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Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by pathbisbama: 5:12am On Jan 08, 2015 |
They say there's nothing special about being a doctor, yet each department cant fight the doctors alone, it takes JOHESU (a body of all other health workers except doctors) they obviously have a common goal! To sabotage and frustrate the efforts of doctors, please give me my nurses and cleaners, I already have pathologists and radiologists, we comfortably improvise for the remaining (e.g. we have private pharmacies all around), the hospital would function optimally, no one would be missed, everyone would understand their place... D fight is ratio 1: 1000, yet relativity can't be 1:8, naija we hail thee 4 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by armadeo(m): 6:11am On Jan 08, 2015 |
seunayantokun: Mr man are you alright? Googlw surgeon general in the u.s and look at the list closely. You have once again displayed the herd mentality shown by your kind. Once a sheep jumps over a pole then other sheep jump too even after you have removed the pole. |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by armadeo(m): 6:21am On Jan 08, 2015 |
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Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by QueenAzibar(f): 7:06am On Jan 08, 2015 |
Evvilgenius:yes its sad. pharmacists in nigeria are downgrading themselves. their mates outside Nigeria are formulating new drugs, but they are satisfied with selling drug( which every tom dick and harry on d street can do) and mixing ( not making) the occassional mist mag and cough mix, and fighting doctors. 4 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Samgreguc(m): 7:25am On Jan 08, 2015 |
I see many unwise write ups here..... Its a pity... |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Samgreguc(m): 7:26am On Jan 08, 2015 |
QueenAzibar:What do you expect the pharmacist here in Nigeria to do and how? |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by BEN1986: 9:28am On Jan 08, 2015 |
So,the Chief Security Officer of the Hospital can become the CMD after spending 20years in the hospital. 4 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by babatosan: 9:50am On Jan 08, 2015 |
How can one get a copy of this report? Any link? |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by TooGood01: 11:08am On Jan 08, 2015 |
It is down in mouth that doctors are kind of euphoric high with the unfairness in the same health sector they claim to be leading. A good leader should be able to carry along and be comfortable with the progress of other members of the team. For instance, am a statistician and I do not see any reason for a doctor to cry if I become a statistical consultant later in my chosen career. To be blunt, there can't be peace without justice. It is stupid and shameful for anyone to arrogantly claim doctors have the monopoly on the consultancy title. |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Zeus777: 12:06pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
TooGood01:True, the dr cannot stop u from bcomin a "statistical consultant" or whatever type of consultant u choose to cal urself but they as the leader of the team would definitely Hv to determine if ur consultancy would be needed in an hospital setting or not 3 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by pathology(m): 12:18pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
Zeus777:zeus, can u actually define the term consultant for us layman |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Zeus777: 12:34pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
pathology:a consultant is any1 who is required to provide an expert advice in a particular field . This could range from security issues, to sanitation , legal advice e.t.c |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by pathbisbama: 2:17pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
TooGood01:the truth is to become a consultant you have to undergo some form of training, these ones want to be consultants based on years of working experience, it isn't done dat way, anywhere 4 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by nobilis: 3:39pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
The only recommendation that JOHESU won't pick a hole in is the recommendation that makes them CMD's and gives them equal pay as doctors. They always shout "international best practices" and the Nigerian public feel they are clamoring for what is right, but because of the low mentality of the average "educated" Nigerian, nobody has ever bothered to find out what these international best practices are. They want to be consultants. No one is denying them that. But will your consultancy be in tandem or will it go against that of d doctor just because u wanna show u're a consultant? Even before a doctor becomes a consultant, he undergoes rigorous training post-medical school. He doesn't become a consultant based on years of service. A medical officer (i.e. A doctor who isn't doing residency training) who hasn't undergone residency training can never become a consultant and will never receive the same salary as a consultant no matter how many years he works in a hospital and no matter how many PhD's he has. Yet the average Nigerian refuses to see this because he just enjoys being against doctors who he sees as proud. Even these JOHESU people, when they build hospitals and clinics, they look for DOCTORS to run their clinics for them. Yet when it comes to government salary, they start claiming equality with doctors. The people I pity are the nurses, cleaners, security officers because firstly, the needs of the nurses are not even at the forefront of the JOHESU agenda, even though they're the most important of the whole lot of them. Secondly, even if JOHESU's wishes are granted, a pharmacist or lab scientist will never ever allow a cleaner or a security man to be a CMD. 5 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Samgreguc(m): 5:49pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
BEN1986:Who said so? |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Samgreguc(m): 6:04pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
Have anyone here seen d report? |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by davione: 8:38pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
The preserverance of human life comes first before any struggle....doctor, nurse or technician. Every one has a specific and unique role to play in the health care system. If each one would identify and recognise just how important and relevant they are in their own field there wouldn't be need for any power tussle. let lives be saved and the strife end. |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by ceaser: 11:13pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
HilaryMedia: Well NASU has not haboured the unthinkable yet, have they? Tgey have not asked to be made the VC or Head of Academic departments yet. The day they try tge unthinkable is the day they start going down like johesu. There is unity and accord between ASUU and NASU cos the later knows their work description and held onto it. That is why the interdependence and mutual respext has existed. Matter of fact, NASU rides on the providence and tenacity of ASUU when engaging the government to also get their (NASU) demands and not by saying that they want to be equalled with the former. ASUU always encourages NASU behind the scenes not to give up when engaging the government. But what obtains in tbr health sector? johesu planning a coup and expecting the government to be indifferent. I mean where on this earth does that happen? You can't just wake up one day and say you wan to start residency without willing to "do residency in tge real sense of it". That is by giving up your permanent employment, run your program for nothing less than four years and be ready to be booted out of that facility in renewed search for job the moment you become a "consultant". You must be ready to stay non-pensionable. I mean, you can't eat your cake and have it. That'll be gross injustice. 3 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by ceaser: 11:20pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
seunayantokun: Don't you get it? The yayale report was drafted in accordance woth what obtains in those countries you mentioned. At least that is what you've always been clamourimg for and still clamours for, going by your entreaties to the FG. You demanded what obtains internationally, it was given to you. So what else do you want? 5 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by ceaser: 11:34pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
TooGood01: Since you're a statistician, it'll be nice of you read my write up two posts up. No single doctor is against johesuites becoming a xonsultant. The proviso is that it be done the right way (or at least the way it's currently being run in the health sector) and not thru cutting corners or going thru the back door. Pls note that this is necessary in order to entrench professionalism and discipline in the would be "consultant" pharmacist/nurse/lab technician/cleaner/security etc. This is really a very simple arguement to understand. 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Samgreguc(m): 11:43am On Jan 09, 2015 |
ceaser:wow! A Pharmacist is nw synonymous to NASU. . . Is dat so? |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Zeus777: 2:16pm On Jan 09, 2015 |
Samgreguc:u ve been economical wt ur contribution since this thread started. Why don't u just make ur point |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by pathology(m): 3:07pm On Jan 09, 2015 |
Zeus777: what re the requirement to make one a consultant |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by pathology(m): 3:14pm On Jan 09, 2015 |
ceaser:. during your residency, ARE U SPONSORING URSELF OR GOVT IS SPONSORING U BY PAYING UR SALARY, EXAMS, REVISION COURSES ETC.? |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Zeus777: 4:00pm On Jan 09, 2015 |
pathology:requirement varies wt discipline. There are fellowship or specialty curriculum that is determined by a governing body. One would usually takes some yrs of studies and some examinations after which one is conferred the status of a specialist in a field ; note that no examination body awards any1 individual a consultant . U are only regarded a specialist in a particular field . U ideally referred to as a consultant only when a firm, school , hospital e.t.c feels a need for ur specialty and then consults u hence u bcom a consultant to that firm |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Zeus777: 4:11pm On Jan 09, 2015 |
pathology:in medical residency Govt pay for ur revision courses and of Ofcourse a resident dr gets paid salaries cos while studyin he is also expected to treat patients, take calls , do surgeries e.t.c hence while still training to bcome a specialist he also treats patients; which is the main reason y d patient came to d hospital in the 1st place . Also note that a medical residence is disengaged from duty ( he bcomes unemployed ones he/she passes d fellowship exam.) A FRESH SPECIALIST Dr IS SYNONYMOUS TO AN UNEMPLOYED INDIVIDUAL . He would go around wt his or her now specialist certificate to look for job afresh in order to be referenced as consultants. He cannot force the govt or any institution to consult him or her. This johesu ppl wants "residency" but do not seem to understand what it entails. Would they be willin for govt to convert their present permanent employment to a temporary one and then start lookn for job afresh when they bcom "specialist" in whatever field they get to choose?? I doubt that strongly!! |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by phantom(m): 4:21pm On Jan 09, 2015 |
Zeus777: the bolded is the main thing? are they ready NO!!! no JOHESUite will want to be a temporary staff because of consultancy... |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Oduduwaboy(m): 9:37pm On Jan 09, 2015 |
Samgreguc:Hmmm. since the day you descended as low as to join johesu, a lot of doctors lost respect for you guys. We always saw you guys as equals right from the university days. At least in Ife those days we knew you guys also passed through the furnace, but things began to change when you started joining the middle-level man-power lab technicians & cleaners to subvert doctors! 5 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Zeus777: 10:01pm On Jan 09, 2015 |
Oduduwaboy... Very very well said . I also remember those days in ife but now they seem to Hv blown it! |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by enny09: 7:16am On Jan 10, 2015 |
yayale was told to resolve the problem in the health sector, the commitee should have carry all health practioner along and even make sure every practioner in the health are satisfy with d outcome b4 releasing the report, definately the outcome of this report have already failed since it has not met the main aim of setting up the commitee, what a waste of money on this committee since johesu making more than 90% of the work force in the health sector rejected it, the committee did not solve any problem but now we are back to where we are b4, and the president is relying on this report to solve d problem in health sector definately jonathan is far from solving the problem in our health sector. |
Re: JOHESU Picks Holes In Yayale Ahmed Report! by Samgreguc(m): 11:18am On Jan 10, 2015 |
Oduduwaboy:Lol.... You are indeed funny. Before JOHESU came to been did the Nigerian Physicians ever accord the Pharmacist her respect? And talking about heading a hospital? Do you mean those reading Hospital Administration are fools? |
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