Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by PastorKun(m): 7:04pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
YourMain:
Lol Dont be shy Let me put it this way, they follow the quoran and the teachings of mohammed far more passionately than you do. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 7:05pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Ifeann:
Pastorkun yourmain has her muslim moments but a lot of the time she is a decent human to chat with. Lol decent human? Muslims aren't decent humans no? 1 Like |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 7:05pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
PastorKun:
Let me put it this way, they follow the quoran and the teachings of mohammed far more passionately than you do. Lol okay oo. Well I'm not any kid of extremist. Religion is all about my relationship with God. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Ifeann(f): 7:14pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
YourMain:
Lol decent human? Muslims aren't decent humans no? I have mentioned this on nairaland several times... I have nothing agaisnt muslims...I have muslim relatives..one recently renounced islam.. one of my best friends is a muslim who is pro executing homosexuals(I am agaisnt this but on the whole this person is educated and nice).. however these muslims are moderates who I can have lunch or whatever with but once islam is criticized ...Ka boom ..the spirit of islam kicks in with chants of Allah u snackbar.. Look at my chats with emp.iree 9jafo.rlife etc |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by PastorKun(m): 7:17pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
YourMain:
Lol okay oo. Well I'm not any kid of extremist. Religion is all about my relationship with God. But this people you call extremists are just following the direct teachings of your prophet as expected of true muslims na. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 7:19pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
PastorKun:
But this people you call extremists are just following the direct teachings of your prophet as expected of true muslims na. Well that's Good for them. I didn't call anyone an extremist. I think we have to input these teachings in the modern world. Where it is not okay to just go killing people. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 7:21pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Ifeann:
I have mentioned this on nairaland several times... I have nothing agaisnt muslims...I have muslim relatives..one recently renounced islam.. one of my best friends is a muslim who is pro executing homosexuals(I am agaisnt this but on the whole this person is educated and nice).. however these muslims are moderates who I can have lunch or whatever with but once islam is criticized ...Ka boom ..the spirit of islam kicks in with chants of Allah u snackbar..
Look at my chats with emp.iree 9jafo.rlife etc I think they only speak to you like that cause you're really rude. Your intention is to degrade another religion rather than learn something. And your process, the way you speak, its really rude and uncalled for. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by PastorKun(m): 7:24pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
YourMain:
Well that's Good for them. I didn't call anyone an extremist. I think we have to input these teachings in the modern world. Where it is not okay to just go killing people. I glad you realise it's not ok yet your quoran which mohammed claims is the word of God and is relevant for all time teaches otherwise, does that not call to question the credibility of the quoran and the religion it promotes? |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 7:27pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
PastorKun:
I glad you realise it's not ok yet your quoran which mohammed claims is the word of God and is relevant for all time teaches otherwise, does that not call to question the credibility of the quoran and the religion it promotes? Lol sigh. Im pretty sure God never made it compulsory for anyone to kill. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Ifeann(f): 7:37pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
YourMain:
I think they only speak to you like that cause you're really rude. Your intention is to degrade another religion rather than learn something. And your process, the way you speak, its really rude and uncalled for. I never use insults on Muslims but I do dicuss Mohammed bluntly as reported from the quran and hadiths. U may consider the words rude but take that up with ur quran and hadiths For example I usually say that Mohammed was pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile. Was he a pagan. Yes, most likely. For example; 1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam. 2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba. 3. The muslim obsession with black clothes. 4. The Islamic black flag. 5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason. 6. The circling of the kabba. 7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam. 8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc 9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion. 2.sex addict, yes certainly. The quran and hadiths are filled with his relationships with his 11 - 13 wives, including sex with his sex slaves. It is everywhere in ur quran and hadiths. 3. slave trader. Do I need to remind u of all the hadiths of him trading slaves including his exchange of 2 black slaves for one Arab slave ..etc Here are some reminders for you from ur sources; Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked also asked about Reproduction interruptus. Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave). Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader. 4. mass murderer: ï won't go into details in this because u know the truth from ur hadiths. Let me remind u of some quran verses. Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do." Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." 5. illiterate: Muslims are the ones who tell me he was illiterate and he managed to recite the quran, this is in an effort to prove he was a prophet. 6. Arab: Mohammed was an Arab or was he African. 7. Paedophile: yes he was, he married to Aisha and consummated the the marriage when she was nine years. Several Muslims say it was allowed in the Arab culture back then but I ask is it moral or right. ?? Look I don't even think Mohammed was an illiterate, I also think he was an intelligent man. I get offended when people call him names like silly or silly or any thing disparaging his intellect or not backed up by facts. I also think Mohammed was brave and fearless. But these attributes do NOT make him a true prophet. Hilter, Stalin etc also had these attributes. 1 Like |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 7:53pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Ifeann:
I never use insults on Muslims but I do dicuss Mohammed bluntly as reported from the quran and hadiths. U may consider the words rude but take that up with ur quran and hadiths
For example I usually say that Mohammed was pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile.
Was he a pagan. Yes, most likely. For example; 1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam. 2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba. 3. The muslim obsession with black clothes. 4. The Islamic black flag. 5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason. 6. The circling of the kabba. 7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam. 8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc 9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion.
2.sex addict, yes certainly. The quran and hadiths are filled with his relationships with his 11 - 13 wives, including sex with his sex slaves. It is everywhere in ur quran and hadiths. 3. slave trader. Do I need to remind u of all the hadiths of him trading slaves including his exchange of 2 black slaves for one Arab slave ..etc Here are some reminders for you from ur sources; Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked also asked about Reproduction interruptus. Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave). Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader. 4. mass murderer: ï won't go into details in this because u know the truth from ur hadiths. Let me remind u of some quran verses. Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do." Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." 5. illiterate: Muslims are the ones who tell me he was illiterate and he managed to recite the quran, this is in an effort to prove he was a prophet. 6. Arab: Mohammed was an Arab or was he African. 7. Paedophile: yes he was, he married to Aisha and consummated the the marriage when she was nine years. Several Muslims say it was allowed in the Arab culture back then but I ask is it moral or right. ?? Look I don't even think Mohammed was an illiterate, I also think he was an intelligent man. I get offended when people call him names like silly or silly or any thing disparaging his intellect or not backed up by facts. I also think Mohammed was brave and fearless. But these attributes do NOT make him a true prophet. Hilter, Stalin etc also had these attributes.
Look at your signature. I'm not in the mood for a lecture about your opinion. I really couldn't care less what you think about Muhammad. And I thought we were going to have a nice conversation. 2 Likes |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Ifeann(f): 9:09pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
YourMain:
Look at your signature. I'm not in the mood for a lecture about your opinion. I really couldn't care less what you think about Muhammad. And I thought we were going to have a nice conversation. Its not about my signature or what I think of Mohammed. . I get my information about Mohammed from ur quran and hadiths..notice I always use verses to back up my assertions... that is by the way.. Now run along if saying the truth about your prophet offends u. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 9:22pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Ifeann:
Its not about my signature or what I think of Mohammed. . I get my information about Mohammed from ur quran and hadiths..notice I always use verses to back up my assertions... that is by the way.. Now run along if saying the truth about your prophet offends u. Lol. Half quotes. Nothing's upsetting me love. Bye now. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 9:54pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Ifeann, u just nid to know dat YourMain is not all dose tartar9 kind of islam. Shez dose kinds dat just say islam cos she was born dere. She no too carry am for head like d guyz, dip down inside her she knows dat her religion kinda harsh, shez just like d gationo kind of islam dat don't believe in hadith dey re d reformed muslimz. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 9:58pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
OREMUSSANCTUS: Ifeann, u just nid to know dat YourMain is not all dose tartar9 kind of islam. Shez dose kinds dat just say islam cos she was born dere. She no too carry am for head like d guyz, dip down inside her she knows dat her religion kinda harsh, shez just like d gationo kind of islam dat don't believe in hadith dey re d reformed muslimz. Gosh you seem to know all about me.. I'm so jealous. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by malvisguy212: 10:07pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
YourMain:
Lol okay oo. Well I'm not any kid of extremist. Religion is all about my relationship with God. religion does not defined a relationship with God.Someone may be thinking “I thought God invented religion!” Sorry, but God invented Man and Man invented religion. From the time we are born we learn that the family relationship provides security and safety and unconditional love. (That is why we christians call God the “FATHER”). This is why Jesus is called the “BRIDGROOM” and the “Church” (don’t get ahead of me, just keep reading!), which is the entire congregation or number of believers, is called the “BRIDE of CHRIST”. God created Man for the express purpose of mutual relationship with him, but gave Man the power of choice and free will. Man chose to break that relationship and has been trying to find his own way by inventing religions and cults of all kinds in an effort to replace that void left by lack of relationship with his Creator. Jesus said “Come unto me… and I will give you rest.” (Matt. 11:28) Religion can’t save you; only relationship and that comes through humility and repentance. Christ says in John 10:9 “I am the door: by me if any man enter in he shall be saved…” Guilt is the natural state of Mankind. We are all guilty before God. This leads to fear of all kinds. Fear of being found out. Fear of failure. Fear of change. Fear of the opinion of others. But doing something good (works) will notchange the fact you are guilty. The only cure is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ who took upon Himself my guilt and fear. I tell you the truth,God hate religion.thank you and remain blessed. 1 Like |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 10:12pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: religion does not defined a relationship with God.Someone may be thinking “I thought God invented religion!” Sorry, but God invented Man and Man invented religion. From the time we are born we learn that the family relationship provides security and safety and unconditional love. (That is why we christians call God the “FATHER”). This is why Jesus is called the “BRIDGROOM” and the “Church” (don’t get ahead of me, just keep reading!), which is the entire congregation or number of believers, is called the “BRIDE of CHRIST”.
God created Man for the express purpose of mutual relationship with him, but gave Man the power of choice and free will. Man chose to break that relationship and has been trying to find his own way by inventing religions and cults of all kinds in an effort to replace that void left by lack of relationship with his Creator.
Jesus said “Come unto me… and I will give you rest.” (Matt. 11:28) Religion can’t save you; only relationship and that comes through humility and repentance.
Christ says in John 10:9 “I am the door: by me if any man enter in he shall be saved…” Guilt is the natural state of Mankind. We are all guilty before God. This leads to fear of all kinds. Fear of being found out. Fear of failure. Fear of change. Fear of the opinion of others. But doing something good (works) will notchange the fact you are guilty. The only cure is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ who took upon Himself my guilt and fear.
I tell you the truth,God hate religion.thank you and remain blessed. I Dont agree. God sets basic guidelines through all his Prophets. He asks us to love and obey and not to kill and not to lie. I think everything afterwards is about us and God. Why do you think God didn't invent religion? |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by malvisguy212: 10:25pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
YourMain:
I Dont agree. God sets basic guidelines through all his Prophets. He asks us to love and obey and not to kill and not to lie. I think everything afterwards is about us and God.
Why do you think God didn't invent religion? why will God created me and ask me to belong to a religion cult before I will be saved? Think my sister, this doesent make sense, But relationship with God cannot be found through religion. In fact, religion is the biggest roadblock to seeking a relationship with God. Religion is simply Man trying to reach out to God by doing something that he thinks will please God. “If I can do enough, say enough, pray enough, give enough, sacrifice enough perhaps God will show me favor”. Every religion is based upon this “works theology”. Neither ceremony, liturgy, creeds, sacraments nor money have ever brought one soul into a reconciled relationship to God,do you think you can bribe God with your good deed? Bible say obedient is better than sacrifice, religion performed sacrifice but someone who has a relationship with God obey his father. I wish I can say more but I fear you may not read all my coment. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 10:30pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: why will God created me and ask me to belong to a religion cult before I will be saved? Think my sister, this doesent make sense,
But relationship with God cannot be found through religion. In fact, religion is the biggest roadblock to seeking a relationship with God.
Religion is simply Man trying to reach out to God by doing something that he thinks will please God. “If I can do enough, say enough, pray enough, give enough, sacrifice enough perhaps God will show me favor”. Every religion is based upon this “works theology”. Neither ceremony, liturgy, creeds, sacraments nor money have ever brought one soul into a reconciled relationship to God,do you think you can bribe God with your good deed? Bible say obedient is better than sacrifice, religion performed sacrifice but someone who has a relationship with God obey his father. I wish I can say more but I fear you may not read all my coment. No Dont worry I'm listening. I think within every reglion lies guidelines to this life in a way. If there wasn't any religon then I can just kill someone in the hope that it will please God. Religion, in a way, is God's rules to enter salvation. They mightn't make sense at times I think but some rules just don't |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by malvisguy212: 11:09pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
YourMain:
No Dont worry I'm listening.
I think within every reglion lies guidelines to this life in a way. If there wasn't any religon then I can just kill someone in the hope that it will please God.
Religion, in a way, is God's rules to enter salvation. They mightn't make sense at times I think but some rules just don't as a religious lady, have you ever had a personal relationship with God? Has God revealed himself to you? The reason so many people have not encounter God is because they show more emphasis on religion then to give God there heart.” In fact that is exactly what He expresses here in Isaiah 29:13, “ Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their HEART far from me …”(Jesus quoted this passage in Matt. 15:8-9 adding “…in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men .”) The word" commandment of men" mean religion men invented Religion is man reachout for God but Christianity is the other way round, Abraham was a sherperd when God reachout for him, Moses was in the wilderness when God called him infacte when Samuel came to anoint David, David father even forgot he has a son named David cause David was in the wilderness when God reachout for him, and when Jesus come he say "they kingdom come" he bring the kingdom to us, all you have to do is accepts him. When the disciples ask Jesus to teach them how to pray, Jesus say when you want to pray say "OUR FATHER".... when you say" our father" it mean God is your father and you are his daughter, I am your brother and we are family, God is our father. That is how God will reveal himself to you(his daughter) |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Empiree: 1:04am On Mar 06, 2015 |
YourMain:
I think they only speak to you like that cause you're really rude. Your intention is to degrade another religion rather than learn something. And your process, the way you speak, its really rude and uncalled for. That's it. You nailed it. She doesn't think. See, she thinks we are stupid. Yourmain, i am telling you, it's evangelism tactics. I know those fellas. They would tell you "we love muslims". "We dont have anything against muslims" etc. While at the same time smear Islam....exactly what she's been doing. Islam is not passive religion. We respond to how people present themselves. You can see sample below. She's a liar! 1 Like |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Empiree: 1:18am On Mar 06, 2015 |
sod09: Too long What's ur point? Becoz it's copy/paste. They shop around to see who's what about Islam. They are miserable folks...i tell you 3 Likes |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Empiree: 2:31am On Mar 06, 2015 |
A former pastor, Igbo Muslim convert, Uztaz murtada Chukwu Emeka from Imo State once said [size=15pt]"Islam is not the religion of Hausa or Yoruba or Saudi or Iraq or Kuwait but, it is, the religion of God. Islam is the religion of Jesus, Moses Jeremiah Isaiah Ezekiel Enoch and all prophets of God"[/size]
A Former Pastor Quoted This Verse:
Proverbs 14:12 New King James Version (NKJV)
There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.
Matthew 7:14 New King James Version (NKJV)
Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
The first verse is in reference to Christianity worldly amusement (in churches, their way of life... according to him). He thought that was the Way to God until he came to Islam.
He quoted the second verse in reference to Islam...being a narrow but true path. And being vilified by bigots like Ifeann to paint Islam black.
He said before he came to Islam, he talked to Imam about it and he was given Quran to study and return with questions. While studying sometimes outside his house, Jehovah witnesses came to him (to preach) but they discovered he's reading Quran. They said "ha, the Book that ordered people to kill".
They asked him to open certain verse in the Qur'an to prove their point. Indeed, pastor didnt know how to respond. He went back to muslim preacher. Muslim preacher advised him to call them to come the following and to show them 1 samuel 15:3.
Pastor did just that. He said when he showed JW 1 samuel 15:3 which reads:
[size=15pt]"Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”[/size]
JW said but we can't take it out. He said if this was in Qu'ran many would leave Islam for good. Muslim would be in hell worst than this. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by 9jaforlife: 3:37am On Mar 06, 2015 |
justlove91: Though am also an ex Muslim (doesn't mean am a Christian or atheist now), [size=1pt] came across this testimony a couple of years ago and just like to share it with you today, you wouldn't regret the read. From Belief to Enlightenment: The treacherous and arduous path
by Ali Sina I was born into a moderately religious family. On my mother’s side I have a few relatives who are Ayatollahs. Although my grandfather (whom I never met) was somewhat a skeptic, we were believers. My parents were not fond of the mullahs. In fact, we did not have much to do with our more fundamentalist relatives. We liked to think of ourselves as believing in “true Islam,” not the one taught and practiced by the mullahs. I recall discussing religion with the husband of one of my aunts when I was about 15 years old. He was a fanatical Muslim who was very concerned about the fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence). It prescribes the way Muslims should pray, fast, run their public and private lives, do business, clean themselves, use the toilet, and even copulate. I argued this has nothing to do with true Islam, that it is a fabrication of the Mullahs, that excessive attention to fiqh diminishes the impact and importance of the pure message of Islam, to unite man with his creator. This view is mostly inspired by Sufism. Many Iranians, thanks to Rumi's poems, are to a great degree Sufis in their outlook. In my early youth I noticed discriminations and cruelties against the members of religious minorities in Iran. This was more noticeable in provincial towns where the level of education was low and the mullahs had a better grip over gullible people. Due to my father’s work we spent a few years in small towns out of the capital. I recall one of my teachers who planned to take the class swimming. We were excited and looked forward to it. In the class there were a couple of kids who were Baha'i and Jewish. The teacher did not let them accompany us. He said they are not allowed to swim in the same pool that Muslims swim in. I cannot forget the kids’ disappointment as they left school with tears in their eyes, subdued and heartbroken. At that age, maybe nine or ten, I could not make sense of and was saddened by this injustice. I thought it was the kid’s fault for not being Muslims. I believe I was lucky for having open- minded parents who encouraged me to think critically. They tried to instill in me the love of God and his messenger, yet upheld humanistic values like equality of rights between man and woman, and love for all humankind. In a sense, this is how most modern Iranian families were. In fact, the majority of Muslims who have some education believe Islam is a humanistic religion that respects human rights, that elevates the status of women and protects their rights. Most Muslims believe that Islam means peace. Needless to say, few of them have read the Quran. I spent my early youth in this sweet dream, advocating “true Islam” as I thought it should be, and criticizing the mullahs and their deviations from the real teachings of Islam. I idealized an Islam that conformed to my own humanistic values. Of course my imaginary Islam was a beautiful religion. It was a religion of equality and peace. It was a religion that encouraged its followers to go after knowledge and be inquisitive. It was a religion that was in harmony with science and reason. In fact, I thought that science got its inspiration from this religion. The Islam I believed was a religion that sparkled with modern science, which eventually bore its fruit in the West and made modern discoveries and inventions possible. Islam, I believed, was the real cause of modern civilization. The reason Muslims were living in such a miserable state of ignorance, I thought, was all the fault of the self-centered mullahs and religious leaders who for their own personal gain had misinterpreted the real teachings of Islam. Muslims honestly believe that the great Western civilization has its roots in Islam. They recall great Middle Eastern scientific minds whose contributions to science have been crucial in the birth of modern science. Omar Khayyam was a great mathematician who calculated the length of the year with a precision of .74% of a second. Zakaria Razi can very well be regarded as one of the first founders of empirical science who based his knowledge on research and experimentation. Avicenna's (Bu Ali Sina) monumental encyclopedia of medicine was taught in European universities for centuries. There are so many more great luminaries who have “Islamic names” who were the pioneers of modern science when Europe was languishing in the medieval Dark Ages. Like all Muslims, I believed all these great men were Muslims, that they were inspired by the wealth of hidden knowledge in the Quran; and that if today's Muslims could regain the original purity of Islam, the long lost glorious days of Islam would return and Muslims would lead the advancement of World civilization once again. Iran was a Muslim country but it was also a corrupt country. The chance of getting into a university was slim. Only one in ten applicants could get into the university. Often they were forced to choose subjects that they did not want to study because they could not get enough points for the subjects of their choice. Students with the right connections often got the seats. The standard of education in Iran was not ideal. Universities were under-funded, as the Shah preferred building a powerful military might to become the gendarme of the Middle East rather than build the infrastructure of the country and invest in people’s education. These were reasons why my father thought I would be better off to leave Iran to continue my education elsewhere. We considered America and Europe, but my father, acting upon the counsel of a few of his religious friends, thought another Islamic country would be better for a 16 year old boy. We were told that the West’s morality is too lax, people are perverted, the beaches are full of nudes, and they drink and have licentious lifestyles, all of which are dangers to a young man. So I was sent to Pakistan instead, where people were religious and thus it was safe and moral. A friend of the family told us that Pakistan is just like England, except that it is cheaper. This, of course, proved to be untrue. I found Pakistanis to be as immoral and corrupt as Iranians. Yes they were very religious. They did not eat pork and I saw no one consuming alcohol in public, but I noticed they had dirty minds, lied, were hypocrites, were cruel to women, and above all, were filled with hatred of the Indians. I did not find them better than Iranians in any way. They were religious but not moral or ethical. In college, instead of taking Urdu I took Pakistani Culture to complete my A level FSc (Fellow of Science). I learned the reason for Pakistan's partition from India and for the first time heard about Muhammad Ali Jinah, the man Pakistanis called Qaid-e A’zam, the great leader. He was presented as an intelligent man, the Father of the Nation, while Gandhi was spoken of in a derogatory way. Even then, I could not but side with Gandhi and condemn Jinah as an arrogant, ambitious man who was the culprit for breaking up a country and causing millions of deaths. You could say I always had a mind of my own and was a maverick in my thinking. No matter what I was taught, I always came to my own conclusion and did not believe what I was told. I did not see differences of religion as valid reasons for breaking up a country. The very word Pakistan was an insult to the Indians. They called themselves pak (clean) to distinguish themselves from the Indians who were najis (unclean). Ironically I never saw a people dirtier than the Pakistanis both physically and mentally. It was disappointing to see another Islamic nation in such intellectual and moral bankruptcy. In discussions with my friends I failed to convince anyone of “true Islam.” I condemned their bigotry and fanaticism while they disapproved of me for my un-Islamic views. I related all this to my father and decided to go to Italy for my university studies. In Italy people drink wine and eat pork, but they were more hospitable, friendlier, and less hypocritical than Muslims. I noticed people were willing to help without expecting something in return. I met a very hospitable elderly couple, who invited me to have lunch with them on Sundays, so I would not have to stay home alone. They did not want anything from me. They just wanted someone to love. I was almost a grandson to them. Only strangers in a new country, who do not know anyone and cannot speak the language, can truly appreciate the value of the help and hospitality of the locals. Their house was sparkling clean, with shiny marble floors. This contradicted my idea of Westerners. Although my family was very open towards other people, Islam taught me that non-Muslims are najis (Q. 9:28 ) and one should not befriend them. I still have a copy of the Farsi translation of the Quran I used to often read from. One of the underlined verses is: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as awliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but awliya’ to one another… Q.5: 51 I had difficulty understanding the wisdom of such a verse. I wondered why I should not befriend this wonderful elderly couple who had no ulterior motives in showing me their hospitality than just making me feel at home. I thought they were “true Muslims” and I tried to raise the subject of religion hoping they would see the truth of Islam and embrace it. But they were not interested and politely changed the subject. I was not stupid enough at anytime in my life to believe that all non- believers would go to hell. I read this in the Quran before but never wanted to think about it. I simply brushed it off or ignored it. Of course, I knew that God would be pleased if someone recognized his messenger but never thought he would actually be cruel enough to burn someone in hell for eternity, even if that person only does good deeds, just because he was not a Muslim. I read the following warning: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). Q 3:85 , Yet I paid little heed and tried to convince myself the meaning is something other than what it appears to be. At that moment this was not a subject that I was ready to handle. So I did not think about it. I hung around with my Muslim friends and noticed that most of them lived a very immoral life of double standards. Most of them found girlfriends and slept with them. That was very un-Islamic, or so I thought at that time. What bothered me most was the fact that they did not value these girls as real human beings who deserved respect. These girls were not Muslim girls and therefore were used just for sex. This attitude was not general. Those who made less show of religiosity were more respectful and sincere towards their western girlfriends and some even loved them and wanted to marry them. Paradoxically. those who were more religious were less faithful towards their girlfriends. I always thought that true Islam is what is right. If something is immoral, unethical, dishonest or cruel, it cannot be Islam. I could not see how the behavior of these immoral and callous Muslims could be the result of what was taught in Islam. Years later I realized that the truth is exactly the opposite. I found many verses that were disturbing and made me revise my whole opinion of Islam. As I saw it, the tragedy was that the very same people who lived unethically and immorally were the ones who called themselves Muslims, said their prayers, fasted and were the first to defend Islam angrily if anyone raised a question about it. They where the ones who would lose their temper and start a fight if someone dared to say a word against Islam. Once I befriended a young Iranian man at the university restaurant, later introducing him to two other Muslim friends of mine. We were all about the same age. He was an erudite, virtuous, wise, young man. My other two friends and I were captivated by his charm and high moral values We used to wait for him and sit next to him during lunch hour, as we always learned something from him. We used to eat a lot of spaghetti and risotto and craved a good Persian ghorme sabzi and chelow . Our friend said his mother sent him some dried vegetables and invited us to his house the next Sunday for lunch. We found his two-room apartment very clean, unlike the houses of other guys. He made us a delicious ghorme sabzi which we ate with great gusto and then sat back chatting and sipping our tea. It was then we noticed his Baha’i books. When we asked about them, he said he was a Baha’i. That did not bother me at all, but on the way home my two friends said they did not wish to continue their friendship with him. I was surprised and asked why. They said that being a Baha’i makes him najis and had they known he was a Baha’i, they would not have befriended him. I was puzzled and enquired why they thought he was najis if we all were complementing him on his cleanliness. We all agreed he was a morally superior man than all of the Muslim young men we knew, so why this sudden change of attitude? Their response was very disturbing. They said the name itself had something in it that made them dislike this religion. They asked me if I knew why everyone disliked the Baha’is. I told them I didn’t know, and that I liked everyone. But since they disliked the Baha’is, perhaps they should explain their reasons. They did not know why! This man was the first Baha’i they knew this well, and he was an exemplary man. I wanted to know the reason for their dislike. There was no particular reason, they said. It’s just they know that Baha’is are bad. I am happy I did not continue my friendship with these two bigots. From them I learned how prejudice is formed and operates. Later I realized the prejudices and hatred that Muslims harbor against almost all non-Muslims is not the result of any misinterpretation of the teachings of the Quran, but is because this book teaches hate and encourages prejudice. Those Muslims who go to the mosques and listen to the sermons of the mullahs are affected. There are many verses in the Quran that call believers to hate non- believers, fight them, call them najis, subdue and humiliate them, chop off their heads and limbs, crucify them, and kill them wherever they find them. [/size]
Hmm... That was a long read. I find the writer questionable anyway. Why would anyone live for decades among people of shared faith (Muslims in this case, including his own family) and claim that everyone (or most) of them are bad natured? Isn't it funny how he claimed that the first time he ever experienced hospitality was in Australia or so, when an old couple offered him food for free, in a clean environment. Meaning that nobody was ever that nice to him for decades in his home country? And he didn't see clean environments back home? A family that is comfortable enough to send him for schooling abroad? I would even doubt the integrity of anyone who claims that people of different faith are bad. In every religion and even among atheists, you find good and bad people. I don't know why some individuals think that they MUST bash those who hold contrary opinions just to make theirs look good. He claims that he's a smart thinker but he quotes the Quran in a less than smart way. The issue of people twisting Quran verses intentionally to denigrate Islam (or ignorantly misinterpreting them) is now boring but not outdated. Ifeann, aka parisbookaddict and some others do it so well on NL. I posted about 3 comments to point out to ignorant readers who might fall for it here https://www.nairaland.com/9jaforlife/posts (4.48, 5.16 and 6.35 am) Anyway, you said you're an ex-Muslim and implied that you're neither a Christian nor an atheist. That makes you a theist, a believer that God exists. Is it possible to be a theist, and yet, not belong to any religion? Just curious, no offence intended. Religion is so diversified these days that it's almost confusing 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Empiree: 3:48am On Mar 06, 2015 |
9jaforlife:
Hmm... That was a long read. I find the writer questionable anyway. Why would anyone live for decades among people of shared faith (Muslims in this case, including his own family) and claim that everyone (or most) of them are bad natured? Isn't it funny how he claimed that the first time he ever experienced hospitality was in Australia or so, when an old couple offered him food for free, in a clean environment. Meaning that nobody was ever that nice to him for decades in his home country? And he didn't see clean environments back home? A family that is comfortable enough to send him for schooling abroad? I would even doubt the integrity of anyone who claims that people of different faith are bad. In every religion and even among atheists, you find good and bad people. I don't know why some individuals think that they MUST bash those who hold contrary opinions just to make theirs look good. He claims that he's a smart thinker but he quotes the Quran in a less than smart way. The issue of people twisting Quran verses intentionally to denigrate Islam (or ignorantly misinterpreting them) is now boring but not outdated. Ifeann, aka parisbookaddict and some others do it so well on NL. I posted about 3 comments to point out to ignorant readers who might fall for it here
https://www.nairaland.com/9jaforlife/posts
Anyway, you said you're an ex-Muslim and implied that you're neither a Christian nor an atheist. That makes you a theist, a believer that God exists. Is it possible to be a theist, and yet, not belong to any religion? Just curious, no offence intended. Religion is so diversified these days that it's almost confusing
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Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by 9jaforlife: 5:28am On Mar 06, 2015 |
Ifeann:
9jaforlife tartar9 rilwanye001 tola9ja empiree abuamam yourmain mathematical mrolai, ypeace, ayinba7 permit me to mention you to read these articles posted in this thread. Empiree 9jaforlife mrolai rilwanye001 u may want to note what this ex muslim says about why u Muslims are quick to get angry and insult. Peace. Trust me Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, any normal person will get angry when some dishonest pretender try to blacken the character of what they hold dear, by way of spreading outlandish lies and manipulating their scriptures in order to create an eccentric effect! Besides it still baffles me why someone soo infatuated with insults does not want to be addressed with them! You're so attached to insults that even when you try to pretend to be nice, you still throw them. I guess it's embedded in your lifestyle of duplicity. 1 Like |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by 9jaforlife: 5:46am On Mar 06, 2015 |
Ifeann:
I have mentioned this on nairaland several times... I have nothing agaisnt muslims...I have muslim relatives..one recently renounced islam.. one of my best friends is a muslim who is pro executing homosexuals(I am agaisnt this but on the whole this person is educated and nice).. however these muslims are moderates who I can have lunch or whatever with but once islam is criticized ...Ka boom ..the spirit of islam kicks in with chants of Allah u snackbar..
Look at my chats with emp.iree 9jafo.rlife etc Lol. You NEVER miss the chance to tell us about your imaginary friends who converted from Islam to Christianity. As if christians aren't converting to Islam too. And, why would you call someone your friend and then go ahead to criticize their religion? That's in bad taste! That's why I call you a bigot. And you think they don't have a right to be angry? I'm just trying to imagine what you'd have told them... "Your Prophet is a paedophile", "You're worshipping idol" etc. You say such s*tupid things and expect them to smile? You people don't know how it feels because Muslims are not in the business of insulting other people's faiths. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Empiree: 6:29am On Mar 06, 2015 |
^ It's called "evangelical or missionary strategy". She's very silly. It wont work here....nonsense! 2 Likes |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by sod09(m): 8:29am On Mar 06, 2015 |
justlove91:
Read the synthesized version I posted but you will love the full version. u can go nd die.......d more u criticize Islam d more its grow 1 Like |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 8:56am On Mar 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: as a religious lady, have you ever had a personal relationship with God? Has God revealed himself to you? The reason so many people have not encounter God is because they show more emphasis on religion then to give God there heart.” In fact that is exactly what He expresses here in Isaiah 29:13, “ Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their HEART far from me …”(Jesus quoted this passage in Matt. 15:8-9 adding “…in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men .”) The word" commandment of men" mean religion men invented
Religion is man reachout for God but Christianity is the other way round, Abraham was a sherperd when God reachout for him, Moses was in the wilderness when God called him infacte when Samuel came to anoint David, David father even forgot he has a son named David cause David was in the wilderness when God reachout for him, and when Jesus come he say "they kingdom come" he bring the kingdom to us, all you have to do is accepts him.
When the disciples ask Jesus to teach them how to pray, Jesus say when you want to pray say "OUR FATHER".... when you say" our father" it mean God is your father and you are his daughter, I am your brother and we are family, God is our father. That is how God will reveal himself to you(his daughter) No.. I do think I've a personal relationship with God. Obviously when I speak to him he doesn't reply but my relationship with God is based on my faith. I may not see him but I know in my heart and in my soul he's there. In that Isaiah quote maybe he wasn't speaking of religion as a whole. Cause I know Muslims and Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists that has God in their heart 24/7. Their whole Aura screams God. I think that refers to hypocrites, who claim to love God with their mouths and otherwise... Dont really. No I think, every religion is man reaching out to God. And God reaches back. Because that's what it should be. Even in Christianity. If youre sick or you need help, you will call on God to help you. And God will help you. |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Nobody: 8:58am On Mar 06, 2015 |
Empiree: That's it. You nailed it. She doesn't think. See, she thinks we are stupid. Yourmain, i am telling you, it's evangelism tactics. I know those fellas. They would tell you "we love muslims". "We dont have anything against muslims" etc. While at the same time smear Islam....exactly what she's been doing. Islam is not passive religion. We respond to how people present themselves. You can see sample below. She's a liar! I completely agree. Well every single tactic has failed. 2 Likes |
Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by Ifeann(f): 9:03am On Mar 06, 2015 |
9jaforlife:
Lol. You NEVER miss the chance to tell us about your imaginary friends who converted from Islam to Christianity. As if christians aren't converting to Islam too. And, why would you call someone your friend and then go ahead to criticize their religion? That's in bad taste! That's why I call you a bigot. And you think they don't have a right to be angry? I'm just trying to imagine what you'd have told them... "Your Prophet is a paedophile", "You're worshipping idol" etc. You say such s*tupid things and expect them to smile?
You people don't know how it feels because Muslims are not in the business of insulting other people's faiths. Frist of all this person is a relative and not an ordinary friend Secondly She renounced Islam.. I never said she is a christain. I don't know if she has converted. I will ask her when next we see. Again I want to remind u that if I see a friend using illegal drugs or doin something harmful I will immediately call that person to order and I will not hesitate to criticize. Finally, u Muslims have thrown all sorts of insults to me but I am not bothered and continue what ever I want to do.. - Insults mean nothing, I learnt that a long time a go.. Even before I decided to be a serious christain I can't even remember using insults even as an adult. Your prophet was a paedophile, Aisha was 6 when he married her, he used to rub his pen.is on her thighs as a child till he ejaculat.ed and then at 9 slept with her, these events have been carefully documented by ur hadiths and bios on Mohammed the fraud. He was also a pagan and spewed the satanic verses as the worlds First muslim.. We have discussed this things. Peace. Look I will ask questions about Islam its left on Muslims to explain or keep silent so others can learn about Islam. But we all know ur muslim reaction is to insult. |