Rilwon:


Was Adam created for your 2reasons above?



You've just contradicted yourself, you claim that God created us to worship him and to love our neighbours, now to WORSHIPPING God requires an effort to PLEASE HIM, do you want to disagree with this?



Xtianity is not exempted.



And I said If RELIGION is the believe of superhuman called GOD according to you, are you saying xtianity doesn't
believe in GOD since religionists believe in GOD?



I don't need to ask google, google wasn't the one that create the OP, was it?

Rilwon:


So, God sees all of us as fools according to the bolded?
But in the chapter 4 of that verse, we are told that God dwell in the midst of the righteous, who are these righteous if all of us are fools?

Lets not forget that JESUS call the phrisees fool for thinking that the gold is greater than the temple of God.

Mattew 23:17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?




Are christians good?

malvisguy212:
when God created adam, God had a personal relationship with him,this relationship stop when adam disobeyed God.

When I say this word "religion is like a man putting effort to pleased God" I was showing you how wrong man idea are.

Thoes christians who thought salvation is by there own work ,they are wrong.

When I say " Christianity is a relationship with GOD". Your understanding on this is that since Christianity is not a religion

christians don't believe in God ,let me ask you this, to have a relationship with God and to have a relationship with human just to reached out for God, which do you preferred?

malvisguy212:
[b] yes, out behaviour are foolish. Unless you think you can lead a perfectly moral life, God has a solution for your problem. God's solution is to allow you to trade your moral imperfection for the moral perfection of Jesus Christ. The
trade is accomplished through faith in
Jesus' sacrifice as payment for your sins.
The offer is really generous, but will cost
you your self-righteousness. No, you
can't remain an atheist either. As the
psalmist says, you must "seek God."

The context is clear in Mattew 23:17. Woes to the pharesse and scribes, they show more emphasise on the law rather than what God realy want (your heart). I will ask you the same question Jesus ask this people, which is more sacred to God? Your heart or the gold in your mosque?

Rilwon:


What was the personal relationship God had with Adam?
Also, When did God decided to start creating human for the purpose of worship and loving one another alone? ****cite bible passage to substantiate it**



But worshipping GOD is also an effort in pleasing GOD, isn't it?



I agree. same thing in islam.



No, you yourself claim led that christianity is not a RELIGION while you also claimed that a religion is a believe in Superhuman called GOD. Then definitely you are saying that xtianity doesnt believe in GOD (according to your def' ofreligion)



Of course, with GOD ALONE.

Rilwon:


So God created us to be foolish abii? so that he can come to die for our foolishness.

Wait ooo, are those writer of the OT foolish too??



We are talking about morals here, what is the morality derive in this verse when jesus call those who don't agree with him "fools"

Can you call those who think watching football is far more interesting that going to church "fools"? <<<< i'll like to see your answer to this

malvisguy212:
God created you and give you the power of freewill (choice) if you decided to acts foolishly and denounced God,it your choice,you are not foolish because you choose to abandoned God, you are foolish because you chose death instead of life;
Deuteronomy 30:19
This day I call the heavens and the earth
as witnesses against you that I have set
before you life and death, blessings and
curses. Now choose life, so that you and
your children may live

malvisguy212:
the bible say as adam sinned he here the footsteps of God walking in the garden and he hide himself(genesis 3:this indicate that God is visual to them and he walk freely with them but the day they sinned, this relationship was cut off,ever since God had not walk with human but thoes who had a relationship with God, God has revealed himself to them just like me.

In Jesus' parable of the banquet, the
master of the house (representing
God) invited a large number of
guests. Most of the invited guests
made excuses and did not want to
go to the banquet (representing
heaven). Jesus said, "Then the
master [God] told his servant, 'Go
out to the roads and country lanes
and make them come in, so that my
house will be full.'" ( Luke 14:23)
One of the invited guest appear without a Rob(represent sinner) and the master cast him out.

As a muslims if the purpose of God creating you is not to worship God and love your neighbours and it's ok with you, fine.(am not surprise,you are a muslim that why you ask such silly question)

Religion seth the standards to attained God holiness but God provide a way to reachout to him, you must accepts his word(Jesus christ) and the holiness of God will indwell in you.you preferred having a relationship with God, has God ever revealed himself to you?

As a christian you don't have a personal relationship with God you never encounter God, you still got a lot to do.

Rilwon:


If they decided to choose death, why call them fools? can you also do the same?

malvisguy212:
,you
are not foolish because you choose
to abandoned God, you are foolish
because you chose death instead of
life.

Rilwon:


So ADAM was created for no other purpose but to keep company with GOD isn't it?

Okay now, So When did God decided to start creating human for the purpose of worship and loving one another alone?


This is irrelevant



Lolz...whatever



How did GOD reach out to the people of the past before jesus?




Have you ever encounter God? How?

Rilwon:


What makes me foolish when i choosed death when actually am going to die? what makes you think despite chossing life you wont die again?

What is death? What is life?

malvisguy212:
does this sound right to you?
" Who hurt muhammed will have a painful torment" is muhammed Allah? Yes, no wounder surah 4:80 say" Whoever obeys the
Messenger has obeyed Allah.”. They are both ONE person

malvisguy212:
your question dosent make sense,you keep on repeating the same thing.

You agree God created adam and leter you are asking me when did He create human to have a relationship with him, does this make sense to you?

God reach out to the people through his prophet,and when ever his prophet want to start his messages, he start like this; "the word of God came to me"example Jeremiah1:4
The word of the LORD came to me, saying, Jesus is the word of God,only him used the word "verily I say"

malvisguy212:
you think it is
physical death? Shm

Rilwon:


Really? perhaps your brain was unable to grab it or that you couldnt find a site to copy and paste as you've been doing



You said "when God created adam, God had a personal relationship with him,this relationship stop when adam disobeyed God." and you also said " what is the purpose of God creating you? Is it not to worship him and love your fellow human?
i asked you was adm also created to worship God? you said no that adam lost his relationship with GOD




Compare this: Deut 2:2 Then the LORD said to me,

mujahid1339:
then the Israelites weren't disobeying God,they were disobeying Moses.they were not obeying God then,they were obeying Moses.your argument is lame.

frank317:
My God is the right one...

No! My God is the right one....

They kill each other yet the so called Gods remain silent


You people will never learn.

malvisguy212:
does this sound right to you?
" Who hurt muhammed will have a painful torment" is muhammed Allah? Yes, no wounder surah 4:80 say" Whoever obeys the
Messenger has obeyed Allah.”. They are both ONE person

truthman2012:


Muhammad is equal to allah, yet they (muslims) say allah has no partner. Muslims deceiving themselves.

malvisguy212:
The Bible challenges believers to "Test everything" and "Hold on to the good." God Himself in His revelation to Isaiah stated, "Come now, and let us reason together..." The very reason why atheists attack Christianity above all other religions is because Christianity directly challenges the atheist's assertion that belief in God is irrational.

When it comes to morality, atheists tend
to be very quiet about what role atheism plays in shaping their personal morality.
You won't find atheists saying that their
atheism was influential in getting them
off of drugs, stopping their alcoholism
and ending their addictions to pornography, gambling, or any other
personal moral fault. The fact is that
atheism has no power at all to change
personal morality (in a positive way).

malvisguy212:
thank you my good friend, you see,muslims are just deceiving themselves,when Jesus forgive sin in the bible they say the bible joined partner with God, but we see muhammed do the same thing in the quran and the muslims are ok with it, this is satanic spell that only Jesus can set free.

This verse indicate only God can forgive sin;
Say: "O my Servants who have
transgressed against their souls! Despair
not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives
all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most
Merciful.” S. 39:53 Y. Ali

Here is another verse that say muhammed has the power to forgive sin even though the quran say muhammed is just a mortal man, infacte a sinner;

O our people! respond to Allah's
SUMMONER and believe in HIM. HE will
forgive you some of your sins and guard
you from a painful doom. And whoso
respondeth not to Allah's SUMMONER he
can nowise escape in the earth, and he
hath no protecting friends (awliyaa)
instead of HIM. Such are in error
manifest. S. 46:31-32

How can a sinner forgive sin? (48:2 ... so that God may forgive you your past and future sins, and perfect His goodness to you; ...)this is satanic deception.

johnydon22:

what?

seriously if you need anybody or religion to guide you morally then you honestly do not have human empathy in you.

truthman2012:


Muhammad was not in a position to forgive sin. A sinner cannot forgive a sinner. What kind of sin did he not commit? No muslim of today can commit as many sins as Muhammad. I don't know who committed more sins between him and Hitler.

malvisguy212:
the new covenant of God is love ,the messages Jesus teaches is a good moral messages which is a influence to million of people infacte the messages of the apostles is Love

what is the hope of atheism? There are many atheists who are into drugs and hard life, can you provide one testimony of an atheist overcomes this behaviour?

johnydon22:
they are billions of christians into these stuffs too.. Infact 95% of all crimes are being committed by theists. in us prison only about 1.5% are atheists... Am still wondering what you mean by hope here..

Do you know how you feel after being in the sun for a long time then gets home, takes a cold shower and a cold drink and relax, thats exactly how atheism feels. "Relaxing and freedom"

You can go about believing stuffs because it gives you hope u will get a golden mansion after you are dead just like muslims are hoping for 72virgins, thats your own cup of tea..lol

People will believe a lie becaise they want it to be true, or because they fear it might be true- Zedicus Zul Zorranda (legend of the seeker)

malvisguy212:

Christians are far more likely than
atheists to be part of groups that work
hard to instill values about being good to
other people, and having good
relationships. The teachings of the Bible
emphasize values such as honesty, love,
forgiveness, patience, and generosity.
Many of these values are not
emphasized in social circles dominated
by atheists.
Importance of moral values
A survey of 1,600 Canadians asked them
what were their beliefs about God and
what moral values they considered to be
"very important." The results of the
survey are shown below:
Moral Values of Theists vs.
Atheists
Moral Value
Theists
Atheists
Honesty
94%
89%
Kindness
88
75
Family life
88
65
Being loved
86
70
Friendship
85
74
Courtesy
81
71
Concern for others
82
63
Forgiveness
84
52
Politeness
77
65
Friendliness
79
66
Patience
72
39
Generosity
67
37
Although the differences between theists
and atheists in the importance of values
such as honesty, politeness, and
friendliness are generally small, moral
values emphasized by religious beliefs,
such as Christianity, including patience,
forgiveness, and generosity exhibit major
differences in attitudes (30%+
differences between theists and atheists)
.
What really concerns me is that only half
of atheists think that forgiveness is very
important. Either these people have not
been married or maybe married multiple
times, since a lack of forgiveness in a
marriage is a sure recipe for disaster.
Couple that moral belief with a
perception that neither patience nor
generosity are very important, and it
seems that the divorce rates are likely to
go up significantly in the near future.
According to Professor Bibby, Grandma is
the "symbolic saintly person in the clan.
So valuing Grandma also means valuing
many of the things important to her. In
successive generations you have a
lingering effect of morality. But further
down the road generations get further
removed from the sources of those
values. That's where it gets tricky."

johnydon22:
lmao... funny We really are seeing the theist moral values as muslems are blowing themselves and every other person up, slitting throats, reeking harvoc on planet earth, when only 1.5% of american prisoners are atheist, and i need not tell you how Christian militia almost wiped out all the muslims in central africa republic..smh...Lmao am loving your lies tho..

How ironic the biggest charitable human on earth is bill gates an atheist .anyway am not here to defend anyone tho just stop applyin fallacy to try make a point, that is not even moral too ... But am i supposed to read all that? when will you stop this your copy and paste? anyway i say it again "Be good for goodness sake"

malvisguy212:
muslims are killing because the quran not teach moral value, but no where in the bible Jesus command us to killed. This is what I paste;
The teachings of the
Bible
emphasize values such as honesty,
love,
forgiveness, patience, and
generosity.
Many of these values are not
emphasized in social circles
dominated
by atheists