Empiree: Yes! did the Qur'an fall from the sky?. Are the Jews who reject Jesus prophet hood not gonna be hell-bound?

usermane:


This perfectly sum up why I can't have a decent Islamic discourse with you and majority of traditionalists. You view on Islam and monotheism is very narrow and shallow. Please see Qur'an 2: 62. Of course, your Ulamas have abrogated it, but whatever. One can lead a man to knowledge but twenty cannot make him think.

usermane:


So now you agree that one can deny Sharia and still be Muslim? That is great, given that only earlier, you were supporting the speaker's stance that denying sharia equal kufr

Which example? I beg. You need me to remind you of the many prohibitions and prescriptions in Hadith that cannot be found in Qur'an? Monotheism, is a very delicate subject.

Tell me about the rabbits, George. Please see Quran 48:02 and 93:07. Muhammad was never perfect and for this reason, all his words, deeds or silent approvals cannot be taken at face value.

I think I answered this question in the past. I never needed a reason for the revelation of any verse, without finding the reason within the passage containing the verse.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Again, thank you. Your problem is you still believe in Hadith about Muhammad on flying horse to visit God and bargain the number of daily salat. You still have the understanding that salat came with Muhammad, so please, I really don't have it in me to flog the dead horse again.

Empiree: Common man, you are smarter than this. When you said Shari'a, thats a broad context. Weren't you taught the basics of Islam, that's, things that take one out of the fold?.Hijab is not one of them. For instance, it is forbidden in Shari'a to drink (beer, alcohol etc). But if a muslim does, he/she is sinning. It does not take one out of the fold. Get it?. However, this does not mean forcing Hijab on her. She has to understand it before practicing it. You simply do not want to look into the breakdown. Thats your problem

usermane:


Your assertion that Hijab is not a basic of Islam is contradictory to your own theology. Virtually, all your clergymen agree hijab is a basic in Islam, that denial of hijab is tantamount to kufr. Let's not loose our focus. Denying the law and violating the law are not the same. What the speaker stated was that denying sharia is kufr. Hijab being an element of sharia, denial of hijab is kufr as well, according to the speaker and traditional scholars. As a traditionalist, you are accept this.
In response to the speaker, I disagreed. My evidence being Quran 2:62, you don't need to be believe in Sharia to be a Muslim. Islam is not limited to Muhammad or the Qur'an. You can't call a Muslim a disbeliever because he disbelieves in amputation.

I have refrained from responding to your other questions & posts, you should have sensed it by now, you are not intellectually stimulating enough for me. You employ many logical fallacies in your arguments; appeal to extreme, shifting the goalpost, straw man, appeal to majority. You ask questions that you already know the response, questions I have responded to in the past, downright silly or irrelevant questions. Also, try research your sources and traditions properly when you debate me, unlike those folks at Religion section, I understand your sources or traditions thoroughly. I was raised an observant traditionalist for over 20 years. So, I can tell when you are covering up, omitting, falsifying or contradicting your traditions. Believe me

Peace

ikupakuti:
@empi.ree

Is that the khalifah of Mukadam Auwal (Omupo) RTA ?

Empiree:
You mean the last video up there, lutifullahi?. That's Sheikh Rabiu Adebayo (Baba oworoshoki). Used to organise "Ipe Ododo" now Dawatul Haq. (same thing basically)

ikupakuti:


Yeal!

Thats his name - sheikh rabiu adebayor

He is a mureed of late sheikh auwal oshodi (ra)

...and a friend of the late sheikh oni waasi agbaye (ra)

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Empiree:
Oh thanks. I didnt know that. He (sheikh rabiu adebayor) is in his 70s right?

ikupakuti:


I really cant say how old he is...but then, he doesnt look seventy-ish to me

Last time i saw him was...@ the janaiz of sheikh auwal, which he hosted...even as at then he couldnt be more than fifty something

Empiree:
What year was this?. He definitely not in his 50s. I heard him talking about ".....in 1948, when I was student at......."

Empiree:
I knew there was always ulterior motives with salafiyah movement in nigeria. This video confirms what Sheik Habib was saying. SMH...all bcus of worldy enticement they blackmailed Sufi Ulama in nigeria that they are kufar, their fathers and grandfather are kufar, that they have eventually "found" the truth (salafism). Sounds to me like Saudi trapped them by asking them to provide their names.

Subhannallah, this is not fisabiliAllah.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxU5iRw76WI

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usermane:

48:2. The result of this is that Allâh will protect you from (the ill consequences of) the fault attributed to you in the past and those to follow, and that He will make His favour perfect upon you and will lead you to the goal of the exact right path;

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لِّيَغْفِرَ لَكَ اللَّهُ مَا تَقَدَّمَ مِن ذَنبِكَ وَمَا تَأَخَّرَ وَيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكَ وَيَهْدِيَكَ صِرَاطًا مُّسْتَقِيمًا

48:2 Dhanbi-ka ذَنبِكَ means the fault attributed to you (-the Holy Prophet (pbuh). Elsewhere in the Holy Qur’ân (5:30) a similar expression ithmî ÏÀQG is used meaning ‘the sin committed against me’. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) never committed a sin, and his istighfâr iB°¬NmG means the asking of Divine protection for him and his people (see here the discussion on David’s supplication for Divine protection in chapter 34). Even before he was raised to the dignity of Prophethood he was known as al-Amîn ”¿ÜA - the most trustworthy, of safe conduct, faithful, sincere, steadfast and al-Sâdîq ¶eBv»A - the most straightforward, perfect, unmingled, truthful, just, true, a man of veracity, a man who observes his promises faithfully and with soundness. Moreover, he received the highest praise - Muhammad féÀŠ.

The verse has been misunderstood through lack of knowledge of the Arabic idiom and translated as ‘your sin’, signifying that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) was guilty of moral lapse. The word Dhanbi-ka ذَنبِكَ is in a genitive construction (idzâfat) which is also found elsewhere in the Holy Qur’ân and Arabic literature. For instance shurakâ-i ÕB·jq does not mean ‘My partners’ but ‘my so-called partners associated with me by you, and that you set up with me’ (cf.: 6:22; 6:54; 28:44; 34:27 etc.). In the verse under comment the Idzâfat or mutual construction of two nouns carries a similar significance and the word means “the fault attributed to you”, or the shortcomings which were attributed to the Holy Prophet (pbuh) in the past and will be attributed to him by his adversaries in the future. Allâh‘s Prophets are born sinless and they remain sinless throughout their life.


So now you agree that one can deny Sharia and still be Muslim? That is great, given that only earlier, you were supporting the speaker's stance that denying sharia equal kufr




Which example? I beg. You need me to remind you of the many prohibitions and prescriptions in Hadith that cannot be found in Qur'an? Monotheism, is a very delicate subject.






Tell me about the rabbits, George. Please see Quran 48:02 and 93:07. Muhammad was never perfect and for this reason, all his words, deeds or silent approvals cannot be taken at face value.




I think I answered this question in the past. I never needed a reason for the revelation of any verse, without finding the reason within the passage containing the verse.



Thank you.



Thank you, Mr.



Again, thank you. Your problem is you still believe in Hadith about Muhammad on flying horse to visit God and bargain the number of daily salat. You still have the understanding that salat came with Muhammad, so please, I really don't have it in me to flog the dead horse again.




@bold. Please read and digest the verse properly. Preferably read from the 27th verse to the main verse. Yes, some sahabas have been promised paradise according to 9:100, but not all of them. Muhammad's complain in Qur'an 25:30 foretell that MOST of the his people(those he delivered the Quran to) will reject the Qur'an. This is contrary to the idea that all of Arabia embraced Islam after Muhammad.