WinsomeX:


Don't mind them o. It is Bidam's invention which he uses to accuse BabaGnoni when he runs out of gas to prosecute his position on any thread. He has been asked time without number to provide the said quote and he has not been able to.

Unfortunately, mbaemeka has caught the bug.

Gombs:


Certainly, reading and comprehension skills is a deficiency with some folks here. Image, you were really waiting?

Bidam:
Typical of you to be a false accuser, unlike you i don't make nairaland my second home...I am busy of late and my post are always short and in a jiffy because we are reedeming the time..souls are out their perishing. Unfortunately for you trustman, your friend and ally was in that thread calling babagnoni to order..if na lie i lie make you ask trustman...and if trustman is truly a believer he will confirm what i said.

Image123:

i was waiting oh, was hoping he'd repent of his lies and exaggeration.

BabaGnoni:


You still don't get it, STOP DERAILING THE THREAD.
Stop fibbing on who was or was not there
you have no backbone, once a weasel, also a weasel
You and mbaemeka squealing like pigs that got its head stuck in the fence
You both suit each other, your deceitfulnes are legendary.

vooks:
goD mbaemeka,
Start by showing WHEN/WHERE I said Paul rebuked Peter in Galatia. Paste it

If you have anything on my debunking of your 'private rebuke infont of leaders' nonsensical and obviously regurgitated theory please respond to that post.

Posted verbatim. They told me repetition is for emphasis

Does it bother you that Paul had no qualms publicizing this event long after it occurred to the Galatia commoners?

WinsomeX:


Don't mind him and his demonic practices. So what's the difference btw you and the white garment people who names angels?

That scriptures he quoted clearly stated that angels are "sent to care" or "sent to serve" God's people. The question Gombs should answer is who is doing the sending? God or the saint? I hope we won't have to resort to another "rebuke before elders" sort of debate to understand that it is God that sends angels to care for saints by his sovereign will and not us calling angels as if we are practising metaphysics or occultism.

Bidam:
Then tell your friends to stop mentioning my monikker concerning this issue.

BTW to clear the air for vooks and other newbies..You talk am abi you no talk am?

BabaGnoni:


Have it your way. As you wish, however your insinuations are up there in black and white (e.g. i've NEVER seen this (LAUGHTER) in Nigeria) for all to read

Image123:


You're a disappointment to grace. You clearly made a mistake and exaggerated in falsely accusing me of saying " NONE of these fakeries and detestable acts happen locally." You also lied about me putting up wrong time, you've glossed over that, but you have links and youtube videos of other men's mistakes and failings stored up to gloat over. Accept your mistake/error and move on, or better still, list the fakeries and detestable acts and the place/places where i ALWAYS say none of these fakeries and detestable acts happen locally. Yes, i still maintain that i have NEVER seen this (LAUGHTER) in Nigeria. That is my personal experience, if you have seen it, say. Post YouTube too, simples.

BabaGnoni:


"You talk am abi you no talk am" has nothing to do with this thread
(i.e. The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin)
There is a time and a place for everything.
Different things are appropriate on different threads and/or occasions.
Please control and respect yourself sir.

WinsomeX:


He has done so time without number. It is you and Bidam that have become hard of hearing. Just provide the said quote or allow us to rest.

Very soon you people will be crying foul, saying someone is derailing a Hagin thread with WoF discusses. When you people introduce Eve and serpent to such a thread, one cannot call it DERAILing anymore. It is DELUSION.

Gombs:


Excuse me! A pm? Really? Reading and comprehension problems has been persistent in your camp. If for threads past, vooks still think image123 is feminine or that he was too in a haste to criticise, that he forgot I made the post, then, my friend Babagnoni, I think common sense has failed you too.

I should PM him abi? Now public rebuke did not sound ok as you lot advocate? I was waiting for this moment for someone to remotely him private correction, and here you are, meek and pious. I did not rebuke him, not correct him, I simply wanted to show how reading and comprehension has been in deficiency in your camp. Call the to order, send them a PM.

Thanks. Happy Sunday.

BabaGnoni:


You still don't get it, STOP DERAILING THE THREAD.
Stop fibbing on who was or was not there
you have no backbone, once a weasel, also a weasel
You and mbaemeka squealing like pigs that got its head stuck in the fence
You both suit each other, your deceitfulnes are legendary.

Image123:


You're a disappointment to grace. You clearly made a mistake and exaggerated in falsely accusing me of saying " NONE of these fakeries and detestable acts happen locally." You also lied about me putting up wrong time, you've glossed over that,

but you have links and youtube videos of other men's mistakes and failings stored up to gloat over.

Accept your mistake/error and move on, or better still, list the fakeries and detestable acts and the place/places where i ALWAYS say none of these fakeries and detestable acts happen locally. Yes, i still maintain that i have NEVER seen this (LAUGHTER) in Nigeria. That is my personal experience, if you have seen it, say. Post YouTube too, simples.

mbaemeka:
He has done what? I dare him to retract his claims now. Along with the one that when Jesus said "Greater works than these shall ye [those who believe in me] do" he was referring to "advancements in medicine and technology" as though satanists and atheists are not part of the scientists who have helped in the said advancements and when Nannymcphee called him out he began to throw infantile fits. He did not deny any of such claims and if he claims so then he is a liar. He only corrected Bidam for saying Eve slept with Satan. In other words he said "the serpent" and not satan. He even thanked me for using the right word. And you the chief delusional hypocrite did not rebuke him publicly because he is in your camp where any conjectures and fabrications thrive".

mbaemeka:


He has done what? I dare him to retract his claims now. Along with the one that when Jesus said "Greater works than these shall ye [those who believe in me] do" he was referring to "advancements in medicine and technology" as though satanists and atheists are not part of the scientists who have helped in the said advancements and when Nannymcphee called him out he began to throw infantile fits. He did not deny any of such claims and if he claims so then he is a liar. He only corrected Bidam for saying Eve slept with Satan. In other words he said "the serpent" and not satan. He even thanked me for using the right word. And you the chief delusional hypocrite did not rebuke him publicly because he is in your camp where any conjectures and fabrications thrive".

Bidam:
Don't mind that window xp fellow...whether na snake=serpent=satan slept with eve..all na same same..we dey cast them out no be today.

BabaGnoni:


OK, now that yall have earned your brownie points, and successfully managed to drag serpents on to this thread, can we now go back to the thread?
We can wait for the next thread you will bring it up on again
Gombs moderate this thread and/or rein in any further wayward adolescent or adult
Thank you

BabaGnoni:

You will eat your words. I rest my case.

Bidam:
You think you can make empty threats at me? Lol, Go ahead and take your best shot.

nlMediator:
You guys need to up your game big time. If these are your best shots, we might as well call it a day.

trustman:


Ok then, let's see again a few things from the book:

First it should be noted that these are Hagin's views. The Bible still stands as the supreme authority. 

I want to home in on this:
"There are a number of teachings and practices in the Church today, particularly among Charismatic groups, that can lead to misunderstandings and hurtful problems. Many times, these errors are the result of people taking a Bible verse, or part of a verse, out of context or by carrying an application too far. Sometimes there has been an overzealous attempt to make a New Testament application of some Old Testament phrase or technicality that absolutely does not apply. Taken to the extreme, these teachings can become abuses and false practices."

Chapter one 
Determine in your heart to put spiritual things first and to esteem earthly things lightly. Put God first, even before your own self. You'll be blessed spiritually, physically, and in every way—you and your family as well.

Do WoF congregations put spiritual things first? By the way, what are the spiritual things they should put first? What are the earthly things they should esteem lightly?

Where in reality are their emphasis?

Chapter two
After the Lord showed me this, He said, "Whatever you need, you just claim it."
Does anywhere in the Bible, particularly the NT, corroborate this?
At the end of this chapter what 'AUTHORITY IN THE AREA OF FINANCES' can we glean from the NT regarding the Christian?

Angels Are Ministering Spirits - under whose authority? How did Jesus use them? How did Paul and other apostles use them? Any scriptural backing?


WAS JESUS POOR?
What kind of offering did the parents present at his dedication? (Luke 2:24, Leviticus 12:8

"For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sokes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich."
- 2 Corinthians 8:9
So 'poor' and 'poverty' here are not talking about material lack (it has to do with something spiritual?) yet 'rich' in the same text refers to abundant physical provisions and prosperity? Whao! 

Again, and it needs repeating, Jesus' ministry is like no one else'. His ministry was unique. 

On the one hand Hagin said: "The idea that God wants His children poor, having no material things, is totally unscriptural."
Then he went on to say: "In short, material wealth can be connected to the blessings of God or it can be totally disconnected from the blessings of God. Certainly, financial prosperity is not an infallible gauge of a person's spirituality. 

How many WoF devotees today actually go all out to:
"Interpret the Word of God Correctly

Please understand that I am not trying to be cynical, nor am I trying to take away anyone's faith concerning God meeting his needs. But I believe it is important that we be realistic and sound in what we teach. We must "rightly divide" the Word of God and carefully seek the truth in interpreting the Scriptures."

When the issue of Logos and Rhema comes up or like even came up severally in this Hagin's book 'the spirit said' or 'the Lord told me' where lies the objective interpretation of God's word?

Do WoF advocates truly believe this:
"Overemphasizing or adding to what the Bible actually teaches invariably does more harm than good." ?

Hagin said:
"Making a New Testament application of Old Testament technicalities violates every principle of Bible interpretation, especially when there isn't a single New Testament usage of the word "firstfruits" in the context in which it is being preached by some ministers."
But he and other WoF advocates fail to use this same mindset to look at the issue of Tithing. Why, one may ask, is this so?


How many WoF devotees will agree with this:
"Another crucially important issue is that ministers should never suggest or lead people to believe that prosperity means conspicuous, lavish wealth. It simply is not true that everyone who has faith for prosperity will live in a palace, drive a luxurious car, and dress in expensive, designer-label clothes.
Prosperity is relative. For some people, being able to pay their bills and provide the basic comforts of life for their families would be a great blessing—a definite step up. "

Hope these are enough food for thought for now on the book. BTW, those crying wolf over the derailing of the thread should also NOTE that when they veer off into comments on other people's thread in this same thread they are doing the same thing they accuse others of.

BabaGnoni:

It aint a threat but it's reality
I'll have the three of youse for breakfast - you, whoever is the girlfriend or mistress among the other two in one lump, easily and lick my lips after.

Goshen360:


@ Gombs, vooks and BabaGnoni,

What post did Gombs drew my attention to an old thread? U tried going back on the pages but can't find non. Can anyone point me to it so I can address it.

Bidam:
Ok mr serpent, i am threading on you right now..so you are powerless concerning the authorithy i have over you.

vooks:
Am not here to mother you nor offer free comprehension courses sir!

That's a typical inconsistency on WOFers. Always rationalizing their acts when reality shatters their utopia.They don't take medicines because 'by His stripes we are healed' BUT when they do, Jesus is healing them through the medium of pagan medical doctors

BabaGnoni:

You and mbaemeka take after your father, you both are the devil's handiwork
The devil has kept you both busy on the thread
mbaemeka admitted derailing the thread further but you're unable to resist dragging the serpent on to this thread
and still bent on derailing the thread

BabaGnoni:

You and mbaemeka take after your father, you both are the devil's handiwork
The devil has kept you both busy on the thread
mbaemeka admitted derailing the thread further but you're unable to resist dragging the serpent on to this thread
and still bent on derailing the thread

Bidam:
You forgot i rested my case then you issued an "empty threat" that i would eat my words?

Bidam:
Typical evasive tactics. Let's take your silence for consent.

BTW it was you and your anti-WoF that started derailing this thread not me, so let's put things in proper perspective. I rest my case.