PastorKun:


Another irrelevant scripture to the subject matter. Posting parables and presenting them as facts is the height of delusion. In using parables to try and justify allegations made against mohammed only proves that deep down, you are ashamed of what he did.

Malvisguy212 PastorKun

tola9ja:



my friends pls why did you denied prophet Muhammad

tola9ja:



my friends pls why did you denied prophet Muhammad

PastorKun:


I didn't deny your Muhammed, I just don't know him and I am highly unimpressed by the records of the quoran and hadiths of him. That is apart from the fact that in a lot of his teachings he blasphemed against Jesus and christianity as a whole.

PastorKun:


I didn't deny your Muhammed, I just don't know him and I am highly unimpressed by the records of the quoran and hadiths of him. That is apart from the fact that in a lot of his teachings he blasphemed against Jesus and christianity as a whole.

but for the quran to called Muhammad a prophet, that is a big lie,

tola9ja:


God bless you please show some of the quran verses or hadith that you are not impressed off

Thanks......

PastorKun:


His several offensive wars to spread Islam, his several wives, his raiding of caravans(stealing) his keeping of Sex slaves, under aged marriage and several other atrocities which are unbecoming of a man supposed to be sent by God which he committed. I know muslims have tried to excuse these short comings in the past but you must realise that a much higher standard is expected of an ordinary preacher talkless of someone who claims to be a prophet of God.

tola9ja:
LOL

i saw PastorKun kissing and romancing his church member a rational thinking human being will never believe until he or she see a strong evidence but a person that dis like PastorKun will just jump into conclusion without any evidence because he hate him

PastorKun:


Are you saying your quoran and hadiths are not credible evidences

tola9ja:


WHERE IS THE QURAN AND HADITH EVIDENCES

PastorKun:


I don't remember all the verses off head but we can start with quoran 9:29 I am sure malvisguy212 would be able to supply all the other references.

PastorKun:


I don't remember all the verses off head but we can start with quoran 9:29 I am sure malvisguy212 would be able to supply all the other references.

tola9ja:
don't be sentimental sincerely read
Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” q. 9:29 Y
The verse says “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth”.


My question to you brother. Does this verse stop here? No it doesnt. It continues and gives the actual reason as to the fighting. This is the continuation: – “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”.
PAYING JIZYA IS THE CONDITION FOR FIGHTING. THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALLY IGNORED OR OVERLOOKED WHEN LEVYING THIS ALLEGATION OF VIOLENCE ON MUSLIMS.
This verse doesn’t ask the Muslims to do mindless slaughter as the media portrays or deceives. It gives the Muslims the permission to fight only those non-Muslims who do not pay jizya – the state tax. And we all know that jizya is applicable only in an Islamic state. Neither Nigeria , nor US or Britain are Islamic states. So to put this verse as an excuse for what happened there only shows how biased unknowledgeable and unfair the non muslim is.

tola9ja:
don't be sentimental sincerely read
Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” q. 9:29 Y
The verse says “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth”.


My question to you brother. Does this verse stop here? No it doesnt. It continues and gives the actual reason as to the fighting. This is the continuation: – “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”.
PAYING JIZYA IS THE CONDITION FOR FIGHTING. THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALLY IGNORED OR OVERLOOKED WHEN LEVYING THIS ALLEGATION OF VIOLENCE ON MUSLIMS.
This verse doesn’t ask the Muslims to do mindless slaughter as the media portrays or deceives. It gives the Muslims the permission to fight only those non-Muslims who do not pay jizya – the state tax. And we all know that jizya is applicable only in an Islamic state. Neither Nigeria , nor US or Britain are Islamic states. So to put this verse as an excuse for what happened there only shows how biased unknowledgeable and unfair the non muslim is.

Rilwayne001:
Sometimes its better to watch people wallow in their ignorance......SMH

tola9ja:


we should try and keep replying them may be Allah can show them is path INAKA LAH TAHDII MAAN HABABTA WALAKINA LAHA YAHDII MAN YASHAU

malvisguy212:


but Allah gave them a bargain.
Surah 61:10.
O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?

Rilwayne001:
Sometimes its better to watch people wallow in their ignorance......SMH

PastorKun:


Why don't you explain it better and put things in better perspective?

@tola9ja
So far you have not been able to prove that Islam does not support violence or religious intolerance. Even the verses you quoted proves Islam promotes violence. Your denying it proves to me that you are embarrassed by your Islamic doctrines and I can understand why.

Rilwayne001:


Why did'nt you reply my first quote on this thread?

malvisguy212:
Surah 2:216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and
you know not.” (Yusuf Ali)
Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah
knoweth, you know not. (Pickthall)

Muslim apologists deceitfully lie that Islamic wars are always defensive
in nature. The following Qur’anic verse exposes this lie.

PastorKun:


Why don't you explain it better and put things in better perspective?

@tola9ja
So far you have not been able to prove that Islam does not support violence or religious intolerance. Even the verses you quoted proves Islam promotes violence. Your denying it proves to me that you are embarrassed by your Islamic doctrines and I can understand why.

PastorKun:


Which quote

PastorKun:


I didn't deny your Muhammed, I just don't know him and I am highly unimpressed by the records of the quoran and hadiths of him. That is apart from the fact that in a lot of his teachings he blasphemed against Jesus and christianity as a whole.

PastorKun:malvisguy212:

tola9ja:




Quran 2:216 Jihad ['Qital'] (holy war in the cause of God) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But God knows, and you know not.

This verse actually uses the word “Qital”, which refers to physical combat in war. Combat is ordained for Muslims in order to defend themselves and their rights, as well as the rights of others. The obligation to physically defend one’s rights, and to establish justice




4:75 And what is wrong with you that you do not engage in combat for the sake of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."

It is most certainly a duty of all human beings to help each other from oppression and injustice. This is what Islam teaches. Commenting on verse 2:216
Therefore, the fighting ordained by ALLAH in the Qur'an is the fighting to establish justice and security in the land, and this is a duty upon all human beings.

malvisguy212:
now,comper the message of jesus and muhammad, jesus even comand us to love and pray for our enemy. The difference is soo clear, it is satan that will encourage you to engage your enemy .

tola9ja:
IS YOUR TURN

DON'T LET ME RUSH YOU 1 BY 1 FABRICATION WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED



1 Samuel 15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

15 Samuel told Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint you king over His people Israel. Now listen and heed the words of the Lord.

2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, I have considered and will punish what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way when [Israel] came out of Egypt.

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EVEN BOKO HARAM DONT USE TO KILL DONKEY COW CHICKEN E.T.C YOUR GOD IS WICKED CHAIII

tola9ja:
IS YOUR TURN

DON'T LET ME RUSH YOU 1 BY 1 FABRICATION WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED



1 Samuel 15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

15 Samuel told Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint you king over His people Israel. Now listen and heed the words of the Lord.

2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, I have considered and will punish what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way when [Israel] came out of Egypt.

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EVEN BOKO HARAM DONT USE TO KILL DONKEY COW CHICKEN E.T.C YOUR GOD IS WICKED CHAIII