axum:



I use the word Bantu for Negroid. But if you want to be specific Nilotic.

How can you say Nubians are mixed with Nilotic, when Nubians enslaved Nilotic, even when Axum took over Kush, Axum enslaved Nilotics, even when Somalis separated from Ethiopia, we still enslaved Negroids. Yet here you are telling us that Cushitics are mixed with Bantu and Nubians are mixed with Nilotic. lmao


You should tell this cool story to the Bantus in Somalia, The Nilotic in Ethiopia and the Nilotics in South Sudan.

Nubian are diluted nilotics. plus you do know most of the so called Nubian are arabized and Muslim and the nilotics are not. and it is not unhared of for half blacks to hated their black side. Dominicans hate Haitians

TerryCarr:

Nubian are diluted nilotics. plus you do know most of the so called Nubian are arabized and Muslim and the nilotics are not. and it is not unhared of for half blacks to hated their black side. Dominicans hate Haitians

lmao, you will say anything wouldn't you. Dude even the ones who are muslim still speak their own language, so do the Cushitic Beja. They have nothing to do with nilotic. You use the word African DNA which means nothing. All people have some DNA which they share as we are all humans who are related.


But Nilotics have nothing to do with Nubians. Nilotic are living dirt poor and are Christian or indenigous religion. Ironic how you try to say Nubians are not related to Cushitics, even though Kush was controlled by Axum, Beja people in southern egypt and Northern Sudan are Cushitic speakers, yet you try to link Nilotics in the mix who are people have been wiped out and killed in Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan, simply because of how they looked.

axum:




lmao, you will say anything wouldn't you. Dude even the ones who are muslim still speak their own language, so do the Cushitic Beja. They have nothing to do with nilotic. You use the word African DNA which means nothing. All people have some DNA which they share as we are all humans who are related.

"The postulated genetic unity of Nilo-Saharan is now widely accepted, but its internal classification, and especially the integrity of larger units proposed by Greenberg, such as Eastern Sudanic, has been questioned. Overall historical-comparative work in the strict sense, using Neogrammarian notions of regular sound correspondences between cognate forms in related languages and notions of shared innovations in order to arrive at proper subclassifications (as developed in the comparative study of Indo-European languages), is still lacking for the family as a whole. Considerable progress has been made, however, in the comparative study of several well-established lower-level units such as Nilotic, Nubian, and Saharan. These studies have revealed such additional information as a closer historical affinity between certain branches—for example, between the Nilotic and Surmic and the Nubian and Taman groups.

A number of scholars have suggested that Nilo-Saharan forms a larger genetic unit with Niger-Congo. Some scholars also have argued that the Meroitic language—which survives only in inscriptions, as it became extinct after the Meroe kingdom (or kingdom of Cush [Kush]) fell to the expanding Ethiopian empire of Aksum in the 4th century ce—belongs to the Nilo-Saharan family."
[img]http://www.rogerblench.info/Language/Nilo-Saharan/General/Nilo-Saharan%20overall%20map.png[/img]
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/415424/Nilo-Saharan-languages

TerryCarr:

"The postulated genetic unity of Nilo-Saharan is now widely accepted, but its internal classification, and especially the integrity of larger units proposed by Greenberg, such as Eastern Sudanic, has been questioned. Overall historical-comparative work in the strict sense, using Neogrammarian notions of regular sound correspondences between cognate forms in related languages and notions of shared innovations in order to arrive at proper subclassifications (as developed in the comparative study of Indo-European languages), is still lacking for the family as a whole. Considerable progress has been made, however, in the comparative study of several well-established lower-level units such as Nilotic, Nubian, and Saharan. These studies have revealed such additional information as a closer historical affinity between certain branches—for example, between the Nilotic and Surmic and the Nubian and Taman groups.

A number of scholars have suggested that Nilo-Saharan forms a larger genetic unit with Niger-Congo. Some scholars also have argued that the Meroitic language—which survives only in inscriptions, as it became extinct after the Meroe kingdom (or kingdom of Cush [Kush]) fell to the expanding Ethiopian empire of Aksum in the 4th century ce—belongs to the Nilo-Saharan family."
[img]http://www.rogerblench.info/Language/Nilo-Saharan/General/Nilo-Saharan%20overall%20map.png[/img]
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/415424/Nilo-Saharan-languages

Nubians are not related to Nilotic people if they were they would look the same as them. The few Nilotics in Sudan are slaves, and that is why there is blue in that map. How many Nilotics ran away from North Sudan to the new country of South Sudan?


You can't claim people who look like Cushitic people, who were controlled by Axum.


Its funny you are here speaking for Nilotics because you know Bantus were never in the Horn or in North Africa.

If you talk to Bantus they will tell you they are not mixed with Nubains and that Nubians wanted to annihilate them, thus the reason why they have a country called South Sudan, but your desperate attempts to link Negroids to Cushitic and Nubians knows no bounds of reason.

axum:

Its funny you are here speaking for Nilotics because you know Bantus were never in the Horn or in North Africa.

If you talk to Bantus they will tell you they are not mixed with Nubains and that Nubians wanted to annihilate them, thus the reason why they have a country called South Sudan, but your desperate attempts to link Negroids to Cushitic and Nubians knows no bounds of reason.

nubians are treated like dirt too in egypt and sudan. if you don't speak arabic your rutana.
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/aug/31/world/fg-nubia31

The tranquil Nubian villages along this Nile River stretch are best known for the brightly painted gates that adorn many of the simple mud-brick homes. With geometric shapes and hieroglyphic-like pictures, the oversized gates hark back to the stone-carved doorways the villagers' ancestors once built on pyramids that rivaled Egypt's.

These days, however, the elaborate entryways are shadowed by black flags. Government soldiers patrol once-quiet dirt streets, occasionally drawing stones from angry youths. Protest graffiti mar the walls, including one scrawling of an AK-47 with the simple caption: "Darfur 2."

First, southern Sudan erupted in a 20-year civil war, followed by the east and, most recently, the western region of Darfur. Now many fear that Sudan's northern territory of Nubia will be the next to explode over the fight for resources and all-too-familiar accusations of "ethnic cleansing" and complaints of marginalization by an Arab-dominated government.

Tensions have been high here since soldiers opened fire on an anti-government protest of 5,000 Nubians in June, killing four young men and wounding nearly two dozen. The government has arrested nearly three dozen Nubian leaders and four journalists who were trying to cover the violence.

Now a recently formed rebel group, calling itself the Kush Liberation Front, is advocating armed resistance to overthrow the central government, which it accuses of oppressing Nubians and other indigenous peoples in Sudan.

"Our efforts will not succeed unless they are backed by military action," said Abdelwahab Adem, a Nubian former businessman and co-founder of the Kush Liberation Front. "We need to get rid of the Arabs. Our goal is to realize a new Sudan, by force if necessary."

Adem said the new movement would rely on "guerrilla fighting," targeting the capital, Khartoum, and other major Sudanese cities. He declined to specify what sort of tactics might be used or how many fighters the group has.

With a separate language and culture, Nubians view themselves as a distinct ethnic group and take pride in being one of Africa's oldest civilizations. Political observers say the budding movement appears to be taking its cue from the rebellions in Darfur and southern Sudan.

"That's the lesson of Darfur," said one Western diplomat in Khartoum, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"The government will only listen to you when you pick up a gun."

Darfur rebels are a potential source of weapons and training for the Kush Liberation Front, observers said.

"We have good relations with our brothers in Darfur," said Adem, who is based in London. But he denied receiving support from the western Sudanese rebels.

The spark for recent unrest was a government proposal to construct two or three electricity-producing dams along the Nile in the Nubian heartland, between the villages of Kajbar, about 350 miles north of Khartoum, and Dal, about 100 miles from the Egyptian border.

This fertile Nile River strip is home to an estimated 300,000 Nubians, many of whom would be forced to relocate if rising river waters swallowed scores of villages.

Also at risk are some of the world's richest archeological ruins, notably those around the ancient city of Kerma, the first Nubian capital, settled at least 8,000 years ago and lying just downstream from where the proposed 200-megawatt Kajbar dam would be built. The site is home to the oldest known man-made structure in sub-Saharan Africa: a 50-foot, 3,500-year-old mud-brick temple known as the Deffufa.

The proposals come on top of another controversial project, the 1,250-megawatt Merowe Dam, which is already under construction about 150 miles to the east. Flooding from that project will displace 70,000 Arab farmers and engulf several hundred miles of unexplored Nubian archeological sites.

"They want to cut us from our roots and flood all of Nubia and its history," said Sharif Adeen Ali, 53, a Nubian farmer in the village of Sebu. "They've done this before."

In 1964, construction of the Aswan High Dam in Egypt forced the relocation of 50,000 Sudanese Nubians in the Wadi Halfa region near the Egyptian border and nearly 800,000 Nubians in Egypt.

Nubians see the new dams as a plot by Arab governments in Sudan and Egypt to exterminate their communities and seize the land.

"The two countries have never liked having Nubians, who are not Arabs, in the middle," said Abdul Halim Sabbar, a former doctor who is part of the Kajbar Dam Resistance Committee.

In Sebu, one of the Nubian communities that would be submerged by the Kajbar dam, once-welcoming residents now peer warily at the parade of unfamiliar trucks and SUVs that speeds through town carrying Chinese engineers to a work site a mile away. Though government officials say they are only conducting a feasibility study, Chinese crews are installing giant cranes, water towers, floodlights and other equipment that suggest to villagers that construction is underway.

On a recent morning, nearly 400 government soldiers marched and drilled at a new military camp set up on the edge of Sebu to protect the Chinese workers. On hills overlooking the village, uniformed lookouts with rifles over their shoulders positioned themselves behind rocks.

"It's become very tense," said one villager, who was afraid to be identified. "Many eyes are watching."

Officials at Sudan's Dams Implementation Unit declined to comment.

A leader in Sudan's ruling party defended the dams, contending that they would help the Nubian communities by providing electricity and irrigation for farming.

"It's going to economically transform the area," said Osman Khalid Mudawi, foreign affairs chairman in Sudan's parliament. He estimated that a lake created by the dam would irrigate 750,000 acres of newly arable land.

But some scientists and environmentalists questioned whether the dams would expand food production, noting that the region's soil is mostly desert sand and granite. Farming is possible only along the riverbanks, thanks to rich silt deposits from the Nile.

A recent report by the United Nations Environmental Program noted that Sudan's existing dams suffer from declining performance because they are clogged with silt, which has proved difficult to remove. Water loss as a result of the high evaporation rates in the desert heat is another problem. Meanwhile, downstream from the dams, farm production has fallen because the soil is no longer enriched by the silt.

It's a similar story at the Aswan High Dam, where the lake created by the dam is filling with silt much faster than anticipated and downstream farmers are resorting to artificial fertilizers for the first time.

Nubians argue that the new dams are not intended to provide electricity and irrigation in Sudan, but to rescue the Aswan High Dam by capturing silt before it reaches Egypt. "These dams don't look at all like development," said Sabbar, the resistance committee member. "It's clearly part of a programmed scheme between Egypt and Sudan."

For decades, Nubians have lived in relative isolation, shunning politics and priding themselves on self-sufficiency. Some years the region found itself entirely left out of the federal budget, which is evident from the lack of paved roads and electricity. Nubians built their own hospitals and schools, though they are still prohibited by law from teaching in their native language.

The threat of renewed flooding, however, has drawn Nubians out of the political desert, and they are mobilizing for a fight.

In addition to demonstrations in Sudan, Nubians abroad are pressing the issue with the United Nations, U.S. State Department and human rights groups such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. They've protested at the Sudanese and Chinese embassies in Washington and uploaded graphic footage of the June 13 clashes on the Internet.

"We have more freedom to express ourselves than those still inside Sudan," said Nuraddin Abdulmannan, a Nubian activist who is heading the resistance committee in Washington. He says it is the duty of the international community to preserve the region's archeological sites, which include temples and pyramids built when Nubian kings briefly reigned over Egypt's pharaohs around 730 BC.

"This is an international treasure, and there's an international responsibility to protect it."

For many, the June clash with government troops was the final indignity. Witnesses said soldiers tear-gassed the noisy but peaceful demonstrators, forcing many to jump into the river to escape the fumes. When protesters began to regroup, soldiers opened fire without warning.

"It was a murder, an assassination," said Ahmed Abdullahi Ameen, 63, whose son, 28, was one of the four killed. The young man, Sheik Adeen Haj Ahmed, was shot in the back of the head as he climbed out of the river.

Many Nubians say they have little to lose. Izzadin Idriss Mohammed, 71, a Nubian activist in the village of Farig, described the tensions with an old Nubian saying: "One who is sinking in the Nile will reach for any branch to survive."

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TerryCarr:

nubians are treated like dirt too in egypt and sudan. if you don't speak arabic your rutana.
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/aug/31/world/fg-nubia31

What does this have to do with what we were talking about. Why do you always change topics when you are stuck in a corner?

Nubians are in now way related to Nilotic people, any Nilotic person would tell you that infact they hate each other.

You can tell this by the fact that Nubians are Muslim and Nilotics are not, the fact that Nubians controlled Kush, and when taken over by Axum (Cushites) they blended in as they appeared the same in appearance. Thus the reason why you have Cushitic speakers (Beja) in the same place you do nubians (Egypt and Sudan).


Why a Bantu who is a slave every where they go, is talking about Nilotics being related to Arab and Nubians who exterminated them in bizarre to me.

axum:
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What does this have to do with what we were talking about. Why do you always change topics when you are stuck in a corner?

Nubians are in now way related to Nilotic people, any Nilotic person would tell you that infact they hate each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_languages
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Lenguas_nilo-saharianas.PNG[/img]

TerryCarr:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_languages
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Lenguas_nilo-saharianas.PNG[/img]

That map proves nothing, do you not see the entire green zone. There are dots of different cultures everywhere. There are Cushitic dots in Tanzania. That dot of Nilotics in Sudan means noting in relations with them being related to or mixed with Nubians. You can tell a Nubian from Nilotic easily.

It says a lot that you are making this argument but no Nilotic is. We all know how Nilotics look like, they live in southern Ethiopia, and Kenya and look drastically different than Nubians.

axum:



That map proves nothing, do you not see the entire green zone. There are dots of different cultures everywhere. There are Cushitic dots in Tanzania. That dot of Nilotics in Sudan means noting in relations with them being related to or mixed with Nubians. You can tell a Nubian from Nilotic easily.

It says a lot that you are making this argument but no Nilotic is. We all know how Nilotics look like, they live in southern Ethiopia, and Kenya and look drastically different than Nubians.

and the the Turks look nothing like there Asian cousins


turkish


original turkic

whitemans' tricks of dividing and classifying people and things into different categories, when he (whiteman) can hardly tell the difference. go deep into your religion or culture, stady the roots of it which can not be found nowhere on the internet or in the regular libraries. when you have done that, come on unleash the light so that others may see through. the pink/whiteman is the greatest liar of what any liar can be. Black is One.

axum:



That map proves nothing, do you not see the entire green zone. There are dots of different cultures everywhere. There are Cushitic dots in Tanzania. That dot of Nilotics in Sudan means noting in relations with them being related to or mixed with Nubians. You can tell a Nubian from Nilotic easily.

It says a lot that you are making this argument but no Nilotic is. We all know how Nilotics look like, they live in southern Ethiopia, and Kenya and look drastically different than Nubians.

axum:

Which have no relations to Nilotics or Bantus. You try use the umbrella of the Sudanese nation which is multiracial to attach yourself with non Negroid people like the Beja, Nubians.

This only goes to show how stupid you are. Nubians speak a Nilo-Saharan language. Nubians are also partially Nilo-Saharan in terms of genetics.

axum:
Stop using arabized Nilotic people and labeling them Nubian. The Nubian member on this forum already said he is more related to Cushitic people and doesnt know why Bantus are talking about Nubians like their related.

They aren't arabised nilotes, they are actual Nubians.
Btw which Nubian member of this forum said they are more related to Cushitic people?

axum:

What does this have to do with what we were talking about. Why do you always change topics when you are stuck in a corner?

You're the one that brought Nubians into the subject matter, ret@rd!

axum:
Nubians are in now way related to Nilotic people, any Nilotic person would tell you that infact they hate each other.

Nubians are related to Nilo-Saharans. Nubians speak a Nilo-Saharan language.

axum:
You can tell this by the fact that Nubians are Muslim and Nilotics are not, the fact that Nubians controlled Kush, and when taken over by Axum (Cushites) they blended in as they appeared the same in appearance. Thus the reason why you have Cushitic speakers (Beja) in the same place you do nubians (Egypt and Sudan).

What has religion gotta do with genetics?

axum:
Why a Bantu who is a slave every where they go, is talking about Nilotics being related to Arab and Nubians who exterminated them in bizarre to me.

And you're a Somali. They are known for their glass chins/jaws, rancid smell, buck teeth, skinny bodies and their ability to f*ck up their own country!

axum:

Nubians are not related to Nilotic people if they were they would look the same as them.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!
Axum, just go home then go back to school. You know nothing of genetics or history for that matter. A simple lesson for you genotype (actual genetics) doesn't equal phenotype (physical features). Physical features can be used as indicator for genetic relatedness between two peoples but it can also be misleading. Papuans despite them looking like mainly Central African Bantus are more related East Asians.

TerryCarr:

and the the Turks look nothing like there Asian cousins


turkish


original turkic

Weak argument because the Ottomans took over constantinople and mixed with the Byzantines who previously held control of the city and the surrounding region.

Find a better argument