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Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by phineas: 1:51pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
Onegai: I was waiting for your rejoinder and I am not surprised,2 things: Firstly I cannot and will not discuss the issues and challenges of this profession with an untrained mediocre. It will be like discussing physics with someone in crèche with the antecedent hair pulling and name calling too, or trying to explain economics to an IQ below 70. I hope You understand me clearly.. 2ndly bring one of those your esteemed consultants (who by the way are my colleagues) to read your write up so far and comments on this thread.If they are open and have the time for an online discussion to corroborate your opinions so far,Then we may be able to achieve some measure of progress. That will be all (till then) (and in case you missed it) this post means I'll leave your foolishness for anyone reading comments and enlightened on this things to decipher.... 2 Likes |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by papaejima1: 2:09pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
That report couldn't have been written by a Doctor Chai, see finishing. Covers my head in shame for my country's doctors. Abi na Babalawo write the report? |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by Onegai(f): 2:20pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
@Phineas lol, only insults are your reply. Please, pm me your name and your hospital. If you are so sure I am being malicious and making up these tales to discredit my uncles, aunts, brothers and one sister (whom are all doctors, specialists) just to prove a point on NL, you will be happy to let me pass on your info to them and confidently state all you have said here. I am always on the side of doctors, I understand their plight. Those who know me on this forum will acknowledge that I have even tried to encourage the public to help out by donating items such as hand sanitisers and cleaning crews for Primary Healthcare centres. I have a dream of one day the public being in charge of LUTH and running it NHS style, with a board of directors accountable. I have wanted to speak to ER staff and ask if they would be willing to come to Nigeria to organize free trainings (paid for by churches, the public and more) for their Nigerian counterparts. I know the problems of the medical field in Nigeria and doctors are also part of the problem. They must be willing to accept some share of the blame and do their part. I'm no expert, but I've listened to experts and I'm tired of people dying due to easily preventable illnesses. I'm ashamed that foreigners are setting up healthcare centres in Nigeria and that I saw an ad on NL advertising common Appendectomy. I'm tired and I feel strongly we need a change in every sphere in Nigeria. No, that's not Politics, Nigerians need to change their mindset 4 Likes |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by ziga: 2:41pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
dumodust: We don't have to get too medical here. The kid was in the hospital before his wound got infected. The hospital was supposed to prevent or treat his infection. If this was done, the mother would not have taken home elsewhere. The mother had concerns about the foul odor from the wound which was not addressed at LASUTH. This is enough to be mad about. We don't have the culture results, so we can't really talk about what organism was grown to make the Indian Docs believe it was hospital acquired. We need to be more accountable for the things we do or don't. And from our leaders down to the common man, this is not part of our culture. 1 Like |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by armadeo(m): 2:45pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
^^^ While I agree that there's a lot of problems in the health sector. I feel your opinions are a bit one sided. The U.S. has its issues too and those Indians are seeking patronage from Nigerians. How did they know the infection came from laauth and not the dogs mouth. The process of infection management is pretty straight forward though you may have resistant strains of microbes to deal with prolonging recovery time. Secondly most health care practitioners in developed nations are liable to be sued for mismanagement hence their high fees. To get good service you pay good money. That's why private clinics cost more. In a private clinic the dr can tell his nurse to dress a wound 20 times a day she dare not disobey while in give hospital by the time for second dressing the nurse hasn't finished her initial round due to patient overload and understaffing. Who do you blame? All in all I feel this issue should be investigated and the source if that comment be traced, it could be an exaggeration from the father as its hearsay there's no written prrof to the alleged statement. God bless Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by armadeo(m): 2:47pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
ziga: A badly infected wound would always smell. We don't k ow if the infection was hospital acquired or not. There lies the issue. |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by ziga: 2:57pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
armadeo: The fact that the wound was badly infected while the kid was getting health care (Mum complained about the foul odor) and the infection was not adequately controlled until the mother had to take the child out of the hospital is the issue. If the wound got better, and mum wasn't misinformed, she wouldn't have a bad story to tell. Did the kid get the care that he was supposed to get? Healthcare in Nigeria is in pieces and we have to take responsibility to make it better. 2 Likes |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by DrMattews: 3:07pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
mekadinho:this is not true . please dont generalise |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by Nobody: 3:37pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
duni04:It's appalling, honestly. |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by SIRTee15: 3:38pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
@op please lets get some things clear. -There's no big deal in managing animal bite wound. its all about aggressive wound dressing and subsequent grafting(that's if the wound is deep) after adequate granulation. Any plastic surgeon can do this and do not need any special treatment in india or anywhere else for that matter. -The child was treated in a world class PRIVATE hospital in india and NOT an indian govt hospital. A world class private hospital here in naija that has a plastic surgeon in its pay roll will equally do a good job. - I'm sure when the poor boy was admitted in LASUTH, the father had nothing on him except a promisory note from Gov Fashola that the boys medical expenses will be paid by the govt. Now, anybody who knows how govt works in naija will know that fashola's statement was merely political and will most likely not be honored in any govt establishment. Rather, the boy's father will be expected to provide for the dressing materials and antibiotics needed to treat his child. Something he failed to do. if at all he will be reimbursed by the lagos state govt, that will not be immediate due to bureaucratic process that delays such payments. Neither LASUTH nor the medical staffs will eat promisory notes, but they wont complain. Fashola is their employer, thus they will continue to do whatever they can to help the poor boy. Obviously their effort was too weak to have any effect.. The boy was flown to india with an adequate treasury chest backed by delta state governor. if he had gone to india with promisory notes, he would also have been rejected. pls, lets be fair in our comments. thanks. note, I'm not exonerating our medical staffs, but as far as this case is concerned it has financial constraint written all over it. I'll come back and reply that girl called onegal (she's just spamming nonsense all over the thread) and also profer solutions on ailing heathcare system. 2 Likes |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by ziga: 3:45pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
SIRTee15: There are lots of speculations here. But I think we all agree that the kid got suboptimal care. Do you think the Nigerian health system failed in this situation to provide adequate care? 1 Like |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by duni04(m): 4:14pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
armadeo:The point is the boy was at LASUTH long enough for any infection resulting from the bite to have been treated. Did you read the part where the boys father described the attitude of the nurses when treating the wound? They would leave the wound open and wait for hours for the doctor to have a final say. |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by SIRTee15: 4:16pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
ziga:I followed the case the major problem was paucity of funds. and in a out-of-pocket healthcare delivery system we run in this country. I'm sorry, no money no care. the father complained that despite fashola's promise his son wasn't getting adequate care. the surgeon managing the case said the boy needed surgery. if the surgeon managing the boy said he needed surgery, then why didn't he do it? financial constraint. the surgeon didn't say he needed surgery abroad. medical tourism to india was an after thought. the reason why the father cried out was financial help. forget all these indian hospitals they can say anything to promote their medical tourism industry. they even give commissions to their agents here in naija depending on the number of patients you can attract to india. |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by dumodust(m): 4:17pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
ziga: Even with the best care, that was a dirty ragged wound and there's a 40-50% chance of infection despite the best care...if it was a surgical wound that became subsequently infected, i will understand but not a dog attack wound, not by one dog but several!which other thing will infect it if the patient stays long in the hospital? Infected dirty wounds can have a foul odour and hospital acquired infections are had to treat because they are resistant to most antibiotics except few which may be costly. Google dirty wounds and infection rate because I don't understand your point. Infections are a problem worldwide and that's how indians market themselves... the way they talk, you will think they can make the boy scarless. I dont know about lasuth dressing practices but there are rules... unless soaked, once or twice daily dressing is ok. If someone was now negligent with dressing, na their wahala but indians na winch ... do they have a video canera in nigeria to know where the infection is from? |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by duni04(m): 4:23pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
SIRTee15:I've actually learnt more from her posts than anyone else's. I don't get the promissory notes part. Are you referring to the consultants that would have handled the plastic surgery or the normal doctors and nurses that should have treated the infection? Are you suggesting that doctors and nurses pay for the drugs and the treatment from their own pockets? Aren't they paid by the government? If their employer, the government, tells them to take a case pro bono, I don't understand why the boys father would have had to pay for the dressing or antibiotics. |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by klbakare(m): 4:28pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
Am actually expecting all those yeye nigerian doctors on nairaland to come and ask for the same pay as their counterparts in foreign countries. Lazy bunch of a**holes. |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by SIRTee15: 4:44pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
duni04: There's nothing like free health care in govt hospitals. The patients pay for everything especially drugs, medical supplies and surgeries Unfortunately, we run an out-of-pocket healthcare delivery system(cash and carry) even in emergencies. That means if u are without money, u will be denied treatment. fashola went on air and announced LSG will sponsor the child's treatment. The question is did he back that statement up with political and financial will? The answer is no. Of course, the M.D of LASUTH will not come on air and contradict his boss. Everybody will expect the father to do the needful. Simply pay for your child's treatment. |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by ziga: 4:59pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
dumodust: If a wound grows MRSA. I know it was hospital acquired. Depending on cultures, you can determine where an infection likely came from. There are lots of organisms that can only be carried by humans. Nigerian hospitals lack basic facilities. Hand sanitizers, gloves. Even water to wash your hands. Let's not pretend like the infection couldn't have been hospital acquired. I'm not here to argue medical facts. Dirty wounds have a high chance of infection. I know that. And that is what we are there to prevent. And that is why the kid must have been admitted. Or else he would be home. Most wounds can be dressed once a day. But wound dressing will only go so far if the infection was so bad. And the bottom line is that if lasuth handled this matter the way it should have been handled, there wouldn't be any story. Its that simple. 2 Likes |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by JustCurious: 5:33pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
ttmacoy:Not Health Sector Not Power Sector Not Education Not even Aviation BUT Political Party/Department (APC, PDP, APGA, KOWA) seems to be the only sector working efficiently as it should, in Nigeria. There's always enough fund for political intent, campaign etc. Application Form sales in Millions of Naira doesn't scare them. So many things seem to work so well in that sector. Such a good sector to invest rigorously, for higher dividend. Unfortunately, not even a charity organisation gets as much Billions as they get during Fundraising exercise. *sic* 3 Likes |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by dumodust(m): 6:44pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
ziga:you dont get my point, I'm not defending lasuth or saying Nigerian hospital hygiene practices and nosocomial infection prevention habits are perfect... I'm saying that blaming nigerian physicians solely for that outcome is nonsense in view of the reasons u gave . Nigerians have made it a habit of judging what they dont understand from our fake reporters in the media. I 've seen patients from india surgical wound infections too but they're making it look like indian govt hospitals dont have issues too. A good big private hospital in nigeria would have handled it well. Ask them how much that was paid in india to get such care and ckmoare it to cost here maybe all nigerians should start going to india self make person rest |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by innocent1(m): 7:32pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
Jenams: I can determine your age with your comment. You are not more than 12 years old if you think that way. Ask yourself the meaning of Omonigho and the language that defines it maybe then you will know the state. You are still studying GST121 and you think you know everything. BABY! |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by innocent1(m): 7:39pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
Jenams:I can determine your age with your comment. You are not more than 12 years old if you think that way. Ask yourself the meaning of Omonigho and the language that defines it maybe then you will know the state. You are still studying GST121 and you think you know everything. BABY! |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by armadeo(m): 9:16pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
duni04: ziga: i am not holding brief for anyone. in my previous post i mentioned the possibility of resistant strains causing infection. no patient wants to hear this and his concern is i am not getting better dr is speaking grammar. it is also possible that the staff treating this child displayed a nonchalant attitude which i have also seen personally. the point is nobody can be sure what happened in this case as there are two sides to every story. i agree the healthcare industry needs total overhauling. |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by armadeo(m): 9:23pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
duni04: ggood points. heres a post i made earlier on. note the bolded. happydays1: You have to be kidding me In other news Indian drs be insulting Nigerian drs because of medical tourism. Nigerians as usual never respect the prophet at home, always quick to shift blame and lay abuse. Though some drs are assholes and nurses are real witches ( psians). This doesn't make every medical staff inefficient or evil It struck my mind over the complaint of payment by the father after instructions from the governor and I laughed and laughed. When its time to balance account cmd would be scratching his head. He no get that time Oga governor for release funds. You guys have no idea how govt works at all. i suspect the major problem was funding despite the order from above. many peeps dont know how this stuff works. |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by ziga: 10:00pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
dumodust: I agree and I understand your point. Lots of missing facts in the case. And we both agree that Nigerian Doctors could have done better. I also know that there is a lot of doctor bashing by people who have no understanding of medical facts. I am however, not taking any stance regarding the faults of the other members of the team. Regardless of what people might argue, Doctors are the head of the health team. And if we want to be CMDs, we should also be willing to take the overall fall for malpractices in the hospital. And we should lead the way in bringing about reform. And that is why my stand regarding this issue is that regardless of who was deficient, the Doctors managing are responsible for picking up on the fact that the said child was not getting better and try to make the necessary adjustments. I know some of the limitations in our Nigerian health system, and that is why I said they should try. 2 Likes |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by Nobody: 12:36am On Feb 01, 2015 |
Reading through all the comments on this thread, I can establish that most people have watched too many movies and judge Nigerian healthcare standards by what they see on foreign Tv. We do our best and I can proudly say that there's almost no medical condition that we can't handle at Lasuth. Yes, some systemic woes here and there but we won't lose credit over a dog bite. |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by ttmacoy: 4:06am On Feb 01, 2015 |
Haha true talk. Oh one more thing that works, churches and their ability to take in money. JustCurious: 1 Like |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by SIRTee15: 1:47pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
twoondei: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by ArcToyin(m): 10:14pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
wazoboy:but they can protest for their allowance. Smh |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by ArcToyin(m): 10:17pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Barselonia:the spirit of motherhood is at work |
Re: Boy Attacked By Dogs Got Infection At Lasuth - Indian Hospital by ArcToyin(m): 10:19pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
I pray for quick recovery for him. |
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