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Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by Nobody: 8:49am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Now that Tambuwal has decided to hold the NASS to ransomn and the subject of whether Tambuwal is still a legislator/Speaker or not is a subject of litigation The Attorney General of the Federation should guide Jonathan to within the limits of the constitution use his executive powers to by where necessary issue executive orders or use his veto powers until sanity is restored to the house and the courts decide on Tambuwal's legitimacy. I use the phrase "Tambuwal's legitimacy" carefully because at this moment no Nigerian dead or alive has voted for Tambuwal the APC member either as a legislator or as speaker. While the courts are yet to decide I expect Jonathan to rather than give the lower chamber another opportunity to embarrass the country like where a simple vote for extension of emergency rule in the North East degenerated into a show of shame; the president should legally seek opportunities within the constitution to bypass the lower house for now until the leadership crisis is resolved. 7 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by OrlandoOwoh(m): 8:54am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Rubbish! So Jonathan's headache is now how to "restore sanity in the NASS" not how to restore peace in the North East? 6 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by Nobody: 9:12am On Nov 23, 2014 |
OrlandoOwoh: I guess you did not realise that the house of reps convened to actually vote on extension of state of emergency in the north east The integrity, stability and sanity of the house is intertwined with the rest of our destiny as a Nation 5 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by egift(m): 9:13am On Nov 23, 2014 |
It a president that has plan and good policies that use Veto and Executive Order. If the president submit a programme that will benefit Nigerians to the Lawmakers, if they water it down during deliberations, he will veto it and send it back for review. But the fact is in Nigeria, Jonathan is only interested in Steali-Is-Not-Corruption, so he used all his presidential powers to get it done, here are some of his actions to implement corruption: - Disintegrate Governors Forum: in order to silence the only set of people that can question him when he is about to steal from the Federation Account. - Sack Sanusi: For exposing the fact that after NNPC crude sales, the money is diverted to personal interest and not remitted to the Federation Account (where the approval of the Federal Executive Council will be required to effect withdrawal). - Squander External Reserve: that was put in place to save money for difficult times. - Ignore Boko Haram Killings: in order to ensure that Security Budget will keep increasing, contracts and loan requests will keep getting the approval they need. Jonathan's Legacy - Stealing is officially not corruption 5 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by bombay: 9:17am On Nov 23, 2014 |
The northerners are the once bombing the north why don't you hold them to ransom 5 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by major466(m): 9:19am On Nov 23, 2014 |
GEJ should not get involve in the fracas going on in the National Assembly. That's their wahala. Let them continue disgracing themselves. However, GEJ should explore other options available in the Constitution to sustain the war against terror until the National Assembly comes back to its senses and pass the Emergency Rule. 4 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by Nobody: 9:21am On Nov 23, 2014 |
major466:Gej started the fracas Op which veto power? 2 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by Nobody: 9:24am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Obiagelli: Tambuwal started this crisis Let's not live in denial By the way the Presidency and Jonathan have not been involved directly. If u say it's a lie say how? 8 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by Nobody: 9:31am On Nov 23, 2014 |
mikeansy:I won't be surprised if the president has no control over the police. Just btw the meeting held by President, mark and the IGP after tambuwal's defection was about what? Nigerians are not fools o 2 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by major466(m): 9:35am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Obiagelli:How was it GEJ's fault? GEJ was celebrating his birthday quietly with family and friends at the Villa, while the house of Reps members were busy climbing fence shamelessly. 9 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by egift(m): 9:37am On Nov 23, 2014 |
bombay: Are they our president or is that part of the country not Nigeria? mikeansy: - Tambuwal did not start anything, he is not the first Nigerian politician to change party. Those that decamp before him were not sacked. It is very moronic to want Tambuwal to lose his position when others that changed party due to the same PDP crisis are retaining their portfolios. The case was in court, stop finding justification for PDP's self-help outside the court. - On the last bold text you lied as hell, Jonathan is very much involved in persecuting Tambuwal. Jonathan calls emergency PDP meeting over Tambuwal http://www.news24.com.ng/Politics/News/Jonathan-calls-emergency-PDP-meeting-over-Tambuwal-20141030 3 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by Nobody: 9:39am On Nov 23, 2014 |
major466: Yeah, gej has no control over the police, we hear. 1 Like |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by bombay: 9:42am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Yoruba people licking the butt crack of the hausa fulani man since 13AD 9 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by Nobody: 12:32pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
This crisis started because Tambuwal defected parties and rather than act like a statesman and resign he decided to try to circumvent the constitution So Tambuwal started the crisis! Changing parties without recourse to the peoples vote, or that of the floor of the lower house is the root cause of this crisis! 2 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by ow11(m): 1:49pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
When are we going to debate Land use act or Mining rights (solid mineral laws) rather these unnecessary distractions and PDPC politics. If GEJ has a problem withTambuwal then let him ask the PDP legislators to fix it and stop dragging the police to create dramatic scenes Look at us discussing an inanity that would be irrelevant in three months 1 Like |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by egift(m): 7:59am On Nov 27, 2014 |
mikeansy: Mike, with due respect, how did you degenerate to this level @BOLD. - Is Tambuwal the first Nigerian Politician to change party? - There is a case in court about "Defection" (on the 5 Governors and Members of the House of Reps), why can't PDP wait for the court to decide the Fate of politician who defect? - If PDP want to impeach Tambuwal, why can't they follow the constitution and raise 2/3 majority on the Floor? - And when did Moral decision become a replacement to Legal and Constitutional principle in determining what is lawful? The fact remains, Tambuwal did not start any crisis. He has the right to change party and retain his portfolio "if there is disagreement in PDP". The only way PDP can thrive is when there is crises. Tell them to stop seeking self-help by using the police to intimidate an Arm of Government. And have you seen that the Police are saying they got information that there will be crisis in the Assembly and are not sticking to the part of trying to Remove Tambuwal as Speaker - why is that? 2 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by Nobody: 8:34pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
egift: People are not only sane when they share your views. I have said it again and again. The behaviour of APC is very disgraceful! Progressives all over the world are guided by their convictions. APC does not trust their own judgement or their own conviction enough to test it before the people. There is no division in PDP. What we have is a bunch of full grown men who can go as far as making up a crisis, invent an unexistent faction just to circumvent the constitution. The correct thing for Tambuwal to do was to resign in recognition of the position of the constitution and the spirit of the law. Just step down, force a bye-election and let the people vote you back into the same office if you believe that definitely the choices you are making are in the people's interest. We have a situation where Tambuwal is parading himself as speaker when he has not been voted by anyone either as a Legislator or Speaker! 2 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by nduchucks: 8:54pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
mikeansy: You and the other Presidential advisers will sooner or later advice him into the impeachment conundrum. We are waiting for GEJ to put his foot in his mouth, an affair which is not advisable at the moment considering that the appetite for impeachment is very present. You stated convincinly (though you only convinced the gullible ones) that the Presidency and GEJ have not been involved in the criminality of the IGP, ko? Let me remind you that the IGP was appointed by the President and given that this is Nigeria, the IGP's loyalty is more to the President than any other entity. If you really believe that the IGP acted with impunity without GEJ's full prior knowledge on the Tambuwal/NASS brouhaha, then you are either very naive or a connie connie Igbo intellectual. 4 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by Nobody: 8:59pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
nduchucks: MY NAME IS NOT CONSTANZA On a more serious note do you have any evidence that the IGP briefs Presidency before engaging in operational decisions? The IGP is doing his bit to enforce the Nigerian constitution as-is and as such does not need permission from the Presidency to do his job on a day to day basis. 1 Like |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by egift(m): 9:04pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
mikeansy: Mike, the bold is a big lie, yet again. There is division in PDP. - Where there no workouts during PDP mini-convention? - Did 5 PDP Governors not leave the party? - Have you forgotten other member of the House also left because of the crisis? - Why did Jonathan send a delegation to beg OBJ to return back to the fold, even when he has repeated he remain a PDP member even with the crisis? - Did Tukur not leave his Chairmanship position as a result of the crisis (a decision he is still fighting till date)? - Did some PDP Senators not write the Senate President that they were leaving PDP? (a letter David Mark is still seating on) Mikeansy, is it when PDP chieftains start shooting each other in the street before you can consider it a crisis? The correct thing for Tambuwal to do was to resign in recognition of the position of the constitution and the spirit of the law.Your are parading half truth and pretending to be wise. Did you forget that the portion of the constitution that you are referencing also stated that "if there is crisis in PDP" it is very lawful to retain his current portfolio in recognition of the constitution and in the spirit of the law? You and thuggish IG read half and throw away half. SUMMARY: If PDP feel the crisis that rocked their party is not "Crisis" enough, the Party can go to court and get Judgement and an Order asking Tambuwal to vacate the Seat, then the IG can bar him if he refuses. But for the mean time, Jonathan should stop embarrassing himself and stop using the Police to Subvert the Office of the Speaker of the Federal Government of Nigeria. I will not seat back and watch him exhibit drunkenness on the Legislative Arm of Government. 2 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by nduchucks: 9:10pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
mikeansy: If you want evidence, then you are in for a very long tin! We are not in the courtroom. Your question is synonymous to asking for evidence that Patience sleeps with Jonathan (though the answer may be No when a certain Ministress is in town) 1 Like |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by egift(m): 9:10pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
mikeansy: Here it is (stop this selective memory). Jonathan summons emergency PDP meeting over Tambuwal http://www.today.ng/politics/defection-to-apc-jonathan-summons-emergency-pdp-meeting-over-tambuwal/ |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by Nobody: 9:17pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
^^^^^^^^ A court has already ruled that PDP have no factions A bunch of people who felt they had alternative views and aspirations left the PDP. Nothing wrong with that! What is totally reprehensible is a bunch of people who call themselves leaders and progressives forming an imaginary political party and merging within APC just so that they can circumvent the constitution! It is really disgraceful from APC. what happened to politicians staying true to what they believe in? standing up for their convictions and simply resign when they defect, force a bye-election and seek the people's vote. Test their new great views and ideas at the polls? That anybody else did it before is not a legitimate reason for a man who was number 4 citizen to be brazenly irresponsible and not recognise the provisions and spirit of a law he was supposed to protect! Tambuwal not only tried to circumvent the constitution, he also denied his constituency an opportunity to have a say in his new political choices. This is a very dishonourable behaviour that should not come from the number 4 citizen of any country. That APC as a party are even condoning it smacks of shameful desperation! 1 Like |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by ratiken(m): 10:15pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
All Nigeria's major issues in the last three years have been linked to APC. APC is just undiluted Evil. 2 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by arresa: 11:10pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
They need to gather together you unintelligent and ignorant illiterates, educate and drill into your heads elementary social studies, civic education and the meaning of separation of powers.... I need to ask this serious question? Why do you jona groupies utter do most ignorant and illiterate views? 2 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by arresa: 11:12pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
[s] mikeansy:[/s] And your rubbish doesn't apply to the ones defecting to PDP? You people really need to stop bothering us with your hypocritical nonsense... 3 Likes |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by LFJ: 11:26pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
mikeansy: So Mr Constanza is still here crying like baby over our honorable speaker. If you are not happy that Alhaji Aminu Waziri Tabuwa is still our speaker you can hug transformer. |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by LFJ: 11:31pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
mikeansy: Stop crying, you are becoming a nuisance. Tabuwa is our speaker, if you don't like it jump to lagoon. 1 Like |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by hardywaltz(m): 7:04am On Nov 28, 2014 |
I know most of u have neva taken time to read the constitution of the Federal Republic else u will know that overriding veto power rests with the National Assembly. Which means they can override all his decision including his veto. Section 58 of the CRF as amended. GEJ is joking with fire. 1 Like |
Re: Veto Rights And Executive Orders - Jonathan Should Use Them by aljharem(m): 7:06am On Nov 28, 2014 |
He really should use this. This is why I do not like GEJ, he is too du.ll and weak thus likes of OBJ, Tambuwal and co can be saying rubbish and get away with it. |
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