'We Palestinian Christians say Allahu Akbar'

The only Palestinian Orthodox Christian bishop in the Holy Land speaking about the suffering of Palestinian Christians, their unity with Muslims in the Palestinian struggle, about Orthodox Christian martyrs, and Ukraine.

Archbishop Sebastia Theodosios (Atallah Hanna), 49, is the only Orthodox Christian archbishop from Palestine stationed in Jerusalem and the Holy Land, while all other bishops of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem are Greeks. The Israeli authorities had detained him several times, or stopped him at the border, and taken away his passport. Among all Jerusalem clergymen he is the only one who has no privilege of passing through the VIP gate in the airport – because of his nationality. “For the Israeli authorities, I am not a bishop, but rather a Palestinian,” explains his Beatitude. When talking on the phone he says a lot of words you would normally hear from a Muslim: “Alhamdulillah, Insha’Allah, Masha’Allah”. He speaks Arabic, and the Arabic for ‘god’ is Allah, whether you are a Christian or a Muslim.

Your Beatitude, what’s it like being the Palestinian bishop in the Holy Land?

Firstly, I’d like to confirm that I am the only Palestinian bishop in the Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem. A fellow bishop is serving in the city of Irbid in the north of Jordan; and there are also several Palestinian priests.

I take pride in belonging to this great religious institution that’s over 2,000 years old.

My church has been protecting the Christian presence in the Holy Land and the sacred items related to the life of Christ and Christian Church history.

I am proud of my religion and nationality, I am proud to belong to my fatherland. I am a Palestinian, and I belong to this religious people who are fighting for the sake of their freedom and dignity to implement their dreams and national rights.

I support Palestinians and share their cause and their issues. We the Palestinian Orthodox Christians are not detached from their hardships.

The Palestinian issue is a problem that concerns all of us, Christians and Muslims alike. It’s a problem of every free intellectual individual aspiring for justice and freedom in this world.

We the Palestinian Christians suffer along with the rest of Palestinians from occupation and hardships of our economic situation. Muslims and Christians suffer equally, as there is no difference in suffering for any of us. We are all living in the same complicated circumstances, and overcoming the same difficulties.

As a church and as individuals we protect this people, and we hope a day will come when Palestinians get their freedom and dignity.

For those coming to visit the Holy Land there are few opportunities to see how hard the Palestinians’ situation is. What would you like to say to those wishing to understand better the Palestinian problem?

The Israel authorities treat the Palestinian people in a way we can never accept or approve, first and foremost because Israel treats Palestinians as foreigners, as if we were strangers in our land.

Palestinians have never been strangers either to Jerusalem or to the entire homeland. Israel is an occupation force which treats us as visitors or some temporary residents. But we are the native people of this land. We didn’t come here, we have always been here. In contrast, Israel appeared out of the blue.

They are treating us as if we came here from elsewhere, as if we accidentally and recently strayed into this land. But we are the rightful owners of this land. We didn’t intrude into Israel. Israel intruded into our lives in 1948, and in 1967 it occupied Eastern Jerusalem. We have been here long before Israel. By the time Israel came here, our forefathers had been living here for many centuries.

This is why we cannot accept Israel treating us like strangers to our own homeland. I shall be honest and say it over again: both Christians and Muslims suffer the same from the Israeli authorities.

Is visiting Jerusalem as difficult to a Christian Palestinian from the West Bank as for a Muslim?

They don’t ask if a person arriving from Beit Jala or Ramallah to Jerusalem is a Christian or a Muslim. They only ask one question, “Do you have a permit to enter Jerusalem or not?”

The pass allowing a Palestinian to enter Jerusalem is issued by Israel. No one can come through without one. In pursuing its racist policy towards the Palestinian people Israel disregards different confessions. We are all targeted just the same. It all depends on getting a pass, whether you’re a Christian or a Muslim.

We all are their targets.

On top of that, Israel took control of a lot of property of the Orthodox Christian Church and is interfering with the internal affairs of the Church. They put pressure on the Palestinian Christians in all sorts of ways trying to force them to leave.

There is only one cause of suffering for both Christians and Muslims in the Holy Land.

The recent attack on the French satirical magazine triggered a wave of anti-Muslim marches in Europe. Netanyahu walked in the front row of such a march. What it your attitude to what happened?

We denounce the attacks in Paris which were committed by the people allegedly representing a particular religion.

But they do not represent any religion – they are murderers.

This attack was committed by the people, who claimed to have faith, but they definitely don’t represent Islam and cannot act on behalf of Islam, they only do harm and hurt the image of Islam through what they do.

At the same time, we denounce just as much terrorist operations in Syria and Iraq as we denounce the terrorist attacks in Paris.

Those who committed the terror attack in Paris and elsewhere, belong to the same groups that are engaged in terrorism in Syria and Iraq and attack sacred places, desecrate churches and kidnap religious leaders.

They attack women and children in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq.

We were witnesses of the terror act in Lebanon’s Tripoli just days ago which killed dozens of innocent people who were at a café.

We condemn the terror attacks in Paris and we equally condemn any such attacks in any part of the world. We strongly oppose the idea of connecting these attacks to Islam.

We are currently preparing for an international conference that religious figures – Christian, Muslim and Judaist –from many countries will take part in to assert that we, the representatives of the three monotheistic religions, are against terror, fanaticism and violence used under religious slogans. The conference might take place in Amman, Jordan.

To a Western mind, Allahu Akbar sounds like a threat. What do Christians of the Holy Land think about them?

We Christians also say Allahu Akbar. This is an expression of our understanding that the Creator is great. We don’t want this phrase to be related to terrorism and crimes.

We refuse to associate these words with massacres and murders.

We speak against using this phrase in this context. Those who do, they insult our religion and our religious values.

Those using these words while taking some unreligious, unspiritual, uncivilized actions are harming the religion.

Allahu Akbar is an expression of our faith.

One must not use these words for non-religion-related purposes in order to justify violence and terror.

Do people say Allahu Akbar in church?

Of course.

For us, Allah is not an Islamic term. This is a word used in Arabic to indicate the Creator who’s made the world we are living in. So when we say Allah in our prayers we mean the Creator of this world.

In our prayers and pleas, in our Orthodox Christian religious ceremonies we use exactly this word. We say, glory be to Allah in all times. We say Allah a lot during our liturgy. It’s erroneous to think that the word Allah is only used by Muslims.

We the Arab Christians say Allah in our Arabic language as a way to identify and address the Creator in our prayers.

Is this all about Christ? Was he the one to provoke a religious split in the Holy Land? Christians and Muslims recognize that Jesus Christ had been born, and they are awaiting his second coming, and the judgment day. Jews deny this however, and await their Messiah.

We Christians believe that Jesus has already come. We have recently celebrated Christmas as a reminder that Jesus came into this world, that he was born in Bethlehem, and began his road here in the Holy Land for the sake of all mankind, and for the salvation of the world.

So as far as we are concerned, Jesus has already come.

Jews believe that he hasn’t come yet, and await his coming. This is the main disagreement between Jews and us. We believe that Jesus has already come, whereas they don’t.

Despite this fact, we are not at war with Jews. We do not express aggression against Jews or anyone else in the world, despite any differences in our beliefs.

We pray for those who disagree with us.

When Jesus came into this world he didn’t tell us to hate, ignore, or be at war with one or the other; he didn’t tell us to kill this one or that one. He gave us one very simple instruction: to love one another. When Jesus told us to love one another this love wasn’t conditioned by what a person was like, or what he was doing. If we are indeed true Christians it is our debt to love all people, and to treat them with positivity, and with love.

When we see someone who’s sinful, lost, and distant from Allah and from faith, someone who acts wrongly, then it is our duty to pray for him although he might be different from us and our religion. When we have religious disagreements with people we pray that Allah would guide them the right way. Hatred, anger, and accusations of having a wrong faith are not a part of our ethics as Christians. This is the key disagreement and difference between the Jewish religion and ours. The Jewish religion that had existed before Christ is the religion of people who were awaiting Jesus’ coming. Many Jews followed him, yet there were those who didn’t believe in him, and rejected him.

We know that Jesus was persecuted, and so were the early Christians. For instance, Herod the King killed thousands of babies in Bethlehem thinking that Jesus would be among them. The book of the Acts of the Apostles, as well as sacred tradition, talk about numerous instances of persecution of early Christians.

Despite that, we see each person who disagrees with us on religion as our brother, our fellow human. Allah created all of us, he gave us life, therefore it is our duty to love each person, and to pray for those who are mistaken or are misunderstanding, so that Allah would guide them the right way.

Is that why Christians and Muslims are persecuted?

We don’t divide the Palestinian people based on who is Christian and who is Muslim, who is religious and who isn’t, who is left or what party they are a member of. We don’t divide the people based on convictions and religion.

For the resistance it doesn’t matter whether they are Muslim or Christian.

Regardless of what their political views may be, all Palestinians actively support the idea that the Palestinian people should be able to exercise their rights and achieve their dream.

Yes, a number Christians have been killed since 1948 to this day. Some Christians have been driven away from their houses. Some Christian villages have been completely destroyed, and now there’s not a single house or resident there, for example, Al Galil in the Golan Heights.

Many churches have been attacked in Jerusalem; there have been attempts to seize their property and lands.

There are Christians in Israeli prisons – not as many as Muslims, but there are some. The Christian community is smaller in general, but we have our own martyrs who were killed and prisoners who spent years and years behind bars.

Christians suffer under the Israeli occupation just the same as Muslims – the entire Palestinian population suffers under it. They don’t distinguish between us.

Are there any special aspects when it comes to Christians living in the Holy Land?

Here’s one of the many examples, connected to the Russian Orthodox Church.

The Holy Trinity Cathedral located in the western part of Jerusalem belonged to the Russian Orthodox Church, but after 1948 Israel used the situation in Russia to its advantage and seized some of the buildings around the Cathedral, using them as police quarters and a prison with torture practices.

When someone says “moskobiya”, referring to something connected to the Moscow Patriarchate, something holy and spiritual, the first thing that comes to the mind of a Palestinian living in Jerusalem is torture, police, interrogation and prison.

In Nazareth, for example, the word “moskobiya” is associated exclusively with the old Russian school where the Palestinian cultural elite, scientists and politicians studied. Although it was closed after the 1917 Revolution in Russia, its fame lives on.

So it’s only for the Palestinians in Jerusalem.

What do Palestinian Christians, I mean Orthodox Christians first of all, think of the Ukraine crisis?

Overall, we are deeply concerned with the divide in Ukraine. We still believe all Ukrainian Christians must stay within the fold of the Mother Church that is the Moscow Patriarchate.

I wish the Ukraine crisis would resolve through dialogue so that we see reconciliation and an end to violence and bloodshed.

Christians do not need wars, killings and massacres. This political crisis must be resolved in a peaceful way. The Church must work hard to ensure that the divisions are bridged and overcome.

The Orthodox Church in Ukraine is strong because most of the people preach Orthodox Christianity.

Divisions must be healed. We really hope that the efforts by the Moscow Patriarchate and the Patriarchate of Constantinople will help to re-unite the Ukrainian Church.

I believe the split can be reversed and those who broke away could come back. But in order for that to happen we need humility, belief and strong will.

We pray for the Orthodox Church in Ukraine.

http://rt.com/op-edge/227871-palestinian-orthodox-christian-bishop/

First, what is tbaba doing here after you have closed your section to ''infidels''? Now you want to interact with them.

A church that says 'allau akbar' is not the church of Christ. We are not so taught in the Bible. Besides, our Lord Jesus is not into competition with any other gods, so there is no reason to say He is great or greatest.

Y not teach us and tell us y muhammed bleeped / raped a 9 years old child, and even thighing ge to discharge semen? Y not tell us y d saudi king broke muhammed record by marrying not only more dan 4 wives as stipulated by d koran, buh surpassed muhammed ya prophet of old? Tink and worry abt dis den we talk abt ya no news.

truthman2012:
First, what is tbaba doing here after you have closed your section to ''infidels''? Now you want to interact with them.

A church that says 'allau akbar' is not the church of Christ. We are not so taught in the Bible. Besides, our Lord Jesus is not into competition with any other gods, so there is no reason to say He is great or greatest.

Does that make all arab christians, non christians??

They all use Allah for God.

tbaba1234:


Does that make all arab christians, non christians??

They all use Allah for God.

As I have said earlier, no true church of Christ would say "allau akbar" It was nowhere said by Christians in the Bible, whose example we are following today. Our God is not in competition with any other gods as muslims' allah, hence they praise him saying "allau akbar" after destroying
other idols and retaining his father's own.

It is true Allah in Arabic means God. It is also true the Arabs call whatever they believe as God 'Allah'. Allah had been worshiped in Kaaba before the advent of Muhammad. He was among the 360 gods in there. The same Allah was the god being worshiped in Muhammad's family.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 087, Hadith Number 111.

Narrated By 'Aisha : The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light.[b]He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights.[/b]He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous... up to... that which he knew not." (96.15)

Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza bin Qusai. Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, "O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew." Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" The Prophet described whatever he had seen........................

We know Mutaleb, Muhammad's grandfather as an idol worshiper. His son Abdullai also an idol worshiper. The word Abdullai means servant of Allah, given to him by his father (Mutaleb), an idol worshiper. It is therefore very clear that Abudullai was named after Mutaleb's god, allah.

As you can see from the above hadith, Muhammad was an adherent of allah even before the 'truth' descended upon him. He went to worship allah and the truth that came upon him was the continuation of worship of the same allah.

Muhammad came back home with pains following his encounter with Gabriel, that was a demonic encounter. No other prophets had such painful experience with the true God's angel.

Because God is called allah in Arabic is the confusion the Devil throws to the world. Many people including ignorant Christians believe that Muhammad's allah (the one that was among 360 idols in Kaaba) is the same as the allah of the Arab Christians. The Arabs' Christian Allah has a Son as contained in their Bible, but Muhammad's Allah has none. It is a coincidence of name.

Lol, see as the so called Bishop stylishly avoid saying that "Jesus was crucified and resurrected ". I trust He dare not say that!
The man is only saving his skin, no true Christian, Bible believing Christian will ever say "Allahu Akbar ",let alone say it in church!
It's like telling a Muslim to say "Jesus is Lord!

truthman2012:


As I have said earlier, no true church of Christ would say "allau akbar" It was nowhere said by Christians in the Bible, whose example we are following today. Our God is not in competition with any other gods as muslims' allah, hence they praise him saying "allau akbar" after destroying
other idols and retaining his father's own.

It is true Allah in Arabic means God. It is also true the Arabs call whatever they believe as God 'Allah'. Allah had been worshiped in Kaaba before the advent of Muhammad. [s]He was among the 360 gods in there. The same Allah was the god being worshiped in Muhammad's family.[/s]

Nonsense, when will you stop spewing ignorance??

Arab christians and jews used Allah even before the advent of Islam..

The Arabs knew Allah even before Islam as the supreme creator, idols were supposed to be intercessors to God.

Mintayo:
Lol, see as the so called Bishop stylishly avoid saying that "Jesus was crucified and resurrected ". I trust He dare not say that!
The man is only saving his skin, no true Christian, Bible believing Christian will ever say "Allahu Akbar ",let alone say it in church!
It's like telling a Muslim to say "Jesus is Lord!

If a christian can say God is great in English.

An Arab christian can say Allahu akbar...

tbaba1234:


If a christian can say God is great in English.

An Arab christian can say Allahu akbar...

oga we christian don't know allah, we don't serve a fukcing moon god, we serve a true living God so pls stop confusing yaself, ma God won't tell me to sleep/rape a 9 years old child! Ma God won't and didn't ask me to kill a non christian or a muslim. Ma God did not ask me to force people to serve him. Stop sayin shit, allah is a bleeped god.

tbaba1234:


If a christian can say God is great in English.

An Arab christian can say Allahu akbar...

It's only ignorant Christian that will say such, especially christains in a densely populated Muslim country.

tbaba1234:


Nonsense, when will you stop spewing ignorance??

Arab christians and jews used Allah even before the advent of Islam..

The Arabs knew Allah even before Islam as the supreme creator, idols were supposed to be intercessors to God.

I have taken it to mean that you admitted other points as you could only comment on a few ones.

@the bolded: educate us now! I qouted an authoritative hadith to support my points, is that what you called ignorance? Smh! Keep deceiving yourself. This is the usual lame defence by muslims.

Now, are you interested in knowing more about islam, the real truth? Come here: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pagan_Origins_of_Islam

Then come back and educate us.

Allahu Akbar.
On my behalf and the good christian Bishop's.

tbaba1234:


Nonsense, when will you stop spewing ignorance??

Arab christians and jews used Allah even before the advent of Islam..

The Arabs knew Allah even before Islam as the supreme creator, idols were supposed to be intercessors to God.

is this what you understand from his post? Am surprise. Yes God in Arabic is Allah, but the points is this, there nature is far opposites from each other, is like the different between life and death.

tbaba1234:


Nonsense, when will you stop spewing ignorance??

Arab christians and jews used Allah even before the advent of Islam..

The Arabs knew Allah even before Islam as the supreme creator, idols were supposed to be intercessors to God.

is this what you understand from his post? Am surprise. Yes God in Arabic is Allah, but the points is this, there nature is far opposites from each other, is like the different between life and death.

Truthman2012. God bless you.

Abuamam:
Allahu Akbar.
On my behalf and the good christian Bishop's.

Smh!

A spiritually ignorant bishop.

malvisguy212:
is this what you understand from his post? Am surprise. Yes God in Arabic is Allah, but the points is this, there nature is far opposites from each other, is like the different between life and death.

Truthman2012. God bless you.

Thank you bro, God bless you too.

Where is tbaba na? He has picked race.

truthman2012:


Thank you bro, God bless you too.

Where is tbaba na? He has picked race.

Amen. No one can reply your first post.

Abuamam:
Allahu Akbar.
On my behalf and the good christian Bishop's.

wad has lite got to do wif darkness. We can never call almighty God allah, its not possible! So stop fooling ya self rapist

No sentiment but we still translate "Jesus' disciple" as "almajeri Yesu" in the north here despite the almajeri identity.

I still believe that the salutation "peace be unto you" remains "salam aleykum". Like JeruSalem is city of peace.

I don't know sha. It is well in Jesus name.

I'm of the opinion that the op's write up hasn't been given a fair consideration.


It is okay for an Arab christian to say "Allahu Akbar" if the christian truly believes he is worshiping Yahweh. There is no need for us christians to be hung up on a trivial issue.

However, I am not surprised about the harsh treatment the op is receiving. I believe that it is not everyone that is happy at the strict treatment of non-muslims on the islam section and they are using the anger on the op.

Salaam

The day Palestinians achieve their aims In the struggle and become a Palestinian state and the Bishop begins to face persecution from the wicked Islamist. Then he will learn to say Jesus is lord instead of mentioning a moon god( allah)
For now he can continue in ignorance.

AllNaijaBlogger:
I'm of the opinion that the op's write up hasn't been given a fair consideration.


It is okay for an Arab christian to say "Allahu Akbar" if the christian truly believes he is worshiping Yahweh. There is no need for us christians to be hung up on a trivial issue.

However, I am not surprised about the harsh treatment the op is receiving. I believe that it is not everyone that is happy at the strict treatment of non-muslims on the islam section and they are using the anger on the op.

Salaam

You must be a muslim, a chrislam or a norminal Christian to say this.

Yahweh is not Muhammad's allah (Quran 109:1-6).

truthman2012:


You must be a muslim, a chrislam or a norminal Christian to say this.

Yahweh is not Muhammad's allah (Quran 109:1-6).

I am a normal christian. Of course, Allah and Yahweh are different if we are talking about Islam and christianity. But now, we are talking of "Allah" as a generic title- a name for God.

Olodumare is a different god from Yahweh but at times, Yorubas still use it as a generic title to refer to Yahweh.

I hope you see my point

AllNaijaBlogger:


I am a normal christian. Of course, Allah and Yahweh are different if we are talking about Islam and christianity. But now, we are talking of "Allah" as a generic title- a name for God.

Olodumare is a different god from Yahweh but at times, Yorubas still use it as a generic title to refer to Yahweh.
I hope you see my point

Go and read my earler post on who Muhammad's allah truly is. Even allah said he is not the God of the Jews and Christians (Quran 109:1-6).

truthman2012:


Go and read my earler post on who Muhammad's allah truly is. Even allah said he is not the God of the Jews and Christians (Quran 109:1-6).

We are saying the same thing.