Ifeann:


To be fair on the muslims the word'LOVE' appears about
45 times in the whole of theQuran mostly in expressions such as( in love; love of wealth; love of life; love of Allah; love of woman; love of self; love of other believers or love in the abstract; 2:177; 3:31, 103, 119;5:54; 9:23; 19:96; 38:32 etc).
[size=18pt]
TheQuran, unlike the Bibledoes not encourage love of strangers or any others who are not'believers in Allah and his prophet'.[/size]

In theBibleon the other hand, this word is mentioned at least[b]155[/b] times in all its forms and manifestations. In the form ofloving the STRANGER(Lev.19:34; Deut10:19) & NEIGHBOUR (Lev.19:18), the Quran is silent.

The ordinances on how well to treat the stranger and neighbourare over[b]150[/b] times in theBiblewhile none are mentioned in theQuran.

http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Love%20in%20the%20Quran.html

Cc tola9ja

"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

paxonel:

i am really finding it hard to believe this,
any Muslim here?
is this true?

tola9ja:


ok 3:31,2:222,9:108

Ifeann:


Muslims take their time to investigate the bible for arguments to bring to christains. christains and indeed non muslims must take the time and see what's in the quran. it's all there. . Islam is a despicable religion..fortunately the majority of Muslims don't even read the quran in their Indigenous language but recite it in 7th century classical arabic that they don't even understand. they wait on their imam to interpret the verses for them.

Ifeann:


they are breaking islamic law

here Is instrictuons from the quran

Qur'an (5:51)-"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the
Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever
amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them;
surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80)-"You will see many of them befriending those who
disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for
them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall
they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.


Qur'an (3:28)-"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers
Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there
be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard
yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed
to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir
states that"believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but
never inwardly."


Qur'an (3:118)-"O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends
from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of
inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred
has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their bosoms
conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear
to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to
take non-Muslims as friends.


Qur'an (9:23)-"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your
brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than
faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"

paxonel:

and the imams never pretend that the quran do not encourage love to unbelievers in order to save the religion from gradually going to extinction?
if i was imam, i will fight for islam.
i will add love where there is no love and teach Muslims.
because, life without love for everybody especially in this modern day, is not life.
you are good as dead

Ifeann:


Imams never teach love to non muslims infact muslims are forbidden to pray for pagan family members.
Also generally muslims don't pray for non muslims...they think it will offend Mohammed since they think he also hears their prayers and we all know Mohammed spent a lot of time killing non muslims.

My point is that preaching love for non muslims cannot happen in Islam because u are contradictory to Allah. .that is a form of shirk..shirk is blasphemy in Islamic terminology.

Ifeann:


they are breaking islamic law

here Is instrictuons from the quran

Qur'an (5:51)-"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the
Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever
amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them;
surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80)-"You will see many of them befriending those who
disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for
them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall
they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.


Qur'an (3:28)-"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers
Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there
be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard
yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed
to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir
states that"believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but
never inwardly."


Qur'an (3:118)-"O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends
from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of
inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred
has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their bosoms
conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear
to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to
take non-Muslims as friends.


Qur'an (9:23)-"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your
brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than
faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"

tola9ja:


Luke 14:26New International Version (NIV)

26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a

person cannot be my disciple.

tola9ja:


Luke 14:26New International Version (NIV)

26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a

person cannot be my disciple.

kay1one2:


Nobody asked you to kill anybody! Unlike your hate speech quran which admonishes that!

kay1one2:


Go and join isis in syria! Even animals know that everything about the quran is hate! When last did you help someone in need? ! Imbe!!!

tola9ja:


1 Samuel 15:3New International Version (NIV)

3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

tola9ja:


1 Samuel 15:3New International Version (NIV)

3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

rhazur:
Is it true that the word brea.st is in the bible?

In fact, the sensual pleasures are
graphically described in detail by Imam
Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ), Quranic
commentator and polymath. He wrote:
"Each time we sleep with a houri we
find her virgin. Besides, the penis of
the Elected never softens. The erection
is eternal; the sensation that you feel
each time you make love is utterly
delicious and out of this world and
were you to experience it in this world
you would faint. Each chosen one [ie
Muslim] will marry seventy [sic]
houris, besides the women he married
on earth, and all will have appetising
vaginas."

tola9ja:


Biblical/Pentateuch Intolerance:

I see so many religionists rant and rave about how Atheists are “not tolerant of believers and have no respect for their faith”. To non believers this claim is absurd. For intolerance of various religions is the foundation of Judaism, Christianity, Muslim and many other orthodox communities. Matter of fact, the Bible and Pentateuch commands religious intolerance in MANY verses, even to the point of KILLING people for their beliefs. Here then, are a few choice verses that show just how intolerant these religionists are of other believers and nonbelievers. We shall start with the two verses that helped to inflict one of the biggest mass murders in history, the Inquisition.

Woman with “familiar spirits” must be stoned to death. Leviticus 20:27

“Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Exodus 22:18



Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5



Ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:

Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8



Judge other religions for not following Christ:

Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22

Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19

The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7

Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12

False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9



Here are my two personal favorites:

Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10

A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33

kay1one2:


Why not pick verses like "love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and love your neighbour as your self." Or " if you're slapped on one cheek turn the other" or "love your enemies and do good to those who persecute you"(like I am doing now), or "if your enemy is hungry feed him and if is he thirsty give him water to drink for in doing so you'll pile burning coals on his head", or "strife to live in peace with all men" or thou shall mot kill" or "as little as you have done for the least of these (alms giving) so you have done for me" or " give and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over" or "Jesus went about doing good, healing their sick", or "he who doesn't love his neighbor who he sees cannot claim to love God who he cannot see".

The totality of the Bible preaches peace that's why Christians today live in peace and love.
We all know what the muslims live in and what the quran preaches! You guys are a virus that is better contained before it causes more havoc!

tola9ja:


SO ALL THE VERSE I QUOTED IS FROM QUR'AN??

kay1one2:


Proudly from the Bible. But when you mix it up with the verses I gave you you will see why christians don't go about killing. We trust no longer in the flesh but what Christ did on the cross of calvary to save us. You dudes obviously don't have a "cross" that saves to hold on to just occultic rituals focused on manipulating and taking by any means possible from others!

tola9ja:


WHAT YOU MEAN IS THAT THE VERSE I QUOTED SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE BIBLE ?

RoyPCain:
so ifeann is proving the Quran to lack the word love to cover everyone, she ran to 'anti islamic' website. thats really smart and scholarly!


Quran 85 verse 14. is enough to show that it covers all 'creation', which is why each gets its sustenance at the 'right time' in the best of measures.

Love is not unconditional in christianity or any religion because there is punishment [like hell fire] or in the case of those who say humans come back, its either as punishment or being rewarded, hence better when reincarnated.

in Islam, God is Loving and Forgiving, Merciful. It is the Mercy that is more of preventing punishment. Loving mankind, believers and non alike is on this earth so that each individual can live a fully fulfilled life, allowing for repentance [turning to Him] away from disbelief to Islam.

Allah loves more than mother loves her child. Allah is closer to all and when any calls on Him, He answers as He is the Only One to answer. He is on the side of the oppressed, without regards to belief.

He punishes the unjust even if he were a believer that wronged a disbeliever. Allah is impartial which is the reason even atheists get their full share of what the 'world' has for man.

to think that the bible says loves everyone and you think it is unconditional, i wonder why you should not be unyoke with us infidels? why hell/fire of lake except that the people Jehovah does not love will enter it. why Judgment Day except that the unloved will be punished from that day onward?

i am shocked at the tricks of these people proselytizing their doctrine forgetting what Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus will do to those who are not on their side.

You should really read and follow this topic from beginning you know..because it is obvious in your comment that you did not.

Ifeann did not say the word "love" was not mentioned at all in the quran rather her view was in support..plus i find it difficult to relate to what your post is driving at.

RoyPCain:
@maamin: however she was able to go to anti islamic website to support the futile argument you a cheerleader of. i gave you a verse already that covers all, believers and non muslims alike. i argued that Yahweh and Jesus didn't love unconditionally considering that on earth God punished many nations by the hands of Israelites and Jesus called many words that used for those you have no love for and yes, there is the christian hell. no one will enter it except that he was not loved and is not forgiven.

i see that may of fain amnesia if not complete deception.

tola9ja:


Chapter (3:31) sūrat āl ʿim'rān (The Family of Imrān)
l Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will[size=17pt] love[/size] you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful

Chapter (2:222) sūrat l-baqarah (The Cow)

And they ask you about menstruation. Say, "It is harm, so keep away from wives during
ok
menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves,
ok
then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah[size=17pt] loves[/size] those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves."



Chapter (9:108) sūrat l-tawbah (The Repentance)

: Do not stand [for prayer] within it - ever. A mosque founded on righteousness from the first day is more worthy for you to stand in. Within it are men who love to purify themselves; and Allah [size=17pt]loves[/size] those who purify themselves.

Chapter (3) sūrat āl ʿim'rān (The Family of Imrān)

: And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not [size=17pt]love[/size] the unjust







SHOULD I CONTINUE

tola9ja:


Chapter (3:31) sūrat āl ʿim'rān (The Family of Imrān)
l Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will[size=17pt] love[/size] you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful

Chapter (2:222) sūrat l-baqarah (The Cow)

And they ask you about menstruation. Say, "It is harm, so keep away from wives during
ok
menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves,
ok
then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah[size=17pt] loves[/size] those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves."



Chapter (9:108) sūrat l-tawbah (The Repentance)

: Do not stand [for prayer] within it - ever. A mosque founded on righteousness from the first day is more worthy for you to stand in. Within it are men who love to purify themselves; and Allah [size=17pt]loves[/size] those who purify themselves.

Chapter (3) sūrat āl ʿim'rān (The Family of Imrān)

: And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not [size=17pt]love[/size] the unjust







SHOULD I CONTINUE

tola9ja:


Chapter (3:31) sūrat āl ʿim'rān (The Family of Imrān)
l Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will[size=17pt] love[/size] you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful

Chapter (2:222) sūrat l-baqarah (The Cow)

And they ask you about menstruation. Say, "It is harm, so keep away from wives during
ok
menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves,
ok
then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah[size=17pt] loves[/size] those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves."



Chapter (9:108) sūrat l-tawbah (The Repentance)

: Do not stand [for prayer] within it - ever. A mosque founded on righteousness from the first day is more worthy for you to stand in. Within it are men who love to purify themselves; and Allah [size=17pt]loves[/size] those who purify themselves.

Chapter (3) sūrat āl ʿim'rān (The Family of Imrān)

: And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not [size=17pt]love[/size] the unjust







SHOULD I CONTINUE

Ifeann:


To be fair on the muslims the word'LOVE' appears about
45 times in the whole of theQuran mostly in expressions such as( in love; love of wealth; love of life; love of Allah; love of woman; love of self; love of other believers or love in the abstract; 2:177; 3:31, 103, 119;5:54; 9:23; 19:96; 38:32 etc).
[size=18pt]
TheQuran, unlike the Bibledoes not encourage love of strangers or any others who are not'believers in Allah and his prophet'.[/size]

In theBibleon the other hand, this word is mentioned at least[b]155[/b] times in all its forms and manifestations. In the form ofloving the STRANGER(Lev.19:34; Deut10:19) & NEIGHBOUR (Lev.19:18), the Quran is silent.

The ordinances on how well to treat the stranger and neighbourare over[b]150[/b] times in theBiblewhile none are mentioned in theQuran.

http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Love%20in%20the%20Quran.html

Cc tola9ja

"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

Maamin:
I have been studying the quran for years now and I had never came across the word love in it

or was love never mentioned in the quran? Is there any muslim on NL that can help out..will be glad to receive your comments

Maamin:


But why is this love only expressed from allah to his believers and within themselves in setting theirselves apart for allah alone?

so ifeann is proving the Quran to lack the word love to cover everyone, she ran to 'anti islamic' website. thats really smart and scholarly!


Quran 85 verse 14. is enough to show that it covers all 'creation', which is why each gets its sustenance at the 'right time' in the best of measures.

Love is not unconditional in christianity or any religion because there is punishment [like hell fire] or in the case of those who say humans come back, its either as punishment or being rewarded, hence better when reincarnated.

in Islam, God is Loving and Forgiving, Merciful. It is the Mercy that is more of preventing punishment. Loving mankind, believers and non alike is on this earth so that each individual can live a fully fulfilled life, allowing for repentance [turning to Him] away from disbelief to Islam.

Allah loves more than mother loves her child. Allah is closer to all and when any calls on Him, He answers as He is the Only One to answer. He is on the side of the oppressed, without regards to belief.

He punishes the unjust even if he were a believer that wronged a disbeliever. Allah is impartial which is the reason even atheists get their full share of what the 'world' has for man.

to think that the bible says loves everyone and you think it is unconditional, i wonder why you should not be unyoke with us infidels? why hell/fire of lake except that the people Jehovah does not love will enter it. why Judgment Day except that the unloved will be punished from that day onward?

i am shocked at the tricks of these people proselytizing their doctrine forgetting what Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus will do to those who are not on their side.

Ifeann:


Imams never teach love to non muslims infact muslims are forbidden to pray for pagan family members.
Also generally muslims don't pray for non muslims...they think it will offend Mohammed since they think he also hears their prayers and we all know Mohammed spent a lot of time killing non muslims.

My point is that preaching love for non muslims cannot happen in Islam because u are contradictory to Allah. .that is a form of shirk..shirk is blasphemy in Islamic terminology.

Maamin:


Wow! Am really learning new stuffs.