| Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by hadizadeezy(f): 9:11am On Apr 25, 2015 |
QUESTION:
I would like to know the interpretation of the
Hadeeth according to which the prophet
Muhamma (S.A.W) stated that women lack in
intelligence. A hanafi site on the internet
( islam.tc/ask-imam ) stated in detail that the
hadeeth implies what it literally means and
that men are more intelligent than women.
It gives examples of superiority of Quran
amongst other books. Allah forgive me if I
am sinful for not agreeing with this
interpretation. I would like o know if this is
the only interpretation according to the
Ahnaaf or even other madhabs?
Reply:
(TEXT and SOURCING)
The hadith states that the Prophet MHMD upon
him blessings and peace, addressed a
group of women in the mosque, saying:
"I have not seen any one more deficient in
intelligence and religion than you. A
cautious, sensible man could be led astray
by some of you." The women asked: "O
Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our
intelligence and religion?" He said: "Is not
the evidence of two women equal to the
witness of one man?" They replied in the
affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency
of your intelligence"... "Isn't it true that a
woman can neither pray nor fast during her
menses?" The women replied in the
affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency
in your religion."
It is related in al-Bukhari and Muslim.
ITS MEANING IS NOT LITERAL
The hadith here uses two figures of speech:
the first is hyperbole ( mubalagha ) meaning
exaggeration in the words "even a prudent,
sensible man might be led astray by some
of you" i.e. a fortiori an ordinary man.
The second figure is synechdoche ( majaz
mursal ) consisting in using the whole for
the part: intelligence to mean the specific
legal testimony of a woman, and religion to
mean the prayer and fast at the time of
menses.
Numerous verses and other narrations
stress that the reward of women equals that
of men even if their acts differ. So this
particular narration is not meant literally but
as an acknowledgment of the inordinate
power women wield over men while
ostensibly less active in the public and
spiritual spheres.
THREE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND
MEANINGS
Three additional meanings provide an
indispensable completion of the picture of
this hadith. These meanings revolve around
fundraising for jihad, the blame of women's
cursing of their husbands, and the
playfulness of the Prophet, upon him
blessings and peace, with his female public.
1. FUNDRAISING
The real import of the hadith - spoken at the
Farewell Pilgrimage - and its actual context
was that the Prophet, upon him blessings
and peace, challenged the women that were
present to realize that unless they helped
raise money with their gold and jewelry,
they would miss the reward of men waging
jihad as well as show ingratitude.
2. BLAME OF CURSING
In the full version of the hadith the Prophet
MHMD upon him blessings and peace, also
orders the women to ask forgiveness and
desist from frequently cursing their
husbands. All this was spoken at a time of
(1) the impending departure of the latter on
jihad; (2) the impending departure of the
Prophet, upon him blessings and peace,
from this world; and (3) the fact that
"Cursing the believer is like killing him."
3. PLAYFULNESS
The Prophet MHMD upon him blessings and
peace, was also being playful in his use of
strong terms to impress this teaching on
the listeners. Ruqayyah Waris Maqsud
writes:
"After the Farewell Pilgrimage at the Eid
prayer, the Prophet (Allah bless him and
give him peace) walked past the men
leaning on Bilal's arm, and came to the
rows of women behind them. Bilal spread
out a cloth and the Prophet (Allah bless him
and give him peace) urged the women to be
generous with their gifts of charity, for when
he had been allowed a glimpse into the
flames of Hell, he had noted that most of the
people being tormented there were women.
The women were outraged, and one of them
instantly stood up boldly and demanded to
know why that was so. 'Because,' he
replied, 'you women grumble so much, and
show ingratitude to your husbands! Even if
the poor fellows spent all their lives doing
good things for you, you have only to be
upset at the least thing and you will say, 'I
have never received any good from
you!' (Bukhari 1.28, recorded by Ibn Abbas -
who was present on that occasion as a
child). At that the women began vigorously
to pull off their rings and ear-rings, and
throw them into Bilal's cloth."
In conclusion, we need to remove the
meaning of the words of the Prophet MHMD
upon him blessings and peace, from our
contemporary context of sour feminism and
the clash of the sexes, and replace it into its
proper context: namely, a parting, wartime
exhortation using certain figures of speech
which are not meant literally, nor are
women the issue although they are
addressed pointedly and, as it were, by the
scruff of their gender; but rather, to trigger
among wealthy and sensible citizens acts of
generosity for the greater good while
reminding them that life is fleeting and
thankfulness a surer way to Paradise than
despair.
and Allah knows best.
gibril
[2006-05-30]
#copied! |
| Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by tartar9(m): 7:25am On Apr 30, 2015 |
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| Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by tartar9(m): 7:27am On Apr 30, 2015 |
hadizadeezy:
QUESTION:
I would like to know the interpretation of the
Hadeeth according to which the prophet
Muhamma (S.A.W) stated that women lack in
intelligence. A hanafi site on the internet
( islam.tc/ask-imam ) stated in detail that the
hadeeth implies what it literally means and
that men are more intelligent than women.
It gives examples of superiority of Quran
amongst other books. Allah forgive me if I
am sinful for not agreeing with this
interpretation. I would like o know if this is
the only interpretation according to the
Ahnaaf or even other madhabs?
Reply:
(TEXT and SOURCING)
The hadith states that the Prophet MHMD upon
him blessings and peace, addressed a
group of women in the mosque, saying:
"I have not seen any one more deficient in
intelligence and religion than you. A
cautious, sensible man could be led astray
by some of you." The women asked: "O
Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our
intelligence and religion?" He said: "Is not
the evidence of two women equal to the
witness of one man?" They replied in the
affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency
of your intelligence"... "Isn't it true that a
woman can neither pray nor fast during her
menses?" The women replied in the
affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency
in your religion."
It is related in al-Bukhari and Muslim.
ITS MEANING IS NOT LITERAL
The hadith here uses two figures of speech:
the first is hyperbole ( mubalagha ) meaning
exaggeration in the words "even a prudent,
sensible man might be led astray by some
of you" i.e. a fortiori an ordinary man.
The second figure is synechdoche ( majaz
mursal ) consisting in using the whole for
the part: intelligence to mean the specific
legal testimony of a woman, and religion to
mean the prayer and fast at the time of
menses.
Numerous verses and other narrations
stress that the reward of women equals that
of men even if their acts differ. So this
particular narration is not meant literally but
as an acknowledgment of the inordinate
power women wield over men while
ostensibly less active in the public and
spiritual spheres.
THREE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND
MEANINGS
Three additional meanings provide an
indispensable completion of the picture of
this hadith. These meanings revolve around
fundraising for jihad, the blame of women's
cursing of their husbands, and the
playfulness of the Prophet, upon him
blessings and peace, with his female public.
1. FUNDRAISING
The real import of the hadith - spoken at the
Farewell Pilgrimage - and its actual context
was that the Prophet, upon him blessings
and peace, challenged the women that were
present to realize that unless they helped
raise money with their gold and jewelry,
they would miss the reward of men waging
jihad as well as show ingratitude.
2. BLAME OF CURSING
In the full version of the hadith the Prophet
MHMD upon him blessings and peace, also
orders the women to ask forgiveness and
desist from frequently cursing their
husbands. All this was spoken at a time of
(1) the impending departure of the latter on
jihad; (2) the impending departure of the
Prophet, upon him blessings and peace,
from this world; and (3) the fact that
"Cursing the believer is like killing him."
3. PLAYFULNESS
The Prophet MHMD upon him blessings and
peace, was also being playful in his use of
strong terms to impress this teaching on
the listeners. Ruqayyah Waris Maqsud
writes:
"After the Farewell Pilgrimage at the Eid
prayer, the Prophet (Allah bless him and
give him peace) walked past the men
leaning on Bilal's arm, and came to the
rows of women behind them. Bilal spread
out a cloth and the Prophet (Allah bless him
and give him peace) urged the women to be
generous with their gifts of charity, for when
he had been allowed a glimpse into the
flames of Hell, he had noted that most of the
people being tormented there were women.
The women were outraged, and one of them
instantly stood up boldly and demanded to
know why that was so. 'Because,' he
replied, 'you women grumble so much, and
show ingratitude to your husbands! Even if
the poor fellows spent all their lives doing
good things for you, you have only to be
upset at the least thing and you will say, 'I
have never received any good from
you!' (Bukhari 1.28, recorded by Ibn Abbas -
who was present on that occasion as a
child). At that the women began vigorously
to pull off their rings and ear-rings, and
throw them into Bilal's cloth."
In conclusion, we need to remove the
meaning of the words of the Prophet MHMD
upon him blessings and peace, from our
contemporary context of sour feminism and
the clash of the sexes, and replace it into its
proper context: namely, a parting, wartime
exhortation using certain figures of speech
which are not meant literally, nor are
women the issue although they are
addressed pointedly and, as it were, by the
scruff of their gender; but rather, to trigger
among wealthy and sensible citizens acts of
generosity for the greater good while
reminding them that life is fleeting and
thankfulness a surer way to Paradise than
despair.
and Allah knows best.
gibril
[2006-05-30]
#copied! how come the only thing that wasn't fully spelled here was Muhammad's (SAW) name 2 Likes |
| Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by Empiree: 1:53am On May 01, 2015 |
Op, will you be kind enough to provide source (hadith). If you just copied this directly from a site without source embedded, consider it nonsense until you can find one. I dont know if i missing it but i looked through your post, i found none.
Although I did read hadith similar but not this one. That one was interpreted. It has nothing to do with women being deficient intellectually compare to men. Until you can provide the hadith for review, i consider this bogus. 1 Like |
| Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by hadizadeezy(f): 9:23am On May 10, 2015 |
Empiree:
Op, will you be kind enough to provide source (hadith). If you just copied this directly from a site without source embedded, consider it nonsense until you can find one. I dont know if i missing it but i looked through your post, i found none.
Although I did read hadith similar but not this one. That one was interpreted. It has nothing to do with women being deficient intellectually compare to men. Until you can provide the hadith for review, i consider this bogus. if you've not seen something like this before, then you don't read hadith as u claimed. |
| Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by Empiree: 10:37am On May 10, 2015 |
hadizadeezy:
if you've not seen something like this before, then you don't read hadith as u claimed. sounds like you don't understand my post |
| Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by neocortex: 12:29pm On Oct 02, 2015 |
hadizadeezy:
QUESTION:
I would like to know the interpretation of the
Hadeeth according to which the prophet
Muhamma (S.A.W) stated that women lack in
intelligence. A hanafi site on the internet
( islam.tc/ask-imam ) stated in detail that the
hadeeth implies what it literally means and
that men are more intelligent than women.
It gives examples of superiority of Quran
amongst other books. Allah forgive me if I
am sinful for not agreeing with this
interpretation. I would like o know if this is
the only interpretation according to the
Ahnaaf or even other madhabs?
Reply:
(TEXT and SOURCING)
The hadith states that the Prophet MHMD upon
him blessings and peace, addressed a
group of women in the mosque, saying:
"I have not seen any one more deficient in
intelligence and religion than you. A
cautious, sensible man could be led astray
by some of you." The women asked: "O
Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our
intelligence and religion?" He said: "Is not
the evidence of two women equal to the
witness of one man?" They replied in the
affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency
of your intelligence"... "Isn't it true that a
woman can neither pray nor fast during her
menses?" The women replied in the
affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency
in your religion."
It is related in al-Bukhari and Muslim.
ITS MEANING IS NOT LITERAL
The hadith here uses two figures of speech:
the first is hyperbole ( mubalagha ) meaning
exaggeration in the words "even a prudent,
sensible man might be led astray by some
of you" i.e. a fortiori an ordinary man.
The second figure is synechdoche ( majaz
mursal ) consisting in using the whole for
the part: intelligence to mean the specific
legal testimony of a woman, and religion to
mean the prayer and fast at the time of
menses.
Numerous verses and other narrations
stress that the reward of women equals that
of men even if their acts differ. So this
particular narration is not meant literally but
as an acknowledgment of the inordinate
power women wield over men while
ostensibly less active in the public and
spiritual spheres.
THREE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND
MEANINGS
Three additional meanings provide an
indispensable completion of the picture of
this hadith. These meanings revolve around
fundraising for jihad, the blame of women's
cursing of their husbands, and the
playfulness of the Prophet, upon him
blessings and peace, with his female public.
1. FUNDRAISING
The real import of the hadith - spoken at the
Farewell Pilgrimage - and its actual context
was that the Prophet, upon him blessings
and peace, challenged the women that were
present to realize that unless they helped
raise money with their gold and jewelry,
they would miss the reward of men waging
jihad as well as show ingratitude.
2. BLAME OF CURSING
In the full version of the hadith the Prophet
MHMD upon him blessings and peace, also
orders the women to ask forgiveness and
desist from frequently cursing their
husbands. All this was spoken at a time of
(1) the impending departure of the latter on
jihad; (2) the impending departure of the
Prophet, upon him blessings and peace,
from this world; and (3) the fact that
"Cursing the believer is like killing him."
3. PLAYFULNESS
The Prophet MHMD upon him blessings and
peace, was also being playful in his use of
strong terms to impress this teaching on
the listeners. Ruqayyah Waris Maqsud
writes:
"After the Farewell Pilgrimage at the Eid
prayer, the Prophet (Allah bless him and
give him peace) walked past the men
leaning on Bilal's arm, and came to the
rows of women behind them. Bilal spread
out a cloth and the Prophet (Allah bless him
and give him peace) urged the women to be
generous with their gifts of charity, for when
he had been allowed a glimpse into the
flames of Hell, he had noted that most of the
people being tormented there were women.
The women were outraged, and one of them
instantly stood up boldly and demanded to
know why that was so. 'Because,' he
replied, 'you women grumble so much, and
show ingratitude to your husbands! Even if
the poor fellows spent all their lives doing
good things for you, you have only to be
upset at the least thing and you will say, 'I
have never received any good from
you!' (Bukhari 1.28, recorded by Ibn Abbas -
who was present on that occasion as a
child). At that the women began vigorously
to pull off their rings and ear-rings, and
throw them into Bilal's cloth."
In conclusion, we need to remove the
meaning of the words of the Prophet MHMD
upon him blessings and peace, from our
contemporary context of sour feminism and
the clash of the sexes, and replace it into its
proper context: namely, a parting, wartime
exhortation using certain figures of speech
which are not meant literally, nor are
women the issue although they are
addressed pointedly and, as it were, by the
scruff of their gender; but rather, to trigger
among wealthy and sensible citizens acts of
generosity for the greater good while
reminding them that life is fleeting and
thankfulness a surer way to Paradise than
despair.
and Allah knows best.
gibril
[2006-05-30]
#copied! You are asking a rhetorical question, the prophet was being frank with his words , nothing to explain in that hadith. |
| Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by alexis(m): 12:56pm On Oct 02, 2015 |
neocortex:
You are asking a rhetorical question, the prophet was being frank
with his words , nothing to explain in that hadith. So, what did he mean? |
| Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by neocortex: 1:00pm On Oct 02, 2015 |
alexis:
So, what did he mean? It is already in her post, a woman is half as intelligent as a man - Prophet Muhamed. |
| Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by usermane(m): 5:33pm On Oct 02, 2015 |
Anyone looking for the reference of this hadith should look Sahih Bukhari; Book of Menstrual Periods; Hadith 301.
I don't understand what the OP don't get here. Traditonal Islam regard women to be intellectually inferior to men as implied by this Hadith. That is why, under Shariah, a woman cannot be a leader or a judge. The testimony of a woman is generally half of a man 's. You don't need to take my word for it. Do your homework, study Books on Shariah and see the judicial system of Saudi Arabia or Iran where women cannot be rulers, their testimonies in court carries far less weight than men and they cannot serve as judges to decide on cases in such courts. |
| Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by alexis(m): 3:11am On Oct 04, 2015 |
neocortex:
It is already in her post, a woman is half as intelligent as a man - Prophet Muhamed. Oh thanks, I was just confirming |
