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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by groovie(m): 7:16am On Apr 20, 2015 |
This argument shouldn't even happen. A welfare package for unemployed should be totally repelled by Nigerians. Is buhari going to be everywhere to make sure its goes round? This is just going to feed the corruption he is trying to fight. And it cannot have any massive effect on agriculture. People eating more cannot translate to an agricultural boom. 1 Like |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by NewsHub: 7:18am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Obiagelli:That's the problem i have with Barcanista since he became a TANoid. He thinks he knows too much when the reality is that he doesn't. Telling Obiageli that he wants to bring things to his level is just a show of arrogance. I don't like people that feel they know too much when they know just little. 2 Likes |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 7:28am On Apr 20, 2015 |
NewsHub:He reminds me of ayedee on twitter, they are very good at copy and paste. 3 Likes |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by anonimi: 7:31am On Apr 20, 2015 |
jpphilips: What nation's investment Is the nation same as Shell, Total, BP, Elf, Philips, Agip and other foreign oyinbo oil companies? |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Gbawe: 7:37am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Obiagelli: You'r welcomed. I just hate seeing these Sharks and Barracudas taking advantage of your sweet nature. If some discredited and attention-seeking hack starts a thread aimed at casting doubt over the viability of one the campaign pledges of Buhari and the APC then don't take such personal to the extent you feel duty-bound to respond and defend Buhari/APC. One thing I want most APC fans to understand is that it is not decent or objective PDP supporters talking right now i.e before the Buhari APC Government is formally sworn in on May 29th. Most sensible PDP supporters, even if they believe the APC will fail, will at least wait till Buhari is sworn in, to note the composition of his team, before saying "I told you so". We are then left with the reality that most PDP supporters currently commenting daily to insult Buhari and cast doubt/aspersion over his leadership of Nigeria, which has not begun, are not even political animals with the progress of Nigeria guiding their criticism since they don't even understand the basic rules of playing political opposition. These guys are merely bitter, hateful and mainly ethnocentric folks who are nothing but enemies of Nigeria's progress. They are hurt deeply because they staked reputation on their silly 'predictions' and insults here. Those sort are beneath your shoes and not worth indulging or respecting. They passionately supported and clannishly hoped for the return of the profligate and very corrupt GEJ who was on course to turning Nigeria into a bankrupt Somali yet they are now keen to portray Buhari, not even sworn in yet, as failed. These are very wicked, attention-seeking and vainglorious souls and I would urge you and others to begin ignoring them. You cannot be in your own car in the driving seat only for some ungrateful passenger to be telling you how fast to drive. You simply ignore such a passenger or tell them to get out. You don't start explaining or justifying yourself to them. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 7:40am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Flets:Thats why I want to remain PDP supporter, its only PDP supporters in NL that knows their Onion |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by persius555(m): 7:40am On Apr 20, 2015 |
groovie:you are right @ the moment we havent sorted out our finance yet. A welfare package is tantamount to welfare subsidy fraud. The system is overly corrupt, GMB should be dogged to root out corruption first. Look around him, he is sorrounded by wolves and scavengers who have benefitted from the countrys rot for years. We are certainly not ripe for welfare packages. The pension schemes that should take care of the elderly that have given their years to serving the country is itself a rot. These institutions with loopholes are what GMB look into and plug those holes, not opening a leeway for another national wastage program that will eventually not benefit the ordinary man on the street. Barcanista should wake up from his eldorado slumber |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 7:43am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Obiagelli: Just shut up already, I just came to this party, I tot you were intelligent and knowledgeable until now ...you and your APC think things work the way you see it in papper, written by OBJ and SLS 1 Like |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by ndcide(m): 7:43am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Obiageli can bring out any figure she likes. I shall use her figures when APC tell us to there is no money. 1 Like |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by PassingShot(m): 7:49am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Obiagelli, kudos to you for the effort. Barcanista and his goons are enemies of progress and their hope that GMB's regime will fail will not happen. GMB and his team will deliver us from 16 years of lootocracy and backward leadership of PDP. The worst that can happen is for GMB/PYO not to achieve 100% of their campaign promises but it is not to fail woefully as the outgoing administration. Once GMB is able to deliver up to 70% of his campaign promises in the first four years, trust Nigerians to reward him with another term. The funny retrogressives do not even mind that GEJ did not achieve 30% of his own electoral promises and they're already out with the knives for GMB. They are sore losers! 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by PassingShot(m): 7:50am On Apr 20, 2015 |
CHESSBOARD: You're a m0r0n! Can you tell us what your compound failure called Jonadunce achieved for almost six years? |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by papaejima1: 7:50am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Obiagelli:Quoting you so I can reference it when the right time comes 1 Like |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by francisdfreak: 7:52am On Apr 20, 2015 |
did anyone notice how comments from PDP supporters reduced this morning? that's because most pdp guys have lives and businesses outside nairaland to take care of unlike apc paid touts who spend the whole day on nairaland working for their pay. 2 Likes |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by persius555(m): 7:54am On Apr 20, 2015 |
FIGHT CORRUPTION HEAD ON, NO APOLOGIES. MAKE A SHOW OF THOSE FOUND TO BE INVOLVED IN CORRUPT PRACTICES. HIGH OR LOW, BRING THEM DOWN. SOLVE THE INHERENT POWER ENERGY SECTOR PROBLEM. TO ME, THAT IS 70% OF THE JOB DONE. 1 Like |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by mechanics(m): 7:54am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Obiagelli:hahaha, na me send u make u solve maths, u 4 contact me make i assist u, anyway ur analysis make sense, i believe d incoming govt wil perform if d rite people ar selected n giving free hand to do their wrk. |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Demdem(m): 7:57am On Apr 20, 2015 |
jpphilips: This is true. |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by persius555(m): 7:57am On Apr 20, 2015 |
francisdfreak:Not everyone has a white collar job, some are self employed. |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kaboninc(m): 7:57am On Apr 20, 2015 |
sarahatuba: Cc: trillville In as much as these kids are from poor homes, because they are about 35 million of them, it is not feasible, economic wise, considering the prevailing circumstances of today, considering the reduce income, considering the urgent attention required for critical public infrastructures to embark on a meal per day feeding programme. Instead you empower the parents. If they like farming, you encourage them through subsidising fertilisers, seedlings and farm tools. You also give them soft loans too. You create a thriving market when the Government (and encouraging other investors) to buy farm produce so as to prevent a damage of these produce. You encourage people to work and impact the orientation of no free food. That's why we have the menace of agberos and touts in bus parks and bus stops everywhere in Lagos who do nothing but exploit those who work. That's why today you go to an Ikwerre community in Rivers State and the youths actually do nothing then every month expect stipend from oil companies simply because pipelines pass through their community (pipelines they do not protect). So very soon, these children will begin to feel that free meal is their 'right'. Remember we've not talked about the cost implications and add to the 5k every month for 25 million Nigerians. Trillville, (cc: Obiagelli) I understand from your link that feeding 35 million kids everyday will also lead to a boom in the agricultural sector. Hmmmm. Yeah, you have a point. But where will government get that kind of money? That is the focus of this debate. Where will they get the trillions required? Hope you also know that this meal per day programme works in tandem with 5k per month to ge given to 25 million Nigerians? It is not about possibility but sensibility! Then Oby, you talk of Nasawara? Every state has a mineral deposit. Unfortunately, they've not been harnessed and developed as the oil industry. So in fact, in the next 4 years, they will not be able to generate 4.6trn. Let me fill you in on a crude method for determining how you can calculate revenue (just revenue) that can be accrued. Identify the minerals. Identify the deposits. Then determine the average industry production per day, month and year. Then the sales price per unit of measurement. In all these, put in mind the current state of development in the industry. And the time it will take to actually achieve your figures. Remember we've not considered the cost and other associated expenses. 1 Like |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 7:58am On Apr 20, 2015 |
PassingShot: My humble comrade, I think you're wrong to believe barcanista and all those who oppose the APC are enemies of Nigeria. That's wrong sir. It's my utmost belief that NO ONE will be happy to see Nigeria fail; it doesn't make any sense. It's all we have, and it's our SINCERE desires that this nation takes its rightful place in the comity of nations. That's the end of all our politics, both here and offline. We're all patriots, doing our bits to see things improve, so we can move beyond the current spectrum of things. We're NOT ENEMIES of Nigeria; we are ONLY hawking around to see NO ONE promises us what sound judgment tells us it's not feasible, given the time frame and the economic realities on ground. We shall be happy to be proved wrong! We talk for development; we talk for progress. Good morning Bro! |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by PassingShot(m): 8:00am On Apr 20, 2015 |
persius555: Don't mind the failed TANoids! 1 Like |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by dabossman(m): 8:02am On Apr 20, 2015 |
I just have one question. How much of Nigeria's income is stolen annually? Maybe when we determine that amount and we can prevent this theft considerably, we will be able to determine whether Buhari's administration will have enough funds for its social welfare programs. One thing I know though, social welfare for the unemployed and aged is not a concept that is unheard of around the world. If some other countries can do it, then maybe we can find a system that will work for us. Besides, the more jobs you are able to create, the less welfare you will pay. Rather than go on about how Buhari will fail, I will rather wait to judge his first year in office. 1 Like |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by sauceEEP(m): 8:03am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Obiagelli should be given a medal. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Demdem(m): 8:07am On Apr 20, 2015 |
[b]I have no doubt that the social programs proposed by the General's team is workable. First and foremost, its foolish for anyone to completely believe any figure published by this current govt as the true state of income. SO many wast ages here and there and so many monies spent not even accounted for in the budget. When Buhari comes on board, all these lies will be shared to all Nigerians. In many instances, figues qouted by the FIRS will be contrary to that qouted by the finance ministry and different from NNPC/PET ministry and even different from that qouted from account general and CBN for a particular common issue. I could still remember the subsidy debate debacle that Jonah-daft agents simply do not have common figures. This was delibrately done to confuse the populace and deny them of knowing the true situation of things thereby enabling them to continue to perpetrate their fraud. The General intends harnessing all these loopholes and i am confident that even after all these social programs have been implemented, so much will still be available for other developmental stuffs. Even the respected Prof Soludo agreed that so much more monies are there that are not even accounted for in the budget. By the way, the amnesty fraud will be stopped. Thats extra billions to play with.[/b] 2 Likes |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by PassingShot(m): 8:07am On Apr 20, 2015 |
dearpreye: If you're not one of those who wish him fail, talk for yourself. APC's manifesto was dissected by Prof Soludo to which APC replied appropriately. Given the fact that there are enormous challenges in achieving their programs should not translate to mean they're not achievable. If all of you PDP apologists here scrutinized GEJ/PDP on their achievements viz a viz their promises even after four years, perhaps we would have gotten better outcome from them. Unfortunately you looked the other side and they looted like there was no tomorrow. Having behaved that way, what moral justification do you have to attack a regime that has not even taken a step in administering our affairs? Like I said, GMB will be judged on his campaign core promises of security, corruption and improving the economy. Though the social programs are part of those promises but do not even have to be immediate. Constructive criticism is welcomed by us the progressives but not the nonsense some of you are into. |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Reference(m): 8:08am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Hmmm. The beauty of democracy is that people have to and often get informed to get ahead and sometimes stay ahead. There is nothing wrong in making campaign promises way out of the norm. Any one who desires to really excel sets seemingly unachievable targets and works towards them to the extent that though they may not be attained, improves the state of the person. To say Nigeria cannot raise its revenue base in the short, medium or long term is just ridiculous. Plugging waste and increasing efficiency for instance can double our earnings overnight. However for the sake of an academic argument the facts are clear. Budgets are subjective. They are not one plus one. They contain a lot of assumptions and thus experienced economists build a lot of safety mechanisms to bring them in line. One of such assumptions is the 2 million barrels x 365 days. Is this the minimum, maximum or average. Second, the 60 or so dollars is a bench mark or in layman's terms, the market price. Anyone who buys and sells stuff knows that that price is not cast in stone. Refiners negotiate prices per cargo. Oil is delivered on contract. Contracts are negotiated. There are so many other points of education. Someone mentioned solid minerals. The infrastructure required to make the industry viable from mine to market is not there. It doesn't take a genius to note that if DeBeers and Rio Tinto and the other Chinese giants are not banging at our gates it is because there just isn't any attraction. Something is basically wrong about our decades old hallucination about solid minerals. Finally the politicking. I say it again. Anyone who thinks the Buhari led government should not be taken to task for whatever reason is just not serious. The standard to which the out-going regime took freedom of speech and freedom of information and from which the APC benefitted from cannot suddenly stop or be reversed and I repeat again. Democracy only works with an effective opposition. No true APC member will hold Buhari accountable for campaign promises. It is his opponents the masses are hoping that will compel him to perform. 1 Like |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by dabossman(m): 8:09am On Apr 20, 2015 |
francisdfreak: Oga, be careful when you point a finger at others. You've got three pointing back at you. What are you doing here this early morning? Are you an APC tout? Me? I'm on leave. What's your story? 1 Like |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Omooba77: 8:10am On Apr 20, 2015 |
jpphilips:I guess you can pass your comments without been abusive ;shows your upbringing. Unless we reduce recurrent expenditure. Please learn more about basic economy and how to be formal in public forum sir |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Reference(m): 8:16am On Apr 20, 2015 |
PassingShot: This is what I am saying. How do you expect him to criticise the party he supports. That was your job. His job now is to criticise your party, your government because you won't naturally do so. |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by genevieve12(f): 8:16am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Ngasky:I don't think buhari can reed nigeria from corruption even in 8years,as corruption is deeper at d grassroot but visible at d top,so when nigerians are ready to tackle corruption from their end,then it can be curbed,with d way citizens struggle for election money calling it national cake,its still clear that corruption is nigeria and Nigeria itself is corruption.until we help ourself even Jesus as the president of nigeria can not help us. |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Omooba77: 8:19am On Apr 20, 2015 |
dearpreye: God bless you for this;once you oppose their view;they become aggressive and abusive. Thank God we have the change they are clamouring for;let's watch how it unfold. Nigeria belongs to us all |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by jpphilips(m): 8:19am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Coldfeet: Limestone is mined by Dangote and Lafarge these companies pay tax to FIRS, Schlumberger mine Barite and Bentonite, they pay tax to FG, where do you think the FIRS trillions come from? |
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by PassingShot(m): 8:23am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Reference: But how do you criticize a government that has not taken charge? Why not wait till after May 29 to do their criticism and make it constructive? That's the problem I have with them. |
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