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Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by esere826: 5:02pm On May 18, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:*scratches head "uncle is the one English word 'timeless' or is it 'everlasting'?" *begins to cry |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:06pm On May 18, 2015 |
davien: The theory of Evolution is the pseudoscience here. How can you say that living things came from a primordial soup or rocks? The Bible on the other hand is scientifically accurate and is more than that it is also a supernatural book which answers questions science cannot answer such as the origin and purpose of life. davien: Science doesn't claim to answer supernatural phenomena it is your fairytale that attempts to answer it with ridiculous answers such as teaching and believing goo to zoo to you or rather from primordial soup to apelike creatures to man. The fact that they packaged this fanciful imagination and sold it to you as science and you swallowed it hook, line and stinker proves that you've been owned. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:10pm On May 18, 2015 |
tartar9: ATM is right. Sun there for us to measure time in past, present and future dimension. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:14pm On May 18, 2015 |
InesQor: Hi InesQor, How you dey? I got a question for you. How did you think Adam covered distance before he fell? |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:17pm On May 18, 2015 |
esere826: Both of your answers are correct but I will say "Always" |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by Nobody: 5:23pm On May 18, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: You don't even have evidence for your god,why should i even argue with you? 1 Like |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:33pm On May 18, 2015 |
ifeness: You daily stare evidence of God in the face, you've got no excuse. "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:19-20). |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by Nobody: 5:43pm On May 18, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: You started with a childlike strawman, moved on to a lie, then some gibberish and ended with the most ironic statement possible. Good for you |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by InesQor(m): 6:43pm On May 18, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:Hi Olaadegbu, I'm fine thanks! I hope you are, as well. Hmmm your question is a good one. I think it depends on what Eden actually was. Some believe it was a small garden somewhere, but I think it was a huge chunk of the habitable earth at that point in time (all the continents were once joined together as one land mass surrounded by water), so Adam had a lot of space to tend to. In that case, gardening such a huge landmass means he must have had a means to travel faster than what we now have. So he probably covered distance like it's nothing. So maybe he was a giant and could move long distances easily, or maybe his body was not limited by distance (just like Jesus' resurrected body) and could instantaneously move from place to place. That's the most likely case actually. Of course all of this is mere speculation. I personally don't think the story about Adam's fall was meant to be taken exactly literally I.e. The garden, the snake, the tree, the fruit, were probably not physical objects but spiritual and soul objects. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by tartar9(m): 8:58pm On May 18, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:that's not what he said,He said time is made possible by the sun so in a place where there is no sun there is no time which is plainly wrong. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:19pm On May 20, 2015 |
InesQor: That was a good attempt. The NT records Paul, Philip and our resurrected Christ using this special means of transportation, do you know what it was? InesQor: You hit the nail in the bolded above. As for Adam being a giant is stretching the truth but I believe you hit the nail on the head in the bolded above. InesQor: I beg to differ here. The Fall was a historical event with spiritual consequences. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:34pm On May 20, 2015 |
tartar9: God created time. The tilt of the earth's axis as it revolves around the sun causes time. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by Nobody: 8:59pm On May 20, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: Please tell me you're joking man, please. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:48pm On May 20, 2015 |
DProDG: "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let then be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years" (Genesis 1:14) Here you see the establishment of climatological seasons and that they actually indicate that the earth was formed with an axial inclination from the beginning. This is the basic cause of its seasons. The establishment of the sun and moon in their light-giving functions were to be used to measure days and years and to keep record of time and history. So if you're going to have a laugh you better laugh at the ridiculous theory of evolution which is inconsistent with the facts on the ground. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:52pm On May 20, 2015 |
DProDG: All that is your emotional outburst. Give me one concrete evidence that refutes the account of creation. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by Nobody: 6:12am On May 21, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: I don't think you understand that expression because there was nothing 'emotional' about that. I just briefly pointed out the flaws in your post which, of course, you're oblivious to. I can't refute something that is based off faith. OLAADEGBU: I'm just dumbfounded that you and ATMC really think "(revolution around) the sun causes time". There's really no way I can seriously argue that with anyone on that. I sure hope you spotted what I'll assume is a (big) mistake and that's why you reworded what you said and swapped "cause" for "measure". On the other hand, since you guys like bring up evolution, would you mind presenting these 'facts' here? 1 Like |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:19am On May 21, 2015 |
DProDG: There is everything emotional about you using the "evolutionary" tactics of equivocation, ad hominems and ridicule without a single shred of evidence in debunking the doctrine of creation. True science confirms creation. DProDG: I have stated how God created time in the beginning and we can perceive it in past, present and future divisions. DProDG: I have posted some questions for you to get your teeth into in the thread you referred me to. Check it out. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by esere826: 1:36pm On May 21, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:I agree. Especially as I be Christian The tilt of the earth's axis as it revolves around the sun causes time.Nope The effect from the tilting is only one way of measuring time. It's not the cause of time and is quite ancient There is now a generally accepted way of measuring time that has to do with an atomic radiation or something like that There are some parts of the world which have darkness like half of the year http://www.livescience.com/41955-north-pole.html You can't say that it has slower time or 2 days only, can you? Guess what -Time exists outside our solar system although our solar system is mainly ruled by our sun's energy and its tilts Time exists because there is a past, present and future. In order words it references activities before, now, and after, at every point in time. In fact, when you hear words like everlasting, it refers to time, but one that will not cease It's a little bit different from eternal which is a way of describing no beginning and no end Uncle OLAADEGBU abeg I know say u like to dey read bible but try dey read some science books naw |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by Nobody: 2:17pm On May 21, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: What are "evolutionary tactics of equivocation"? Which did I use? What ad hominems? I didn't even mentioned creationism. Your doctrines are not my concern, science is. Humour me and cite just ONE peer-reviewed paper on creationism. 1 Like |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by gatiano(m): 2:31pm On May 21, 2015 |
There is no time without a motion. We can only say time here on earth just because of the sun, without it, there won't be oscillation and rotation. There are two kinds of hell and heaven. One type is just a condition that we experience in our material form. The other type is going to heaven through hell, Even Jesus was there for three days, but how and why three days if there is no known sun to calculate how long? |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by Hoseaovo(m): 3:18pm On May 21, 2015 |
It will interest you to know that from sunrise to sunset in our moon is our 21 days on earth. This owing to the speed rate @ which the moon revolves round itself. Now there is no such thing in Heaven. It is timeless. heaven is a place of timeless blissfulness. Please do all it take to be found worthy do be there. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:52pm On May 21, 2015 |
esere826: To do proper science one has to agree with this presupposition whether you are a Christian or not. esere826: Agreed. esere826: Time is not eternal, but created. It is a meaningless paradox if we are asking what happened outside the creation of time. There was no "before" prior to the creation of the time. The question is would this time ever come to an end? esere826: You cannot do proper science without having biblical presuppositions that give the proper interpretation of the evidence we see. I'll be posting a balanced answer by a scientist who happened to be a biblical creationist. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:56pm On May 21, 2015 |
DProDG: Go to your thread and answer the questions I posed there, if you are unable to answer them you are permitted to say "I don't know". |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:59pm On May 21, 2015 |
Hoseaovo: Good point. Can you elaborate on the bolded? |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:02pm On May 21, 2015 |
Signs And Seasons, Days And Years |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by Ovacoma: 10:07pm On May 21, 2015 |
And the angel which i saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that LIVETH FOREVER, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that THERE SHOULD BE TIME NO LONGER: Revelation 10: 5 and 6 |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by esere826: 10:12pm On May 21, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:....touche i don't think it will ever come to an end except everything goes into oblivion including any intelligence to measure it as long as there was a beginning (when things were set in motion) -which is a reference point for time, there can never logically be an end the worst or best that can happen is that it will no longer be measured or considered, ....but it will always exist In heaven, once you say "i saw brother Gbenga singing with the Cherubs" Na time you they express be that niiii, because 'saw' signifies past tense |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by esere826: 10:14pm On May 21, 2015 |
Ovacoma: get a modern translated bible oooooo |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by esere826: 10:26pm On May 21, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: after all our tok uncle, i can now confidently answer ya question yes, we will experience time in heaven, but not in the same context of it ending for us when we or our loved ones die we will be transformed to be able to cope with the new pleasures of eternity |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by Nobody: 12:24am On May 22, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: A bit presumptive don't you think? all this "we" business. Then He set the sun and the moon in the sky, and made the earth[b] to assume a global shape and to rotate on an axis[/b], making the measurement of time in "days" possible. Next He placed stars in the far heavens in various locations and combinations, and[b] the earth to orbiting around the sun, [/b]enabling us to tell how many "days" make up a "year." Then, once the earth's rotational axis was "tilted," that made "seasons" measurable. So we can at least identify time durations in days and years with their seasons, and we can subdivide or combine these in whatever ways we find convenient (minutes, decades, summer, winter, etc.). Always good to come on to these threads for comedy value. @ bolded,your PHD fellow must be having a laugh. Up until five hundred years ago the Christian church propagated the belief that the Earth was[i] flat[/i], flat I tell you! All of a sudden now its all global and rotating on an axis And the earth to orbit the sun ! well who would have thought of that? imagine commanding the sun to stand still. 1 Like |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by Hoseaovo(m): 11:14am On May 22, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: Well my friend, we have days and night cos the earth resolves. Any portion that faces the sun gets light (that's day), Any portion that backs the sun gets darkness (thats night). The thing is: Now for the moon, its revolves relatively slower compared to earth to the point that it takes our The lunar day lasts 29 days (Sorry not 21), 12 hours and 44 minutes. And this the same time it takes for the Moon to orbit around the Earth. |
Re: Will We Experience Time In Heaven? by InesQor(m): 10:40am On May 23, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:I wasn't done yet. That was an introduction OLAADEGBU:I was just stating two possibilities, and I lent my weight behind the one I agree with. The "Adam was a giant" hypothesis is what is commonly believed in Islam, since they do not accept the Christian understanding of glorified bodies, or transportation in the spirit. OLAADEGBU:We may not agree on everything and that's totally fine. To clarify though, I meant that I don't believe the "Eden and The Fall" events happened as they were literally described in the Genesis, but nevertheless the story describes an actual spiritual event involving man, God and the adversary. |
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