Ifeann:
Johnny I am not going to go bring out bible verses explaining what lead to those decisions. But I will give my take on the "innocent children"

Remember most theists believes that God knows our beginning and end. If God all ready knows what the children will become why won't he make his decision to end them before they become that.

the isis fighters, jihad john, Mohammed, hitler, Osama, tartar9 were once children But they grew up to be death loving people.


•Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Ifeann:
Johnny I am not going to go bring out bible verses explaining what lead to those decisions. But I will give my take on the "innocent children"

Remember most theists believes that God knows our beginning and end. If God all ready knows what the children will become why won't he make his decision to end them before they become that.

the isis fighters, jihad john, Mohammed, hitler, Osama, tartar9 were once children But they grew up to be death loving people.


•Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Ifeann:
Johnny I am not going to go bring out bible verses explaining what lead to those decisions. But I will give my take on the "innocent children"

Remember most theists believes that God knows our beginning and end. If God all ready knows what the children will become why won't he make his decision to end them before they become that.

the isis fighters, jihad john, Mohammed, hitler, Osama, tartar9 were once children But they grew up to be death loving people.


•Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

mmsen:
The same people who claim that these children who were murdered by god because they would have grown up to become evil are the first ones to get angry when someone brings up abortion.

johnydon22:
Reading about jewish mythology, the God portrayed there can be call to be very irrational, barbaric, saddistic, blood thirsty and [size=20] infacticidal [/size]

One example is the flood myth as found both in the bible and quran...
The whole world was bad except for one man, as impossible as this is let me ignore it and assume it to be so..
Then my question now is [size=20] What about the little children were they bad too or is it that they just don't count? ... it beats me to fathom how a sane minded person would subject millions of children to such a horrible death as drowning and for what? what they don't even have any idea of [/size]

The sodom and gomorrah mythology, yahweh was looking for 10 good people and he will spare the city, but he didn't consider the millions of children in that city...my question is [size=20] doesn't the children count? what sort of monster would rain fire upon innocent children just to punish wicked ones? [/size] are the millions of children that should be in sodom and gomorrah not enough to spare the city? don't they outnumber 10 good people by millions?

They are many verses and examples that can be hewn from the bible, killing every inhabitants of a city including women and children, dashing infants on rocks. . . Seems this jewish deity or should i say (abrahamic deity on a wider scale) do not seem to care about children..

[size=20] Don't the little innocent children count?? [/size]

johnydon22:


So i take it that you are implying those children would have turned bad if allowed to live?

mmsen:
The same people who claim that these children who were murdered by god because they would have grown up to become evil are the first ones to get angry when someone brings up abortion.

Ifeann:
Johnny I am not going to go bring out bible verses explaining what lead to those decisions. But I will give my take on the "innocent children"

Remember most theists believes that God knows our beginning and end. If God all ready knows what the children will become why won't he make his decision to end them before they become that.

the isis fighters, jihad john, Mohammed, hitler, Osama, tartar9 were once children But they grew up to be death loving people.


•Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

DProDG:


So you're implying that our lives are predetermined? ie, no freewill?

Ifeann:
Johnny I am not going to go bring out bible verses explaining what lead to those decisions. But I will give my take on the "innocent children"

Remember most theists believes that God knows our beginning and end. If God all ready knows what the children will become why won't he make his decision to end them before they become that.

the isis fighters, jihad john, Mohammed, hitler, Osama, tartar9 were once children But they grew up to be death loving people.


•Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Ifeann:
Johnny I am not going to go bring out bible verses explaining what lead to those decisions. But I will give my take on the "innocent children"

Remember most theists believes that God knows our beginning and end. If God all ready knows what the children will become why won't he make his decision to end them before they become that.

the isis fighters, jihad john, Mohammed, hitler, Osama, tartar9 were once children But they grew up to be death loving people.


•Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Ifeann:


If u abort then u are playing god, Steve job's mom was in a position to abort Steve after she got preganant and had to drop out of school.. I and several millions enjoy their Ipod, iphone, macs etc because she didn't make the decision to abort.

Euthanasia, GMOs, eugenics are also other example of man playing god. Not a good idea. This is very different from the OPs argument.

Ifeann:



“As I live, says the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live”(Ez. 33.11).

The bible tells the reader that God does not delight in the death of the wicked. He gave the amorites 400 years of Grace to change, being ominipotent my guess is that God knew that they will not change but he was not quick to bring his judgement upon them.

Here is his message to Abraham;
“Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. . . . And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites [one of the Canaanite clans] is not yet complete”(Gen. 15. 13, 16).


So for 400 years the amorites continued in their iniquity and villainy. Babies where born who grew up to follow the evil footsteps of their parents. For 400 years, its fair to say this people made up their mind to be evil as a culture.


Think of it! God stays His judgement of the Canaanite clans 400 years because their wickedness had not reached the point of intolerability! This is the long-suffering God we know in the Hebrew Scriptures. He even allows his own chosen people to languish in slavery for four centuries before determining that the Canaanite peoples are ripe for judgement and calling His people forth from Egypt.


By the time of their destruction, Canaanite culture was, in fact, debauched and cruel, embracing such practices as ritual prostitution and even child sacrifice. The Canaanites are to be destroyed“that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God”(Deut. 20.18).

God had morally sufficient reasons for His judgement upon Canaan, and Israel was merely the instrument of His justice, just as centuries later God would use the pagan nations of Assyria and Babylon to judge Israel.

People have a misconception about God's approach to justice. He is forgiving, loving but he is also just.

MrRothstein:
Your response has just too many implications but i'll settle for 3. 1)Determinism: The standard theistic rhetoric is that we are all designed inherently with the freewill to make choices.unless you don't subscribe to this you'd realize that a foreknowledge of what those kids would become in future(and especially knowing that they would become evil!)implies that they lack the ability to effect this future pre-emptively,hence can't be blamed for whatever that future brings,atleast not by a 'loving god'. 2).omnipotence: The famous omnipotence!.I define omnipotence as the ability to be able to bring about all possible outcomes of an event.An omnipotent being should be able to cause an event such that every person that exists should be good and hence avoid the flood(i don't feel particularly uncomfortable about the deterministic nature of this argument,seeing as you have implicitely implied it).But ofcourse omnipotence may also mean that he can bring about a mutually exclusive event such that everyone that exists has freewill and still choose to be good,hence avoiding the flood. 3).what does it say about someone who knows the details of a future event(that said event would include suffering for those participating in it) yet proceeds to bring it about?i'll leave you to answer Your response has just too many implications but i'll settle for 3. 1)Determinism: The standard theistic rhetoric is that we are all designed inherently with the freewill to make choices.unless you don't subscribe to this you'd realize that a foreknowledge of what those kids would become in future(and especially knowing that they would become evil!)implies that they lack the ability to effect this future pre-emptively,hence can't be blamed for whatever that future brings,atleast not by a 'loving god'. 2).omnipotence: The famous omnipotence!.I define omnipotence as the ability to be able to bring about all possible outcomes of an event.An omnipotent being should be able to cause an event such that every person that exists should be good and hence avoid the flood(i don't feel particularly uncomfortable about the deterministic nature of this argument,seeing as you have implicitely implied it).But ofcourse omnipotence may also mean that he can bring about a mutually exclusive event such that everyone that exists has freewill and still choose to be good,hence avoiding the flood. 3).what does it say about someone who knows the details of a future event(that said event would include suffering for those participating in it) yet proceeds to bring it about?i'll leave you to answer that.

Ifeann:


I don't think I implied no freewill.. I believe we have freewill and at the same time God is all knowing.

johnydon22:
Reading about jewish mythology, the God portrayed there can be call to be very irrational, barbaric, saddistic, blood thirsty and [size=20] infacticidal [/size]

One example is the flood myth as found both in the bible and quran...
The whole world was bad except for one man, as impossible as this is let me ignore it and assume it to be so..
Then my question now is [size=20] What about the little children were they bad too or is it that they just don't count? ... it beats me to fathom how a sane minded person would subject millions of children to such a horrible death as drowning and for what? what they don't even have any idea of [/size]

The sodom and gomorrah mythology, yahweh was looking for 10 good people and he will spare the city, but he didn't consider the millions of children in that city...my question is [size=20] doesn't the children count? what sort of monster would rain fire upon innocent children just to punish wicked ones? [/size] are the millions of children that should be in sodom and gomorrah not enough to spare the city? don't they outnumber 10 good people by millions?

They are many verses and examples that can be hewn from the bible, killing every inhabitants of a city including women and children, dashing infants on rocks. . . Seems this jewish deity or should i say (abrahamic deity on a wider scale) do not seem to care about children..

[size=20] Don't the little innocent children count?? [/size]

tartar9:
you see,if ISIS didn't behead those children they would have grown into Infidels and later ending up in Hell

LucemFerre:


Genesis 20
5. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, PUNISHING THE CHILDREN FOR THE SIN OF THE PARENTS TO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATON OF THOSE WHO HATE ME
6. but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments

And we're supposed to shut da fuc|< up because... Romans 9:20 says
No, don't say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, "Why have you made me like this?"

And Isaiah 55...

8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
    neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
    so are my ways higher than your ways
    and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 As the rain and the snow
    come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
    without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
    so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
    It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
    and achieve the purpose for which I sent it

Answered

"Know thy enemy" ~Sun Tzu

johnydon22:


How does this answer the question
what concerns Canaan and the flood myth in the op or you just felt like borrowing another one all together..

So drowning the whole earth is justice to you?
Owk ....

johnydon22:



So i take it that you are implying those children would have turned bad if allowed to live?

They are many verses and examples that can be hewn from the bible, killing every inhabitants of a city including women and children, dashing infants on rocks

johnydon22:


And this is what justice is?
punishing children down to the fourth generation for the sins of their parents (what they have no idea about)

Hhmmm wondering why the human basic sense of justice is far better and moral that that of this barbaric jewish deity..

johnydon22:


Exactly what ifeann is implying... murder them they will turn bad when they grow..

Ifeann:


U asked;



From my reply, clearly my answer is yes and I gave a detailed reason why..


You also said this, apparently u have forgotten.


I decided to start with one of those verses that described the destruction of the cannaite clans eg amorites.


If u think the great flood was a myth then we have no issues here, do we? If u are addressing me, a theist then be polite enough not to call it a myth. Not cool dude.

Ifeann:


Dude my comments are not in anyway comparable to the muslim thirst for blood. Whereas the muslim quran contains prescribed commands of murder and jihad , the Old testament contains description of Jewish history.. I am just giving u my view on the event that happened thousands of years ago and is not sanctioned by christainity. Remember I am not an ancient Jew.

Muslims kill infidels because they believe everyone is born a muslim so killing babies born to nonmuslims will take them to baby paradise for their baby 72 virgins. And adult infidels don't deserve to live.

Christianity is all about love and the bible is a collection of manuscripts containing Old law, Jewish history and the gospels as well as God's words.

johnydon22:

Lol so yahweh drowing the whole world as in the op is not sanctioned by the christians... remind why again you are defending that one act of barbarism, saddism and extreme infacticide

johnydon22:


One thing with me is that i dont take delight long posts cus i find them extremely boring...

My question was simple "are you implying the children would have turned bad if allowed to live?"

Yes or No

Ifeann:



“As I live, says the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live”(Ez. 33.11).

The bible tells the reader that God does not delight in the death of the wicked. He gave the amorites 400 years of Grace to change, being ominipotent my guess is that God knew that they will not change but he was not quick to bring his judgement upon them.

Here is his message to Abraham;
“Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. . . . And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites [one of the Canaanite clans] is not yet complete”(Gen. 15. 13, 16).


So for 400 years the amorites continued in their iniquity and villainy. Babies where born who grew up to follow the evil footsteps of their parents. For 400 years, its fair to say this people made up their mind to be evil as a culture.


Think of it! God stays His judgement of the Canaanite clans 400 years because their wickedness had not reached the point of intolerability! This is the long-suffering God we know in the Hebrew Scriptures. He even allows his own chosen people to languish in slavery for four centuries before determining that the Canaanite peoples are ripe for judgement and calling His people forth from Egypt.


By the time of their destruction, Canaanite culture was, in fact, debauched and cruel, embracing such practices as ritual prostitution and even child sacrifice. The Canaanites are to be destroyed“that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God”(Deut. 20.18).

God had morally sufficient reasons for His judgement upon Canaan, and Israel was merely the instrument of His justice, just as centuries later God would use the pagan nations of Assyria and Babylon to judge Israel.

People have a misconception about God's approach to justice. He is forgiving, loving but he is also just.

Ifeann:


If u abort then u are playing god, Steve job's mom was in a position to abort Steve after she got preganant and had to drop out of school.. I and several millions enjoy their Ipod, iphone, macs etc because she didn't make the decision to abort.

Euthanasia, GMOs, eugenics are also other example of man playing god. Not a good idea. This is very different from the OPs argument.

Ifeann:


We are all entitled to our individual opinions whether they are right or wrong.