Most christians believe that there is a "big sin" and "small sin". Inotherwords, they quantify sin. There is nothing like that in the sight of God all sins are thesame. Some christians still believe that the "little lie" they tell doesnt mean anything in the sight of God. A liar will say I am better than the fornicators or homosexual but the truth still remains sin is sin. Hell has no apartment for liars, fornicators, muderers. Its thesame hell that all sinners will end up. #my opinion

The blood is sufficient?

channelz:
The blood is sufficient?

which blood?

January27:
which blood?

Aren't you a Christian

channelz:
Aren't you a Christian

I am, maybe if you had used "grace", it would av been better

January27:
I am, maybe if you had used "grace", it would av been better

ok, the grace is sufficient enough to cleanse us of any sin regardless of whether small or big?

channelz:
ok, the grace is sufficient enough to cleanse us of any sin regardless of whether small or big?

because grace is abound doesn't mean u wil continue to remain in sin.

Cutehector:
because grace is abound doesn't mean u wil continue to remain in sin.

True but the grace has no limits. I believe no Christian will go to hell. Hell is meant for the unbelievers good or bad?

channelz:
True but the grace has no limits. I believe no Christian will go to hell. Hell is meant for the unbelievers good or bad?

it depends on who u think a christain is. Hell is meant for those who continue to remain in sin even till their point of death.

Cutehector:
it depends on who u think a christain is. Hell is meant for those who continue to remain in sin even till their point of death.

ok, I thought a christian who confesses in his sickbed would be washed clean of his sins?

channelz:
ok, I thought a christian who confesses in his sickbed would be washed clean of his sins?

yes. If he is very remorse about it.

Cutehector:
yes. If he is very remorse about it.

Of course, being remorseful would definitely not be a difficult thing for a believer you see?

So@op don't bother your soul, the grace is sufficient.

channelz:
ok, I thought a christian who confesses in his sickbed would be washed clean of his sins?

"All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." (1 John 5:17-18).


"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" (Romans 6:1-2).

Brother if u call ur self a Christian and u are still dwelling in sin then u are not saved. But any time u fall into sin try and get back to ur first love ( A life of holiness)

God Bless

channelz:
Of course, being remorseful would definitely not be a difficult thing for a believer you see?

So@op don't bother your soul, the grace is sufficient.

but it will soon cease to b

Cutehector:
but it will soon cease to b

Kindly explain. How? Do you mean there is a limit to this grace?

lightking99:


"All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." (1 John 5:17-18).


"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" (Romans 6:1-2).

Brother if u call ur self a Christian and u are still dwelling in sin then u are not saved. But any time u fall into sin try and get back to ur first love ( A life of holiness)

God Bless

Are good works a necessity for salvation?

channelz:
Are good works a necessity for salvation?

sir before u are saved Good work cannot save u but Grace
"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved" (Ephesians 2:5).

But after ur salvation there is need for goodwork

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" (James 2:14).

Brother we cannot profes to be Christian and continue to dwell in sin in full conscience

If thats the only problem, thats ok.

What of muslims, where dis they get it all wrong?

I guess theirs is multi-faceted.

channelz:
Kindly explain. How? Do you mean there is a limit to this grace?

d limit comes after one's death

lightking99:


sir before u are saved Good work cannot save u but Grace
"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved" (Ephesians 2:5).

But after ur salvation there is need for goodwork

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" (James 2:14).

Brother we cannot profes to be Christian and continue to dwell in sin in full conscience

You have spoken well. I'm glad you reason this way.

My concern is what is this doctrine, that our sins have been forgiven even before we commit them? What happens when a Christian consciously sins with the hope that in the end (ie after achieving a desired goal or in a sickbed) he would become remorseful and ask for forgiveness? If there will be no consequences, then why should another Christian work to be dead to sin?

Cutehector:
d limit comes after one's death

ok ie sudden death. But you know we Christians and our "it's not my portion" mentality

channelz:
You have spoken well. I'm glad you reason this way.

My concern is what is this doctrine, that our sins have been forgiven even before we commit them? What happens when a Christian consciously sins with the hope that in the end (ie after achieving a desired goal or in a sickbed) he would become remorseful and ask for forgiveness? If there will be no consequences, then why should another Christian work to be dead to sin?

and who says there is no consequence?

Actually many Christians reason this way that on my sick bed I will repent...
But, what if rapture caught u on aware ?
What if u die tru accident?( dis might happen because of ur sin) because Gods special protection will no longer be there

now come to think of it.... If u are a Christian dwelling in sin how can u preach to others?

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: " (Matthew 28:19).

Is unfortunate that many Christian want to make heaven on the last day and dont even think of taking others along.

Also many Christians target is just if I can make heaven ( which is settling for the less)
what happen to the crowns in heaven?
The power God has given to us to heal the sick and perform miracle?
To bring heaven to earth?
All this cannot happen if we still dwell in sin.

And Also if u sin consciencely even if God have forgiven u .... D result of dat sin must sure come to pass. ( u can see dat in David's case)

A Christian is not a sinner .. A sinner is not a Christian.

Shalom

January27:
Most christians believe that there is a "big sin" and "small sin". Inotherwords, they quantify sin. There is nothing like that in the sight of God all sins are thesame. Some christians still believe that the "little lie" they tell doesnt mean anything in the sight of God. A liar will say I am better than the fornicators or homosexual but the truth still remains sin is sin. Hell has no apartment for liars, fornicators, muderers. Its thesame hell that all sinners will end up. #my opinion

I understand where you are coming from. You want to encourage honesty,but talking about hell fire is so disappointing. At this point you should have known hell fire is not real. Anyway,the message is good but the reasons to be honest shouldn't be to escape hell.

People should be honest because it will maintains trust,it's easier than lying,once trust is broken it may not be fully regained.

Teach people like adults and they will become adults. But when you teach them like kids,they will remain kids.

Peace!

ifeness:


I understand where you are coming from. You want to encourage honesty,but talking about hell fire is so disappointing. At this point you should have known hell fire is not real. Anyway,the message is good but the reasons to be honest shouldn't be to escape hell.

People should be honest because it will maintains trust,it's easier than lying,once trust is broken it may not be fully regained.

Teach people like adults and they will become adults. But when you teach them like kids,they will remain kids.

Peace!

Hell fire is real

January27:
Hell fire is real

I don't know where you got that from,but I think it worked for primitive minds. That was the only concept the ancient people were forced with to be nice. But as we advance we see morality as an idle ways of life. Trust me the concept of hell doesn't work in many parts of the world anymore.

channelz:
Of course, being remorseful would definitely not be a difficult thing for a believer you see?

So@op don't bother your soul, the grace is sufficient.

Yes, the grace is sufficient doesnt mean we should abuse it

ifeness:


I don't know where you got that from,but I think it worked for primitive minds. That was the only concept the ancient people were forced with to be nice. But as we advance we see morality as an idle ways of life. Trust me the concept of hell doesn't work in many parts of the world anymore.

Are you a JW?

ifeness:


I don't know where you got that from,but I think it worked for primitive minds. That was the only concept the ancient people were forced with to be nice. But as we advance we see morality as an idle ways of life. Trust me the concept of hell doesn't work in many parts of the world anymore.

"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:15).

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" (2 Peter 2:4).

"It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?" (Job 11:.

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." (Psalms 9:17).

"But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. " (Luke 12:5).

"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: " (Mark 9:47).

I can go on and on
sir can u please explain to me now what u mean by there is no hell with the help of those scriptures?

January27:
Are you a JW?

I do not belong to any association.

lightking99:



"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:15).

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" (2 Peter 2:4).

"It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?" (Job 11:.

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." (Psalms 9:17).

"But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. " (Luke 12:5).

"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: " (Mark 9:47).

I can go on and on
sir can u please explain to me now what u mean by there is no hell with the help of those scriptures?

Is that all?

When i look at the time-line between the book of Job and Psalm, that is approximately 2000 to 4000 years difference. There is no evidence Job actually existed on this planet neither was the book authentic. . Nevertheless, various clues within the book of Job seem to indicate Job lived sometime after the Flood, but long before the time of Moses. However in the book of Job there is a clear evidence that Job did live in a Matriarch society where women had rights to inheritance, which meant it was a long long time before the character "Moses" who lived in a Patriarch society( where men alone got hesitance). Reasons because Job's daughters had the right to his properties.

Now take the time-line between the book of Psalm and Luke, another huge thousands of years where the laws weren't exactly favouring the people. Of course the laws of Moses ( which included stoning kids to death) had to be abolished.

From the time-line of Luke to 2015, you cannot consider the laws then applicable in the house of law. That shows us that different laws for different generations.

Therefore i have no need to explain those passages as I personally find them primitive.

The Christian God is said to be full of Love. Then how come this God is less compassionate than I am? I will never subject any humans to evaluating torture because of a lie. Our present day society sentence people to jail in order to correct them. Back in the days in the Uk, we used to sentence people to death but now it is illegal. If you get a sentence of 5 years, you get to do half of that and a bit of community service. That is the called progression.

There can be no hell fire because it is not moral. You cannot pay evil with evil.

ifeness:


Is that all?

When i look at the time-line between the book of Job and Psalm, that is approximately 2000 to 4000 years difference. There is no evidence Job actually existed on this planet neither was the book authentic. . Nevertheless, various clues within the book of Job seem to indicate Job lived sometime after the Flood, but long before the time of Moses. However in the book of Job there is a clear evidence that Job did live in a Matriarch society where women had rights to inheritance, which meant it was a long long time before the character "Moses" who lived in a Patriarch society( where men alone got hesitance). Reasons because Job's daughters had the right to his properties.

Now take the time-line between the book of Psalm and Luke, another huge thousands of years where the laws weren't exactly favouring the people. Of course the laws of Moses ( which included stoning kids to death) had to be abolished.

From the time-line of Luke to 2015, you cannot consider the laws then applicable in the house of law. That shows us that different laws for different generations.

Therefore i have no need to explain those passages as I personally find them primitive.

The Christian God is said to be full of Love. Then how come this God is less compassionate than I am? I will never subject any humans to evaluating torture because of a lie. Our present day society sentence people to jail in order to correct them. Back in the days in the Uk, we used to sentence people to death but now it is illegal. If you get a sentence of 5 years, you get to do half of that and a bit of community service. That is the called progression.

There can be no hell fire because it is not moral. You cannot pay evil with evil.

and u think this have Answered my question or disprove the existence of hell?

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." (Hebrews 13:.

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." (Matthew 24:35).

Broda because u where born without beard and now u have beard doesn’t change a word in the Bible

dont be deceive Repent and be save.

lightking99:


and who says there is no consequence?

Actually many Christians reason this way that on my sick bed I will repent...
But, what if rapture caught u on aware ?
What if u die tru accident?( dis might happen because of ur sin) because Gods special protection will no longer be there

now come to think of it.... If u are a Christian dwelling in sin how can u preach to others?

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: " (Matthew 28:19).

Is unfortunate that many Christian want to make heaven on the last day and dont even think of taking others along.

Also many Christians target is just if I can make heaven ( which is settling for the less)
what happen to the crowns in heaven?
The power God has given to us to heal the sick and perform miracle?
To bring heaven to earth?
All this cannot happen if we still dwell in sin.

And Also if u sin consciencely even if God have forgiven u .... D result of dat sin must sure come to pass. ( u can see dat in David's case)

A Christian is not a sinner .. A sinner is not a Christian.

Shalom

Impressive! You have satisfactorily answered my questions. I never knew a Christian could ever interpret the Bible in this sense. Now I know any other so called believer who explains otherwise only expresses his inner wishes and weaknesses.

Thanks and shalom!