boko haram member can do effectively with just 3 hours of training hence there unfounded need for undue recognition is even more alarming( ok una go school well well but nobody need una for hospital sorriooo.i de pity una shaaa)

5)That most people in this profession of pharmacy wanted to be doctors but after failing there jamb successively, the opted for pharmacy and developed undue inferiority complex that translated to hate for doctors that is playing out in our health sector

6)That every doctor knows how to do the jobs that this people does but just would not stoop so low as to do so since their have a massive physical and intellectual job they do all the time (it is like the house boy and the oga of the house, if the houseboy is not around,the oga will suffer to iron his cloths and wash his car himself so he will actually work harder but that doesn't make the houseboy the boss at all.

7)[size=18pt]Finally, do any nigerian want to handover their life or that of their children to a hospital being run by nurses or pharmacist?[/size] [/b]

My man how far wit ur importation of fake(chinco) ebola test kit and expired hand sanitisers? I hear say dem catch some of ur boys 4 lagos d other day, how u manage escape? Only u na bad guys oh!

hybridtm: Looking at dis demands...dis rats, would have d guts to call doctors insensitive

they rats?
That makes u doctors mice i guess.
All rodents
@ least they were available during the ebola scare, u weren't! So forgive me if i sympathise with them and not you.

Jayloy: Always comparing themselves with doctors when even God himself knows that they are not equal and any attempt to make them so will be catastrophic.
There's nothing wrong with other health professionals wanting to be like doctors but when they want our authority, we show them their place.

authority?
what authority?

I thought your calling was to help save lives?

So, u actually mean to tell me that your calling is to wear the name tag "doctor" and prance around like a peacock lording over other health practicioners?

hmmm, that's a pity, i guess we Nigerians are screwed.

hybridtm:
Let all shut d health sector down.and go back to our private hospitals and after 3months, we will see who really nid who....n

exactly bro, let's go back to our private hospitals and see who is who....

Chinaimporter: [b]The solution to all this conflict is to sensitize nigerians to know the following
1) That nursing is a two year non degree program that contains just element of patient management and almost nothing at all on general studies or other facets of education that other nigerian graduates pass through during their education to gain a full and rounded education and be called university graduates so nursing is effectively a technical training program that evolved into a gorgon medusa in nigeria except for those with BN in nursing.so they are not excpected to act like educated people since most of them are not, hence their thuggish attitude in hospital

2) Pharmacists are a group of well educated people that are trained to work mostly in drug factories(80% work there in other countries) producing it for consumption of the populace with few working in hospital setting and not trying to exceed their limits but in nigeria,a pharmacist that did not see a patient or learn patient management in school want to now become a full fledge doctor and run hospitals.

3) Medical lab science was not even a degree course in this country before now but just a technical certficate gotten in one location in jos after two years of studies but now some are degree holders and now want to wear the same boot as doctors.

4) The pharmacist only job in the hospital is to dispense drugs which anybody even a boko haram member can do effectively with just 3 hours of training hence there unfounded need for undue recognition is even more alarming( ok una go school well well but nobody need una for hospital sorriooo.i de pity una shaaa)

5)That most people in this profession of pharmacy wanted to be doctors but after failing there jamb successively, the opted for pharmacy and developed undue inferiority complex that translated to hate for doctors that is playing out in our health sector

6)That every doctor knows how to do the jobs that this people does but just would not stoop so low as to do so since their have a massive physical and intellectual job they do all the time (it is like the house boy and the oga of the house, if the houseboy is not around,the oga will suffer to iron his cloths and wash his car himself so he will actually work harder but that doesn't make the houseboy the boss at all.

7)[size=18pt]Finally, do any nigerian want to handover their life or that of their children to a hospital being run by nurses or pharmacist?[/size] [/b]

all i see above are rants, rants and more rants, honestly, it get's boring eventually .

Why must it be JOHESU vs NMA?
Doesn't JOHESU have the right to demand for better packages for its members? why must d NMA interprete it as a pissing competition to see who has the longest dick, does an improvement in JOHESU's terms and packages adversly affect or reduces NMA's own? Unless, JOHESU is right about terms for both parties being disproportionately unequal of course.

Stuffyj: Now Nigerians will know d selfish and heartless grp btw JOHESU and NMA. Almost all their demands is centered on one allowance or the other. Nothing to show for patients who r d major reason why they work in d hospital. I think "health bill" should be passed as soon as possible and everything should be resolved at once. Serial strike actions won't do us any good because people r really suffering.

and the NMA were so unselfish. As we noticed during the ebola pandemic. The NMA care so much for patients . . . . . . . . right?

if it were doctor's calling for strike this thread will have reached page 23 with 90% of the whole comments full of curses and calling doctors all sorts of names, now that the allied health workers have declared their own strike, people are not so bothered as this thread is still on page 3.

Nigerians don't know the impact of these unnecessary bickering amongst medical workers. Let me give you guys a clue; the cost of seeing a specialist doctor (obstetrician, surgeon, anaesthetist) is already skyrocketing because they are leaving in droves. We are producing doctors for other countries while our people are dying.
Recently, a federal medical centre was looking for doctors to apply for obstetric residency to fill its quota for accreditation but people are not encouraged to take it up. In the last 3 months, 2 super specialized physicians I know have taken up appointment in Botswana. It ll come to hunt us eventually.

Chinaimporter: @bushdoc9919

Well, I daresay the idea behind nurse-consultants is to possibly improve training for nurses too....so that they become more than techies.

[size=14pt]so if you call them consultants,that makes them better trained or same old nurses with a bigger name.....nobody is against a specialist nurse but nurse consultants is a misnomer[/size]



Pharmacists are very important in patient treatment....and yes, we doctors do rely on them for advice.(I am grateful to a hospital pharmacist who pointed out an error in one of my prescriptions once)

[size=14pt]Who said they are not important at all, i also relied on a hospital cleaner to tell me that i was not well covered ( torn gloves)while handling an ebola patient....does that make such a person want to head a hospital
[/size]

Well, some of them do undergo training too...serious training(After all, you do need a lot of knowledge of basic medical science to run a lab!And some lab techies are university graduates....the guy who headed the hospital lab where I did my housejob was a graduate.)

[size=14pt]I said some are now graduates and off course bar tenders undergo serious training
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See my previous comment.....and they do help us docs prescribe right too(The good ones at least).

[size=14pt]Infact most are good at their jobs but what do they do.....everybody is good at handing out something
[/size]
Now that's not true...I have friends who are pharmacist....including one who recently got a PhD in the subject...and she never wanted to be a doctor...na pharmacist from day one.(And I too wanted to be a pharmacist....but thanks to advice from a medical doc friend of my parents...).

[size=14pt]I said most of them not all and most nigerian know this
[/size]
In America, hospitals are not run by medical doctors....they are run by hospital administrators...and hospital admin is a course on its own (Chris Ngige , the politician, is a trained medical doctor with a diploma in hospital administration). As a doc, I don't mind a nurse running a hospital...so long as s/he does not interfere with my clinical decisions(Plus, any good administrator would give leeway to his or her expert employees).

[size=14pt]The question is would they not interfare and if they do and they are heading it, what will you do? Cmon nigeria is not america....hsopital admistration is an MBA course geared towards profit making not effective management of a government hospital
[/size]
Still, the issue really is funding....and the fact that in this country we have a funny idea about titles and salaries. Both need revamping.

[size=14pt]Funding is always an issue everywhere....even in usa[/size]
(I am a medical doctor....and a NMA member).

[size=14pt]I am a physiotherapist, a molecular biologist .....and a full johesu member and i dont think you are a doctor because your logic stinks unless you are a bush quack as your username implies[/size]

Chai, @chinaimporter, importer & exporter, general merchandise. You should have kept quiet instead of exposing your ignorance further. I thought your first post was a mistake, you were corrected but refused correction. Obviously if an error is spotted in your prescription and you're advised accordingly your response would be it doesn't matter. I don't want to conclude that you're a quack, product of many extra years. You sound like a danger and a misfit in the health sector if you could write all that about other health professionals and I therefore call for a review of your certification for clarity purpose. Pls stop your "chinko'' services for conscience sake

I'm neither a physician nor a johesu member but a concern citizen that is well informed of happenings in the health sector. Pls change your reasoning and stop importing "chinko" comments here

drmat02: Nigerians don't know the impact of these unnecessary bickering amongst medical workers. Let me give you guys a clue; the cost of seeing a specialist doctor (obstetrician, surgeon, anaesthetist) is already skyrocketing because they are leaving in droves. We are producing doctors for other countries while our people are dying.
Recently, a federal medical center was looking for doctors to apply for obstetric residency to fill its quota for accreditation but people are not encouraged to take it up. In the last 3 months, 2 super specialized physicians I know have taken up appointment in Botswana. It ll come to hunt us eventually.

Exactly.

And it all boils down to funding.

But the truth is that the Government does not want to face the funding issue, not because they are callous, but because they know that dealing with the funding issue leads them down the road of hospital fee increases, among other things (And that has an impact on how people vote...any politician who raises fees would be sacked in the next election).

Ordinary Nigerians too like their hospitals cheap. The problem is keeping it cheap means lowered standards(That is the same issue bothering our education sector too).

Botswana has a low population, and a lot of resources to boot...that is why Nigerian docs are porting there.

In short....we don't have enough money to fund hospitals. And until we diversify our economy so that we can earn huge revenues from industrial development.....we may have to raise hospital fees....and find money from the fuel subsidy.

Sincere9gerian: A precedent has already been set. Sack them all if they dare go on another strike.

Strikes are declared indiscriminately these days. Majority of them politically motivated.

@chinaimporter, I really see u need help, am beginning to believe d saying that their r educated illiterates, I know its people with great inferiority complex that beg to b noticed or show people who they r, allow Nigerians to see ur importance themselves and not beg them to see it. I pity u so much n I beg people not to attack u but give u d maximum support u need so that u will discover who u r

deeobserver209:
Strikes are declared indiscriminately these days. Majority of them politically motivated.

Where did you see politics in this strike?

Inasmuch as I would not want JOHESU to go on strike again...the fact remains that there are serious issues with funding health in Nigeria...and it is high time your Government addressed them

Ignore JOHESU, and NMA....and you will reap the whirlwind of mass exodus of medics and other allied health professionals out of the country.

Rumin8:

I think you forgot to add eating on duty allowance and verbally abusing patients and their families allowance.

As if you knew i too dey abuse those patients .

drmat02: Nigerians don't know the impact of these unnecessary bickering amongst medical workers. Let me give you guys a clue; the cost of seeing a specialist doctor (obstetrician, surgeon, anaesthetist) is already skyrocketing because they are leaving in droves. We are producing doctors for other countries while our people are dying.
Recently, a federal medical centre was looking for doctors to apply for obstetric residency to fill its quota for accreditation but people are not encouraged to take it up. In the last 3 months, 2 super specialized physicians I know have taken up appointment in Botswana. It ll come to hunt us eventually.

tell them jare... not until they need specialist care will they realize what is actually going on...

elobyobi:

If making absolutely no sense is how u normally communicate, then I understand u completely.

By all means, go on strike. It's ur constitutional right. But mark my words. The rifts among ur member associations WILL be ur downfall. Once the cleaners find out that they're just being used as foot soldiers, and that the only way they can get better pay packages is when government decides to increase MINIMUM WAGE.
Once the diploma holders see that their degree holding counterparts are just as selfish as the doctors y'all gathered together to hate on.
Once the clerks and records staff realise they don't even understand what u ppl are talking about most of the time.
Lol. JOHESU is a disaster waiting to happen. You know it.

till then we will watch who is ye bigger fool.....doctors who fink they own a fiefdom. .....or JOHESU who says enough of the impunity...well we will lock our offices and proceed....you know...break the doors at your own peril.....

prindu: Make no mistake abt it NMA is not JOHESU! They called doctors names just because doctors were fighting for d betterment of d enter health system and demanded an increase in Hazard allowee...

I thought johesu have d patients/masses at heart? Now who is going to be called heartless?

All demands here are for johesu and its members... which one concerns the patient? Compare with NMA demands.

Anyway, we don't really need them in d hospital, let them not just lock up govt equipment and tools as they use to...they can go with their empty heads.

But if they lock up things and go, doctors will also not work o because d masses no like us and we won't kill ourselves for anybody henceforth.

SHALOM !!!

wot of d no. 12?

sigolisis:

Chai, @chinaimporter, importer & exporter, general merchandise. You should have kept quiet instead of exposing your ignorance further. I thought your first post was a mistake, you were corrected but refused correction. Obviously if an error is spotted in your prescription and you're advised accordingly your response would be it doesn't matter. I don't want to conclude that you're a quack, product of many extra years. You sound like a danger and a misfit in the health sector if you could write all that about other health professionals and I therefore call for a review of your certification for clarity purpose. Pls stop your "chinko'' services for conscience sake

I'm neither a physician nor a johesu member but a concern citizen that is well informed of happenings in the health sector. Pls change your reasoning and stop importing "chinko" comments here

One of the subjects not properly thought in our universities is the art of arguement!

A lot of responses have been just laden with insults but can you logically refute the claims he has made?

There is nothing that he had said that is not true!

If you think he is wrong reply based on the points raised and not on his moniker!
Pls stop the insults and give me a proper arguement!

Thank you guy was beginning to wonder for that guy sef. The fact you are a doctor don't mean you can't have twisted ideas.

Chinaimporter: @bushdoc9919

Well, I daresay the idea behind nurse-consultants is to possibly improve training for nurses too....so that they become more than techies.

[size=14pt]so if you call them consultants,that makes them better trained or same old nurses with a bigger name.....nobody is against a specialist nurse but nurse consultants is a misnomer[/size]



Pharmacists are very important in patient treatment....and yes, we doctors do rely on them for advice.(I am grateful to a hospital pharmacist who pointed out an error in one of my prescriptions once)

[size=14pt]Who said they are not important at all, i also relied on a hospital cleaner to tell me that i was not well covered ( torn gloves)while handling an ebola patient....does that make such a person want to head a hospital
[/size]

Well, some of them do undergo training too...serious training(After all, you do need a lot of knowledge of basic medical science to run a lab!And some lab techies are university graduates....the guy who headed the hospital lab where I did my housejob was a graduate.)

[size=14pt]I said some are now graduates and off course bar tenders undergo serious training
[/size]

See my previous comment.....and they do help us docs prescribe right too(The good ones at least).

[size=14pt]Infact most are good at their jobs but what do they do.....everybody is good at handing out something
[/size]
Now that's not true...I have friends who are pharmacist....including one who recently got a PhD in the subject...and she never wanted to be a doctor...na pharmacist from day one.(And I too wanted to be a pharmacist....but thanks to advice from a medical doc friend of my parents...).

[size=14pt]I said most of them not all and most nigerian know this
[/size]
In America, hospitals are not run by medical doctors....they are run by hospital administrators...and hospital admin is a course on its own (Chris Ngige , the politician, is a trained medical doctor with a diploma in hospital administration). As a doc, I don't mind a nurse running a hospital...so long as s/he does not interfere with my clinical decisions(Plus, any good administrator would give leeway to his or her expert employees).

[size=14pt]The question is would they not interfare and if they do and they are heading it, what will you do? Cmon nigeria is not america....hsopital admistration is an MBA course geared towards profit making not effective management of a government hospital
[/size]
Still, the issue really is funding....and the fact that in this country we have a funny idea about titles and salaries. Both need revamping.

[size=14pt]Funding is always an issue everywhere....even in usa[/size]
(I am a medical doctor....and a NMA member).

[size=14pt]I am a physiotherapist, a molecular biologist .....and a full johesu member and i dont think you are a doctor because your logic stinks unless you are a bush quack as your username implies[/size]

Tuwayo!!!b! Sack dem all

tuoyoojo: 15) Need to urgently set up a collective bargaining agreement
committee to look at the following allowances for JOHESU members
a. Headship allowance
b. Administrative allowance
c. professional allowance.
d. Excess work load allowance
e. Health and safety site allowance
f. responsibility allowance

That's d part of the demands I like best. I think u guys shud also add
Coming to work allowance
Sleeping on duty allowance
Comestic allowance
Furniture allowance
Giving drugs to patients allowance

FG una know the needful
"Sack em all"!

oge4real:




You are soooo dumb! Chai

u are also deaf and dump. anu mpama

I have read a lot of posts here and come to the conclusion that most people need to be adequately informed. It is disgusting to hear some arguments that sound like reductionist views, all in the attempt to belittle someone else. Nigeria belongs to all of us and we must make every effort not to fall way behind the rest of the world especially in health care. The world of health care is dynamic, like a moving train it is either you get on board or you are left behind. The practice of health profession (medicine, pharmacy, nursing, lab sc. radiology etc) is changing, driven by advancement in technology, research, socio-economic factors, globalization, emergence of new diseases/treatments, increase in life expectancy and many others.

Patients are becoming more informed than ever before, thanks to the internet as well as increase in formal education opportunity among the populace. It is not uncommon these days to have patients who have done internet search of a particular procedure or test before they even go in for the examination. They are aware of what to expect from the health care provider as well as the different outcome of such procedure. It is not the job of the health care worker who ought to be in a better position to educate these patients? Helping them make informed decisions is the responsibility of the professionals. What this means is that as a health professional, you must be prepared, better informed and be educated to meet the contemporary needs and challenges of the health sector.

Consider these questions as a patient; the scenarios are from the perspective of what it used to be, and what is presently obtainable in the different health care field:

1)What would you do if your radiographer does not have the training to archive and transmit your plain film x-ray in digital format so that a radiologist (Doctor) in a remote site can read them?

2) what would you do if your nurse is unable to troubleshoot digital blood pressure machine, or get result from a digital EkG machine, or find it difficult getting your medication list because they are in electronic medical record (EMR)? All these, due to the fact that she/he is not trained in clinical bioinformatic.The result is that, the nurse can not function to the detriment of the patient.

3) What would you do if your pharmacist is unable to compound your medication because the active composition is only available outside the country, so having asses to it becomes challenging because the B.Pharmacist is not recognized by a foreign counterpart/firm as being a practicing pharmacist with Pharm.D but rather a B.Pharm

4) How would you feel if your medical lab scientist is not contributing to the course of finding a cure to your disease because he/she does not have the advanced training to adequately document findings and present such findings of clinical procedures to others which might be used for research purposes toward the particular disease.

In the face of all these evidence, a responsible party in the health sector would understand that it is no longer business as usual. There is an urgent need for all health care professionals to advance in their practice. This is the current trend in the rest of the world.Schools are changing their Curricula to reflect this current issues, advance practices are coming up, (nurse practitioners, Pharm D, Assistant radiologists etc), there is even more need for leaders in every health care profession. Leaders who are able to make autonomous decisions.

I hope that in the near future, people would get above the fight and encourage each other to become better leaders for the end goal of providing excellent care to the patients. Nigeria is for all of us.

lordthunderbolt:
till then we will watch who is ye bigger fool.....doctors who fink they own a fiefdom. .....or JOHESU who says enough of the impunity...well we will lock our offices and proceed....you know...break the doors at your own peril.....

No problem. Lock am dey go. In the village where I served we were seeing patients under the mango tree, and they were getting cured and giving glory to God. Not to mention they'll look for us in our private hospitals

And of course if the CMD says we should break down the doors, then break down the doors we shall

I will come back to this thread to gloat. And that's a promise.
Unless of course, Seun decides to delete all irrelevant space-occupying threads on Nairaland.

BraniacX:
and the NMA were so unselfish. As we noticed during the ebola pandemic. The NMA care so much for patients . . . . . . . . right?

Those doctors dt attended to those affected, r they nt lNMA members? The late doc dt helped to reduce d d6 spread, is she nt a doc under NMA? U had better leave ur sentiment and hatred 4 docs.

Stuffyj:
Those doctors dt attended to those affected, r they nt lNMA members? The late doc dt helped to reduce d d6 spread, is she nt a doc under NMA? U had better leave ur sentiment and hatred 4 docs.

leave ma sentiments? What sentiments?
That the majority of NMA members weren't on strike right?
That the doctors who were first respondents were not acting in their capacity as private sector not public sector workers right?
That the goverment was not looking for people working in health and related fields to employ on contract basis to help track, monitor and assist patients and suspected patients during the outbreak right?
That JOHESU members were not involved in managing the outbreak right?
And you dare accuse me of sentiments? Remove the log in your own eyes first and see how guilty you are of bias and misrepresentation before you try to remove a non existent speck from mine.

Elliotwiz1: sometimes i wonder why bizarre things are so normal in this country. there are better ways to solve this problem without going on strike. they're a disgrace to the profession, and they're even on oath to never abandon a patient and always deliver care. they don't even bother about the patients who would die but ironically they've sworn to serve humanity. i cover my head in shame of my dear country.

FYI johesu didn't take any oath. don't get it twisted. doctors took oath# clarification

Chinaimporter: [b]The solution to all this conflict is to sensitize nigerians to know the following
1) That nursing is a two year non degree program that contains just element of patient management and almost nothing at all on general studies or other facets of education that other nigerian graduates pass through during their education to gain a full and rounded education and be called university graduates so nursing is effectively a technical training program that evolved into a gorgon medusa in nigeria except for those with BN in nursing.so they are not excpected to act like educated people since most of them are not, hence their thuggish attitude in hospital

2) Pharmacists are a group of well educated people that are trained to work mostly in drug factories(80% work there in other countries) producing it for consumption of the populace with few working in hospital setting and not trying to exceed their limits but in nigeria,a pharmacist that did not see a patient or learn patient management in school want to now become a full fledge doctor and run hospitals.

3) Medical lab science was not even a degree course in this country before now but just a technical certficate gotten in one location in jos after two years of studies but now some are degree holders and now want to wear the same boot as doctors.

4) The pharmacist only job in the hospital is to dispense drugs which anybody even a boko haram member can do effectively with just 3 hours of training hence there unfounded need for undue recognition is even more alarming( ok una go school well well but nobody need una for hospital sorriooo.i de pity una shaaa)

5)That most people in this profession of pharmacy wanted to be doctors but after failing there jamb successively, the opted for pharmacy and developed undue inferiority complex that translated to hate for doctors that is playing out in our health sector

6)That every doctor knows how to do the jobs that this people does but just would not stoop so low as to do so since their have a massive physical and intellectual job they do all the time (it is like the house boy and the oga of the house, if the houseboy is not around,the oga will suffer to iron his cloths and wash his car himself so he will actually work harder but that doesn't make the houseboy the boss at all.

7)[size=18pt]Finally, do any nigerian want to handover their life or that of their children to a hospital being run by nurses or pharmacist?[/size] [/b]

I pity dz country and u called urself a doctor?
Wat u should av said is dt FG should close all pharmacy,Nursing,Physiotherapy,Lab tech schs and dey should b trainin only doctors, and see how far dey can go.
Since only doctors are important. SMH!

hybridtm:
Dis people are not medical doctors, just some clown looking for attention

And which one of them told you he/she is a medical doctor? Mumunism is really affecting you. They Johessu not NMA foool!