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Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Nobody: 11:15pm On Mar 21, 2015 |
Moses is generally believed to have written the first five books of the Old testament of the Holy Bible namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. However my question is could Moses have written Deuteronomy as the account of how he died is written in Deuteronomy Chapter 34. If it was Moses that wrote the book, Does it mean he wrote about his own Death ?? |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by malvisguy212: 11:39pm On Mar 21, 2015 |
Iamsynord:Moses did not write chapter 34, God had told Moses that he would not be able to lead the children of Israel into the Promised Land because of his prior disobedience ( Numbers 20:12) and that he would die in Moab. Deuteronomy 34 relates how Moses was allowed to view Canaan from afar before he died.after Moses died the leadership go to Joshua.it is possible that Joshua wrote the end of Moses life or the seventy elders who served under Moses (Exodus 24:9). |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Infomizer(m): 6:40am On Mar 22, 2015 |
Ignore who wrote what. Focus on what was written. 1 Like |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by johnydon22(m): 6:55am On Mar 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212:excuss me sir! So you actually still think moses wrote the pentateuchs? how old did you say you were again |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by malvisguy212: 8:30am On Mar 22, 2015 |
johnydon22:Exodus 17:14 "Then the Lord instructed Moses, 'Write this down as a permanent record...'" Exodus 24:4 "Then Moses carefully wrote down all the Lord's instructions." Exodus 34:27 "And the Lord said to Moses, 'Write down all these instructions, for they represents the terms of my covenant with you and with Israel.'" Leviticus 1:1 "The Lord called to Moses from the Tabernacle and said to him, 'Give the following instructions to the Israelites...'" Leviticus 6:8 "Then the Lord said to Moses, 'Give Aaron and his sons the following instructions...'" Deuteronomy 31:9 "So Moses wrote down this law and gave it to the priests." Deuteronomy 31:24-26 "When Moses had finished writing down this entire body of law in a book... |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by sinkhole: 8:41am On Mar 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212:We arw talking about Moses writing a whole history and you are here quoting how God instructs Moses to write laws/constitution or "instructions" that will guide the conduct of the Istrealites! |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by davien(m): 8:43am On Mar 22, 2015 |
Infomizer:Dogma threshold reached... 1 Like |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by dalaman: 8:45am On Mar 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Still doesn't say that Moses wrote the Pentateuch. Just some specific laws and instructions. |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by johnydon22(m): 8:53am On Mar 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212:and the law means the whole 5 torah to you? lol this is what you get when adults dont research... Bros you need to research your own holybook.. the torah was a compilation of works on jewish tradition, laws and mythology written by many unknown scribes in different time frames.. let me just post a pic of the introduction of the pentateuchs by The new community bible
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Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Infomizer(m): 8:57am On Mar 22, 2015 |
davien: Lol Funny enough, I don't know where folks got the idea that Moses wrote em books o (I may be mistaken). I see it as one of the many christianity gists spread without biblical basis (e.g Satan rules Hell, Christ was born on the 25th of December, etc.). I just dey observe... 1 Like |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by johnydon22(m): 9:04am On Mar 22, 2015 |
Infomizer:Bro torah was a jewish compilation probably after the reformation of josiah when the isreali society turned strictly monotheic and the worship of other canaanite pentheon gods like baal, asherah (yahweh's consort/mother), shalem and others and yahweh was lifted and adopted as the supreme god. It comprises of works by many scribes on the law, mythological history and numerous other fables. below is a pic i snapped from the new community bible on introduction to the torah.. read and see its obvious moses wrote no shiii 2 Likes
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Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Infomizer(m): 9:12am On Mar 22, 2015 |
johnydon22: Defo! An objective reader would never have come to that conclusion. It's quite obvious if you ask me. So also are a couple of other books in the bible ascribed to one author or the other. I think one thread here had thrashed it out though. |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by malvisguy212: 11:02am On Mar 22, 2015 |
sinkhole:Johnnydon and dalaman. Jesus himself quoted from the pentateuch; Matthew 22:24 "Moses said, 'If a man dies without children...'" Mark 7:10 "For instance, Moses gave you this law from God..." Mark 12:24 "...haven't you ever read about this in the WRITTENS of Moses, in the story of the burning bush..." Luke 24:44 "...I told you that everything WRITTEN about me by Moses and the prophets and in the Psalms must all come true." John 1:17 "For the law was given through Moses..." John 5:46 "But if you had believed Moses, you would have believed me because HE WROTE about me. And since you don't believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?" Clearly written here, Moses wrote the pentateuch but the bible never indicate he wrote all, skeptics argument was that Moses wrote the pentateuch when in the first place bible never indicate he did. |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by johnydon22(m): 11:09am On Mar 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Jesus quote the pentateuch which means moses must have written them...lmao..Finding facts is really one of your short comings right?
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Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by dalaman: 11:14am On Mar 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Repeating a tradition doesn't make it true. The tradition is that Moses wrote those books but the reality points to a very different thing. No where does it say that Moses wrote the Pentateuch. Moses wrote laws and instructions is what was written. Was it Moses that wrote the creation stories in the bible for example? How do you know that? Hope you know that some passages in the Pentateuch were written in the proto Hebrew which is a form of Canaanite language. No scholar that studies the bible in its original language will attempt to say that Moses wrote the Pentateuch. Christians bible scholars are the ones that first pointed that out. What do you know about the Hebrew language or writing styles? |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Kay17: 11:31am On Mar 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: The question is, did Moses write the book of Deuteronomy? Not why and how he died. |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Nobody: 11:40am On Mar 22, 2015 |
Infomizer: #when a washed brain is exhausted of dogmatic ideas. |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by malvisguy212: 11:46am On Mar 22, 2015 |
Kay17:I wish this question would've been directed to your atheists friends, the op ask if Moses wrote deutoronumy which I reply, but your atheists friends bring the issue of "who wrote the pentateuch?" My first post answer the op questionn ,Moses wrote deutoronumy but chapter 34 was not written by Moses. |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by malvisguy212: 11:53am On Mar 22, 2015 |
dalaman:what proof do you need that Moses wrote the pentateuch? Jesus quoted from the same WRITTEN infacte not only did Jesus quote Moses, Paul quote Moses ; Acts 26:22 "...I teach nothing except what the prophets and Moses said would happen..." Romans 10:5 "For Moses wrote..." How would Paul could've known what Moses wrote without reading the torah?Roman 10:5 say "MOSES WROTE" this indicate Moses wrote book,what book if is not the pentateuch? |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by malvisguy212: 11:59am On Mar 22, 2015 |
johnydon22:Mark 12:24 "...haven't you ever READ about this in the WRITTENS OF MOSES, in the story of the burning bush..." What proof do you need again apart from this? That Moses would resurrect and say he wrote it? According to this verse ,what did Moses wrote if not the pentateuch?how did the people know Moses wrote a book? Offcorse they read it from the written of Moses. |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by johnydon22(m): 12:05pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212:and we just told you that jewish tradition (even the talmud tho this one is not added to the bible) adopted by christians attributed it to moses but critical literary analysis clearly shows moses wasn't the writer.. it seems you didnt read the bible torah introduction i uploaded for you.. i will upload it agai, try and read it this time.. also read http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah
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Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Infomizer(m): 12:24pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
MrPresident: Calm down oga president. I could've said the same of Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' or Stalin's 'Dialectical and Historical Materialism'. If you gotta learn from a piece of literature, will you call it dogmatic to pay little or no attention to the author's identity? We've read books whose authors went with pseudonyms (J. D Robb's/Norah Roberts' 'Vengeance in Death') and it didn't make us learn any less from the content of the books..Keep Calm and Get My Point! |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Nobody: 12:40pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Infomizer: great!! i gat ur point, ...... it's interesting you mentioned a piece of literature, of course that is what we should have been told the bible is, and we shall all be glad to read to learn, not minding the authorship, but when you claim a somewhat confounding story book is from "GOD", you ought to be ready to answer questions on its authenticity. hope u gat ma point too? |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Infomizer(m): 12:42pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
MrPresident: Gbam! Point taken! As my Hausa peeps would say: Magana Yakare... |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by malvisguy212: 12:56pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
johnydon22:Josephus (37CE – c. 100CE): "For we have not an innumerable multitude of books among us, disagreeing from and contradicting one another [as the Greeks have], but only twenty-two books, which contain all the records of all the past times; which are justly believed to be divine; and of them FIVE BELONGS TO MOSES, which contain his laws and the traditions of the origin of mankind till his death… the prophets, who were after Moses, wrote down what was done in their times in thirteen books. The remaining four books contain hymns to God, and precepts for the conduct of human life." http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Hebrew_Bible_canon |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by johnydon22(m): 1:00pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212:lol and this proves moses wrote it? How funny you missed the part where i said jewish traditions have it that moses wrote it and he is quoting josephus...lmao.. this guy funnt shaa.. oya read the same wikipedia and all it says about the torahhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Nobody: 2:09pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
dalaman:Have you done theology? And what happened to the vodoo demonstration video? |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by Kay17: 4:29pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: That is because, Deuteronomy is a part of the Pentateuch. Nonetheless, it is obvious that Moses couldn't have written Chapter 34, similarly he couldn't have written the Book for the writing tone. Chapter 34 has the similar writing style and tone with the remainder of the Book of Deuteronomy. |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by dalaman: 5:44am On Mar 23, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I just told you that they were only repeating a tradition, the same way muslims claim that an angel recited the Koran to Mohammed. Jesus referenced the Exodus, but most historians say that the exodus is non historical. Hebrew rabbi's are the ones that pointed it out that Moses did not write those books. Can you read Hebrew? Have you ever studied the bible in it's original language? |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by dalaman: 5:45am On Mar 23, 2015 |
muafrika: Yes, I have. I am still waiting for them to get back to me on the voodo stuff. 1 Like |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by malvisguy212: 6:53am On Mar 23, 2015 |
dalaman:the exedus is historical read here http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm |
Re: Is Moses Actually The Writer Of Deuteronomy ?? ( Proof ) by johnydon22(m): 7:59am On Mar 23, 2015 |
malvisguy212:lmao this your link is funny i am so sorry for christians and their desperate attempt to prove mythology is real.. Goodluck with that let me show you what wikipedia encyclopedia says.. Scholars agree that the Israelite community arose peacefully and internally in the highlands of Canaan[17] - in the words of archaeologist William Dever, "most of those who came to call themselves Israelites ... were or had been indigenous Canaanites." [18] Israelite religion emerged gradually from the Canaanite milieu. extracted from http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh and another The Book of Exodus is not historical narrative in any modern sense. Modern history writing requires the critical evaluation of sources, and does not accept God as a cause of events. But in Exodus, everything is presented as the work of God, who appears frequently in person, and the historical setting is only very hazily sketched. The purpose of the book is not to record what really happened, but to reflect the historical experience of the exile community in Babylon and later Jerusalem, facing foreign captivity and the need to come to terms with their understanding of God. Although mythical elements are not so prominent in Exodus as in Genesis , the echoes of ancient legends are crucial to understanding the book's origins and purpose: for example, the story of the infant Moses's salvation from the Nile has its basis in an earlier legend of king Sargon, while the story of the parting of the Red Sea trades on Mesopotamian creation mythology. Similarly, the Covenant Code (the law code in Exodus 20:22– 23:33) has notable similarities in both content and structure with the Laws of Hammurabi . These influences serve to reinforce the conclusion that the Book of [size=20]Exodus originated in the exiled Jewish community of 6th-century Babylon[/size], but not all the sources are Mesopotamian:the story of Moses's flight to Midian following the murder of the Egyptian overseer may draw on the Egyptian Story of Sinuhe . extracted from http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Exodus |
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