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| Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by lanrezion01: 2:29pm On May 10, 2015 |
I have read a lot of articles about tithing as a practice that belongs to the era of the law of Moses but when reading the scriptures, it always advisable to balance the old with the new and not take one scripture out and build a doctrine on it. KNOW THIS FACTS 1- Abraham started tithing before the law of Moses came. In Genesis 14:20, were told that Abraham gave tithe of all unto a high priest called Melchizedec. This Melchizedek is a typology of Christ as we see in Hebrews7:1-3. 2- The book of Galatians3:7, 9 made it clear that we are Abraham's seeds and we are blessed along with Abraham. If Abraham our father in the faith tithed, then we his seeds should also tithe because his actions&life of faith was part of the reasons why righteousness was credited unto him. Permit me to say that he was the first man even under the old covenant that experienced the benefits of the life that Chrsit brought for us. Moses wasn't called the father of faith because he didn't have the kind of faith (faith that brings righteousness without works but by grace) that we have but Abraham did. 3- Tithing as a practice didn't start with Moses but with Abraham and it was imported into the law because God wanted it to be a continuous practice. Just as it was a sin to fornicate, kill and commit adultery before the laws were given Moses, so God instituted laws against such acts under Moses and even after, they were still forbidden. 4- Jesus didn't condemn tithing in Matthew23:23 but rather he was trying to say that the Pharisees should also give attention to weightier matters of the law: Justice&Mercy&faith without leaving others( tithing) undone. So he advocated that tithe should be paid and other virtues should be observed or practiced as well. 5- The book of Hebrews7:8 made it clear that tithe is collected by men who die( Levites- a typology of present-day pastors or those called into the ministry) but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. That is, men that die collect tithes on behalf of the man that is living- Christ. Revelations1:18 declared Jesus to be the Living one. BBMpin: 5685adb7 2 Likes |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by DIIGZ(m): 2:37pm On May 10, 2015 |
Only God knows those who worship him... Though its good to be a cheerful giver |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by MrPristine: 4:16pm On May 10, 2015 |
Story for the gods, can you then explain why tithing was never taught by the apostles in the new testament. Why didn't the early Christians practice it? 4 Likes |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by Nobody: 5:07pm On May 10, 2015 |
MrPristine:. The tithing issue is one that i dont addressing because i have to know that in bible teaching,no matter how much u try to explain to some people,they will still not agree.Back to the main topic.. In the early church in the book acts..i dont see anything like tithing..this is not to condemn tithing but there is now a better way of giving in the new covenant.. 1cor16:1-2:you are to give according to how much God has prospered You 2cor9:6-7--you should give bountifully,give according to how you purpose in your heart,not grudgingly or of necessity:For God LOVES a cheerful giver. SELAH |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by Barnabaseloka(m): 2:26pm On May 12, 2015 |
Another question: who practised tithing- Jews or Gentiles? Were you born a Jew or a Gentile? If your answer is Gentile, then did the Gentiles practice tithing? Christians are priests serving the High Priest (Jesus) because there is a change of priesthood due to the death of Jesus. If you are a priest you are supposed to collect tithes from people and not to pay tithes to people. But this is not so because: 1. Christ has fulfilled the law and abolished it. 2. Christians are spiritual Jews not physical Jews who the law was given to 3. Nobody holds your inheritance, neither are you holding anybdy's inheritance as to compensate the person for the inheritance. Abraham gave willingly in that no one ,not even God, forced him to give a tenth of what he had got. Even if he had not given a tenth, there will be no punishment attached to it. In the time of the law, it was compulsory and there were consequences for not paying tithe. The new testament way of giving is that of cheerfulness and willingness, not of compulsion. If you want to give God a tenth of what you have, it is not that you are compelled to do so, but it should be from a free and cheerful heart. Giving should be as one decides in his heart not what one has been enslaved in or talked into. Note: God did not tell the priests to force or compel the people to pay tithes when they do not pay. No pastor is serving as a 'special' priest in that he compels one to pay tithes b/c we are all priests in Christ. The law still works for Jews who are outside Christ, not for those who are in Christ. If you want to pay tithes follow it as the law demands and not as it suites you. Remember that there are different kinds of tithes. You cannot obey the law and want to live by grace at the same time. 3 Likes |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by zodiakzax: 5:19pm On May 12, 2015 |
lanrezion01:Before I start i will advice that you don't read this in order to argue but rather read it in order to know the truth and ask the Lord to teach you the truth.I can say that you are also very ignorant on this subject matter. During the entire period of time before the Law there were only two Biblical references to tithing. One instance has been superficially interpreted to justify a teaching that is contrary to the New Covenant. The other is an example of unbelief and bargaining with God. Neither one can change the finished work of the cross. Neither one can add to the surpassing greatness of life in Christ. Neither one is teaching tithing to the church. The first mention of a tithe is in Genesis 14. A group of four kings from the east came into Canaan to attack a group of five that had rebelled and quit paying tribute. Sodom was one of the cities plundered, and Abraham's nephew, Lot, was carried away with the captives. Abraham, 318 of his trained servants, and three other men of the area who were in covenant with him pursued the invaders and slaughtered them. When Abraham returned with the people and the goods, the new king of Sodom came out to meet him. Melchizedek, king of Salem, also came out with bread and wine and pronounced a blessing upon Abraham. Genesis 14:20 says that Abraham "gave him tithes of all." Hebrews 7:4 confirms that it was a tenth of the spoils of the battle. The king of Sodom then asked for the people to be returned to him but told Abraham to keep all the goods. By right of conquest Abraham could have kept everything, including the people. However, he refused to keep anything and publicly affirmed his oath to God that he would take nothing so that the king of Sodom could not say he had made Abraham rich. Now The Facts versus Speculation: The account of Abraham and Melchizedek has led people in favor of tithing to make many speculations that have no basis in scripture. An objective look at the facts leads to a different conclusion. For the sake of emphasis, the following points are listed individually. • God's original promise to Abraham was based on nothing except faith. It had nothing to do with tithing. • God's covenant with Abraham, which he made later to help Abraham believe, had nothing to do with tithing. • There is no scriptural basis to say that God instructed Abraham to pay tithes or give a tenth of the spoils to Melchizedek. In Genesis 14 Abraham was obligated to pay a tithe from the spoils of war in obedience to the Arab war custom. In New Testament times the Roman Empire received the first tithe of ten percent of grains and twenty percent of fruit trees from its conquered subjects, including Judah. • Abraham was not made rich by giving a tithe to Melchizedek. He was already exceedingly rich before he gave it. Genesis 13 tells us that Abraham was rich in cattle, in silver and in gold. His substance was so great that the land could not bear him and Lot together. He had at least 318 male servants born in his house. The total number of persons in his company would have been much greater counting the wives and children of the servants plus others who would have stayed behind to guard his possessions. • This is the one and only mention of Abraham giving a tithe to anyone. • There is no scriptural basis to teach that Abraham ever gave another tithe in his entire life. • The tithe was on the spoils of the battle. • Abraham didn't give a tithe of his personal possessions or the increase of his flocks and herds. • Abraham didn't give a tithe of something that he was going to keep a portion of, so it cost him nothing. • Neither tithes nor offerings were a condition for the fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham. • God made Abraham rich in fulfillment of his promise alone, without any kind of tithing. • There is no scriptural basis to say that Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek is God's pattern for Christians in the New Covenant. • God's command to Abraham was to leave his country and go to the land that God would show him. • God promised that he would make Abraham a great nation, he would bless him, he would make his name great, Abraham would be a blessing, he would bless them that bless Abraham, he would curse them that curse Abraham, and in Abraham all families of the earth would be blessed. • Abraham believed what God said and acted on it. God considered him righteous, fulfilled his promise, and made him rich on the basis of that faith alone. Tithing had absolutely nothing to do with it. • Tithing was not part of Abraham's covenant. There is no question about that. Tithing was not the reason for his prosperity or the fulfillment of God's promises to him. Abraham was already extremely wealthy before he ever met Melchizedek. God made Abraham rich on the basis of his promise alone. • Abraham was righteous by faith alone. • God was glorified in blessing Abraham and making him rich by grace alone. • Abraham's prosperity was not based on tithing or financial giving. • Abraham's faith led to his prosperity. He believed God's word and acted on it. He left family and home and followed God, not knowing where he was going. • God values and rewards faith above all else. He responds with grace beyond natural comprehension. • The most important things in God's kingdom are clearly revealed. Anything as important as an eternal, universal law of tithing would have been clearly communicated. It would not have been left to speculation and presumption. • The implicit condition of God's covenant with Abraham was that everything God had was committed to Abraham and everything Abraham had was committed to God, and each must be willing at all times to use all their resources for the benefit of the other. In that kind of relationship tithing becomes immaterial. It is surpassed by the greater commitment of using 100 percent for the accomplishment of God's purposes. • Tithing is immaterial in the New Covenant also ( which I will post next in answering your questions). Now you say we because we are Abraham's seed we should tithe, In Hebrews 7, when Paul was talking about the tripe of Levi, what did he say? In vs 9-10 he said "9.And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10.For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.". Now if Levi who was one of Abraham's seed collects tithe because in his father he was Paying tithes to Melchisedec then how much more us who are actually in Christ and are Abraham's seed according to the promise. In galatians 3 from vs14 we are told that Abraham's blessings came through Jesus Christ to us the gentiles. So if we are the real seed of Abraham and the promise of God's blessing was given to us through Christ ain't we suppose to be the rightful people to be taking tithes? Since Levi who was not even the appointed seed of Abraham collected tithe. You see all this is irrelevant because we are already partakers of the blessing, we don't need to give anything in order to partake of that wonderful blessings given to Christ. Why do you even compare Abraham and Christ or have you forgotten that Christ said "before Abraham was, I AM" (john 8:58). It was through the lineage of Abraham that God was to bring Christ the Son of God, and a great promise of blessings were made which would be given to the Messiah and His followers, Christ is the second Adam not the second Abraham. So Why do Christians fight to pattern their relationship to God after the example of a man who would have given anything to trade places for in Hebrews 11:39, it is said of all these great men of old including Abraham that they Have obtained a good report through faith but did not receive the promise, for God have provided some better things for us, which is Christ.New Covenant giving is based on a different spiritual paradigm than what we see in the life of Abraham. Consider Abraham's relationship with God compared to our relationship with God through Christ: • Abraham had not been redeemed by the blood of Jesus. • Abraham's sins were not remitted (totally forgiven and washed away) they were only temporarily covered and overlooked. • Abraham had not been baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit. • Abraham was not in an actual spiritual union with God. • Abraham's old nature had not been crucified with Christ.Abraham had not been born again and spiritually re-created with God's own divine nature in him. • Abraham was not a son of God with the same standing as Jesus Christ in God's family. • Abraham had not been made the righteousness of God. (His faith was only counted for righteousness.) • Abraham could not say, “It is Christ that lives in me. • Abraham was not the temple of God. God did not dwell in him. • Abraham did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to lead him. • Abraham had not been delivered out of the power of darkness and translated into the kingdom of God's Son. • Abraham had not been made alive with Christ, raised up with him, and seated with him at the Father's right hand. • Abraham had not been blessed with every spiritual blessing in heavenly places in Christ. • Abraham was not a joint owner of all things through spiritual union with the resurrected Christ. • Abraham did not have access to all authority in heaven and earth through the name of Jesus. • Abraham could not do the same works as Jesus and even greater works that Jesus said we would do, nor could he grow up into full stature in Christ. And don't be confused,Tithing is only mentioned in Hebrews 7 as part of a comparison between Melchizedek and the Levitical priesthood. The book of Hebrews in Chapter 8 proclaims the superiority of the New Covenant. It says we have a better hope, better covenant, better promises, better sacrifices, better substance, better country, better resurrection, and better outcome of our faith. It shows that Jesus has a better name and better blood, and that we now have a better cleansing of sin, a better conscience, and a better relationship with God, entering the true holy place in the heavenly realm. Hebrews chapter 7 is arguing that Jesus is a greater priest than any priest in the Old Covenant. To make his point, the writer is first proving that Melchizedek was a greater priest than any priest in the Old Covenant. That will prove that Jesus is also greater because Psalm 110 had prophesied that Jesus would be a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. Jesus was only a high priest after the Order of Melchizedek, Christ was not Melchizedek. May the grace of the Lord be with us all. 2 Likes |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by zodiakzax: 5:40pm On May 12, 2015 |
lanrezion01:. You said that the tithe was before the law of Moses, and that it was imported into the Laws of Moses, the same Laws that have been fulfilled in Christ hence it's abolishment. You again said Jesus Himself approved of it (the same tithe that is part of the same laws that has been abolished now) ? Now let's look at the Matthew 23:23 that you quoted, Jesus acknowledged to the Pharisees (in mathew 23:23) that tithing was their duty, but he rebuked them for passing over the more important parts of the Law which were judgement, mercy and faith. When did Jesus here approve of tithing? He said the more important ones of the LAW were Judgement,mercy and faith not tithing?and let me ask you this, are you under the Law? In Luke 18:9–14 Jesus told a parable of two men going to the temple to pray. One was a self-righteous Pharisee who bragged to God about fasting twice a week and giving tithes of all he possessed. The other was a publican (tax collector)who said, “God be merciful to me a sinner.” Jesus said the publican(tax collector) went down to his house justified rather than the Pharisee. would you then also say Jesus was against tithing in Luke 18:9-14? You see None of these incidents were emphasizing the importance of tithing. Jesus merely confirmed that the people he was speaking to(the pharisees in mathew 23:23) were under the Law and that tithing (which was a less important part of the law) was a part of their covenant obligation. He was not giving instructions to the New Covenant believer to pay tithes, which should give you an idea of what happened in Luke 18:9-14,this was an allegory where the Pharisee represented those under the Law, who think because they obeyed the law, the law could save them,whilst the tax collector represented a sinner who is saved by grace and not by the law or by his works, for the tax collector couldn't even look up to heaven, he was so sorry for what he had done that he pounded his chest and asked God to forgive him a Sinner. The Lord said the tax collector was more justified, which should tell you that we can only be saved by grace. There is no other record of Jesus talking about tithing. His relative silence on the subject tells us that it is not the key to blessing and prosperity in the New Covenant. The New Covenant was going to be such a radical change in relationship to God that there was very little Jesus could say about it at the time. The people couldn't understand it. He told his disciples in John 16:12–13: I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. God has put his own nature in the born-again Christian. It said of Christ In 2 Corinthians 8:9 that for we know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that,though He was rich,yet for our sakes He became poor, that through his poverty we might become rich. Why then do you want to become rich through paying of tithes when the Lord already did this by making us rich through His poverty? Tithing is indeed an insult to the cross for by it you think your finances are secured, instead of believing in what Christ became for us so we might be secured in our finances! When the church gets a revelation of what the Lord did on the cross for them and their union with Christ they will start living to serve God. 2 Likes |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by Nobody: 6:03pm On May 12, 2015 |
2corinthians 9:7 says ' every man according to as he purposeth in his heart, let him give, not grudgingly or of necessity, for God loves a cheerful giver'. Open your mind and understand that scripture & the verse before. God doesn't require tithes from you. He requires giving & love from you. Some people pay tithes of millions of naira but can hardly give 500 naira to someone in need & you think God is ok with that. Decide what you want to give, give it with joy and stop caging yourself in 10% bullshit. 5 Likes |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by NumberOne2(m): 2:39am On May 13, 2015 |
To all those saying tithing is for the Jews, was Abraham a Jew? Abrahams blessings are yours but Abrahams tithing is for the Jews. You are like the Pharisees Jesus was talking about. Ok some say Jesus or the Apostles didnt mention it. Must they mention everything? This is why some say smoking is not in the bible so it is good. Some say masturbation is good because it is not in the bible. Keep decieving yourselves. If you want to pay tithe, pay if not don't. Let the fact be know, tithing came BEFORE the OLD testament. It is NOT only for Jews. |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by zodiakzax: 8:07am On May 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2:I think you should read the previous posts well before you comment. Tithing came before the Law, so? Now we under a new covenant it's better we start enjoying all the wonderful things that we have in Christ. The greatest giving we can ever do is giving to the poor.. stay blessed! 2 Likes |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by NumberOne2(m): 10:16am On May 13, 2015 |
zodiakzax: The post you refers to talks of giving in love. If tithing, tithe in love or dont bother. It doesnt say NOT to tithe. OK, the NEW convenant talks of going beyond 10% to giving ALL. The early Christians sold all they had and brought to the Apostles feet to be shared by the brethren. Can you do that? Also NOTE that the ALL was not given to the poor. "And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." - Acts 2:45-47 So you are neither for TITHING or for GIVING ALL. Where do you stand? |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by NumberOne2(m): 10:33am On May 13, 2015 |
Nothing stops anyone from tithing and giving to the poor but DO NOT take the tithe and give to the poor. That is wrong. This is the embodyment of Christ teaching: LOVE THE LORD: Paying your tithes. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR: Give to the needy or poor. All the above should be done in LOVE else dont bother. God doesnt need your money anyway. I know the reason for most of those against tithes is the perceived "mismanagement" of funds by Churches. It is not for you to judge. God is NOT blind. Read the story of the sons of Eli and how they misbehaved as High Preists. It did not stop the Israelites from coming to the temple. |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by openmine(m): 10:52am On May 13, 2015 |
This replacement theology again?  levites now pastors of our time   Personally,i tot this tithe bouhaha has been discussed extensively on many if not countless threads....personally am getting bored seeing dese tithe threads with d same points and d same line of thought ...there is nothing stated by d OP dat oda tithe preachers havent stated before now and their claims have always been well and truely countered using d scriptures...please @OP,i wud recommend dat u view those threads and get more enlightened spiritually...  For now,i have some questions for you... 1.)if abraham had not given Melchizedek a tenth of d plunder,wud God have punished him or deprived him of his blessings? 2.)was abraham's gesture to the priest connected to his wealth or health or the promises of God to his generation? 3.)was abraham under any obligation or law to give to king Melchizedek a tenth of war spoils? 4.)can you pls refer to me just ONE scripture in d bible where levites are now pastors? 1 Like |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by brocab: 11:12am On May 13, 2015 |
You can argue as much as you want? But the word of God will ripped you down fully. If you believe in tithing then tithe, who cares, it's between you and the Lord., We non tithers have been showing the truth, and what you say won't change the truth in us.. So I advise you to seek the Lord yourself, and find what truth is...Quote>You say Love the Lord, paying your tithes, Is this the way, you believe you should pay to receive love-instead of loving the Lord as He is. If Love was base on given in cash, then my wife, would surely love me 10% more every week of my earnings? Jesus don't love you because of cash , He loves you because you are you. NumberOne2: |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by MzansiBeat: 11:22am On May 13, 2015 |
Abraham also had: slaves, bore a child through her servant, performed sacrifices etc - therefore you must practice this as well to ensure consistency so that your point may have credibility. You can not pick and chose as you like. 2- The book of Galatians3:7, 9 made it clear that we are Abraham's seeds and we are blessed along with Abraham. If Abraham our father in the faith tithed, [s]then we his seeds should also tithe because his actions&life of faith was part of the reasons why righteousness was credited unto him.[/s] Permit me to say that he was the first man even under the old covenant that experienced the benefits of the life that Chrsit brought for us. Moses wasn't called the father of faith because he didn't have the kind of faith (faith that brings righteousness without works but by grace) that we have but Abraham did. 1 Like |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by brocab: 11:28am On May 13, 2015 |
Bless are you Father of faith MzansiBeat: |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by MzansiBeat: 11:43am On May 13, 2015 |
brocab: |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by NumberOne2(m): 11:47am On May 13, 2015 |
brocab: Your statements are too sentimental for me to reply properly. I have made reference to several scriptures but you have none except emotional outburst. "For God so loved the world, that he GAVE his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." - John 3:16 Proof of love is in giving. You love God, where is your proof? You love your wife so you give to her. Just keep telling her about love and not doing anything and see how long that marriage will last. Love talk is cheap. |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by NumberOne2(m): 11:49am On May 13, 2015 |
MzansiBeat: Your statement doesnt make sense. Jesus died on the Cross. Even some Apostles were crucified upside down. So lets all get hanged right? |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by MzansiBeat: 12:00pm On May 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2, Why do you create a new doctrine? Just because you love money perhaps? Remember this, "the love of money is the root of all evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs". I see you are desperate to promote your false teaching on tithing and in the process you have created your own doctrine on love. Shame on you! I pity your church members (if some still remain)who fail to study the bible on their own. This is some of the poison you feed them. May God enlighten you. NumberOne2: 1 Like |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by NumberOne2(m): 12:00pm On May 13, 2015 |
MzansiBeat: What is this? I am dissapointed at your comments. Because I talk of tithe I love money. Do you HATE money? I am NOT a Pastor nor do I speak for any Church. I am NOT defending churches. These things are in your Bible. Your emotions on this matter only shows me that perhaps you or someone close to you has been defrauded by a Pastor. Dont take it out on me. Look, I don't intend to argue with anyone. - If you want tithe, do so. If not, leave it. - If you want to give to the poor, do so. If not, leave it. - If you want to give ALL like early disciples, do so. If not, leave it. - If you DONT want to marry like Jesus or Paul or like Catholic Priests, do so. If not leave it. I assume we all have the Holy Spirit to guide us, but please DO NOT say tithing is OLD testament. It is a false doctrine. Tithing started in Genesis before the LAW. Abraham was NOT a JEW. |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by Barnabaseloka(m): 12:03pm On May 13, 2015 |
5. Are you giving tithe (one-tenth) as a law from God or because you decided willingly to do it? 6. If you do not pay tithe, do you see yourself as a thief (robbing God) and about to be punished by God for not paying it? 7. If one is called a thief as a result of not paying tithe, will one not go to hell? 8. Was Abraham commanded by God to pay tithe, or rather was it compulsory for him to do so? 9. Did Abraham not decide within himself to pay tithes without anybody talking him into doing it? 10. In the law, were the Israelites told to make a choice whether they would pay tithes or not? Was it not compulsory for them? 11. If you do not give up to one-tenth, is there any consequence to it? 12. Was Abraham told that every month, he should pay tithe? 13. Who gave such command that payment of tithes should be every month or every two weeks or anytime you have the tithe? 14. Have you ever read in the OT that the priests manipulated (through words or prayers) the children of Israel to pay tithes when they disobeyed? 15. Did God assign the priests the work of making sure that the Israelites pay tithes as supposed? 16. Did priests not pay tithes to the high priest and not to fellow priests? 17. Who are the priests and who is the high priest now? 18. Was it not once the bible recorded Abraham paying tithe not of his income or profit but of the spoils he got from the war? And many more questions to ask! |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by MzansiBeat: 12:36pm On May 13, 2015 |
Aren't you contradicting yourself sir/madam? If not paying tithes doesn't carry adverse consequences then why do pastors encourage it the way they do? Some even go to great lengths by cursing no tithers. Let us not teach something that has no scriptural basis as doing so opens doors for acting in accordance to likes or dislikes. Let us be reminded that Christ is about justice, mercy and fairness which he said these are more important or weightier matters of the law that must practiced but not focus only to paying tithes, and thereafter believe that by so doing a person is made righteous. NumberOne2: |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by MzansiBeat: 12:42pm On May 13, 2015 |
Look at the context of your statement on Abraham, then mine will make sense to you. NumberOne2: |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by openmine(m): 12:48pm On May 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2:proof of love for God is but a heart dat believes in him...a heart made right with God through faith in christ jesus(Romans 3:19-22)... questions.... was abraham obligated or instructed by God to give a tenth of d war spoils to king Melchizedek? Is ur tithe payment directly connected to ur wealth increase? Is our love for God based on wat we can get or wat we can give or wat we believe in? comment on ur previous posts: ...lets be clear about one misconception....tithe is tithe...giving willingly is giving willingly....u cant lovingly pay wat is obligated or required(its a no brainer)..... You love your wife so you give to her. Just keep telling her about love and not doing anything and see how long that marriage will last. Love talk is cheap.As for this statement,ur love for ur wife or anyone goes way beyond monetary exhibits...If ur wife's love for you is directly proportional to d amount of money given to her,den wat happens wen u r facing financial crisis?....she leaves you and runs to the next rich man...?  and to u dats d definition of love...rite?? ..if such anology was used by God on his creation,none of us wud have survived his wrath... but thank God for his undiluted love for us dat while we were yet sinners,he sent his son jesus christ to die for us... 1 Like |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by NumberOne2(m): 1:37pm On May 13, 2015 |
DO NOT misquote me, kindly read my POSTS properly, I emphasize that: 1) Tithing is NOT old testament as some claim cos Abraham was NOT a JEW. 2) Tithing or anything in the bible is not by force. It is a choice. Right from Genesis through OLD and NEW testament, God never forced anyone to do anything. The JEWS were NOT forced to tithe as some of you keep emphasizing. We all have FREE WILL. 3) Abraham's tithing was NOT by force. Even the Israelites were NOT FORCED to tithe. Being Born-Again IS NOT BY FORCE. We are FREE SPIRITS. FINALLY those saying tithe does NOT involve money: Read Deut 14:22-27 (especially verse 25), Mat 23:23. "Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:" - Deut 14:25 Please do NOT add or remove or deduce falsely from my statements. If your Pastor forced you to tithe, that is NOT my problem but TITHING is GOOD and so is GIVING TO THE POOR as well as GIVING ALL and so is FIRST FRUIT and so is STAYING UNMARRIED! |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by MrPristine: 2:51pm On May 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2: Got you, by deliberately quoting verse 25 out of context i can safely conclude that you are a scriptural manipulator. Why didn't you quote it to the end and why did you omit verse 26 where God said the tither can use the money to buy anything he wants and consume it himself with his family? You've just proven your self to be a very dishonest fellow who twists scripture for personal gain and a lover of filthy lucre. 1 Like |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by NumberOne2(m): 3:28pm On May 13, 2015 |
MrPristine: No you quote me out of context: I spelt out the entire Deut 14:22-27 didnt I? I am trying to show that MONEY tithing existed in OLD Testament. What it is done with is NOT my issue. I am not a Priest. |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by Kingdompartaker: 3:49pm On May 13, 2015 |
LORD HAVE MERCY, when will man stop using THE WORD OF GOD against HIM. |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by Barnabaseloka(m): 3:52pm On May 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2:Thanks for your comment,but let me clarify this more. 1. I think we misunderstand something here. When we talk of tithe, we view it from two perspectives: tithe as a law and tithe as a free-will offering. Tithe simply means one-tenth. Actually, tithing (giving one-tenth) did not start from the Israelites. People still give one-tenth (tithe) of what they have to God. Our concern is whether Christians are expected to tithe (give one-tenth) as a law (command) or as a free-will giving. One can decide within oneself to give a tenth (tithe) of one's income to God, if one is led by the Holy Spirit to do so. It is not a command that one must give one-tenth (tithe) of one's possession at a stipulated period of time (every month, week or two weeks). Giving is as one decides in one's heart (whether one-tenth or not). It is not that one must (under a command) give one-tenth of one's income as we see today being preached in churches. So tithing (giving one-tenth) of one's income still exists today but not as a command but a choice. 2. God has given us free-will to obey what he commands us to do or not to obey. He will not force any man to obey his commands. The Israelites were commanded by God (as a law) to tithe according to the laid-down guidelines concerning these tithes. Tithe (as a law) was not just done in one way but in different ways and in different chosen times and places (Deut.14:22-29). All the laws given to Moses were commands from God which the Israelites should keep. It is left for any Israelite to keep them or not, b/c it is not by force, yet a command. Disobedience to such commands attracted punishment from God to the Israelites, including payment of tithes. It was due to their disobedience that God rebuked them in Malachi. There was no such command (or law) given to Abraham to tithe (give one-tenth) of his possession. As such, no consequence would have come to him if he decided not to give one-tenth of what he had. Abraham could have given less than or more than what he gave. It was of his own choice to give one-tenth and would not be punished even if he did not give at all. Why do tithers give one-tenth (tithe) of their income at stipulated periods of time? Are they not trying to follow the law as the Israelites did? Free-will offering or giving for Christians is not bound to be one-tenth, but what one decides to give (whether one-tenth or not). On the otherhand, if one promises God a tenth of one's income at a stipulated time (every month or every two months or every year), such agreement is between the person and God. It is called VOW. it has nothing to do with the one-tenth people are subjected to pay every month in churches today. 1 Like |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by openmine(m): 4:13pm On May 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2:You are very wrong sir....tithes was extensively instructed(commanded) in d old testament by God to the people of israel as a way of feeding d levites that had no allotment in d land(lev 27:30-34;numbers 18:25-32)...Abraham was never instructed or commanded to tithe like the jews did...dats because it was a free will gesture and nothing more dan dat...i will repeat dis again to you...a tithe is wat it is..a tithe which is a compulsory requirement by God to d people of israel to give a tenth of their farm produce...i guess u bypassed those scriptures in d old testament  2) Tithing or anything in the bible is not by force. It is a choice. Right from Genesis through OLD and NEW testament, God never forced anyone to do anything. The JEWS were NOT forced to tithe as some of you keep emphasizing. We all have FREE WILL. With all due respect 2 u,stop misinterpreting and quoting out of context scriptures that were clearly written and explained...and stop trying too hard to be smart and wity...not with the scriptures..ok? The jews were instructed and commanded to tithe...please go back and check d scriptures very well... do u know there was a change in the covenant which necessitated a change in d law of moses? d choice comes from d scriptures which says we sud give as we have decided in our heart,not out of compulsion or necessity for God loves a cheerful giver 2 corinthians 9:7...which is based on d new covenant where christ is d high priest..anything other dan dat,is an error or a manipulative intent 2 extort money from hapless and ignorant christians  3) Abraham's tithing was NOT by force. Even the Israelites were NOT FORCED to tithe. Being Born-Again IS NOT BY FORCE. We are FREE SPIRITS. i dont need to repeat myself....(lev 27:30-34;numbers 18:25-32) FINALLY those saying tithe does NOT involve money: Read Deut 14:22-27 (especially verse 25), Mat 23:23.Sorry bro ...u r wrong...d Israelites were instructed to bring a tenth to where d lord had instructed dem but God being lenient said,if d place be very FAR,The tithes can be CONVERTED into money and used to buy ANY THING YOUR HEART DESIRES even strong drink as for matthew 23:23,jesus was still under d law wen he made dat submission to d pharisees...but now dat christ is now d high priest,d law of tithes along with oda laws of moses have been shattered and destroyed.... U are actually d one doing so with ur analogy dat d Israelites werent forced or commanded to pay tithes If your Pastor forced you to tithe, that is NOT my problem but TITHING is GOOD and so is GIVING TO THE POOR as well as GIVING ALL and so is FIRST FRUIT and so is STAYING UNMARRIED!now seriously,i wud like 2 know ur definition of tithes according 2 d scriptures...so i know am not having an unfruitful dic=scus wit u...thanks? |
| Re: Tithing Is Scripturally Relevant In The New Testament by openmine(m): 4:21pm On May 13, 2015 |
Barnabaseloka:Lovely and explicitly explained...God bless u 2. God has given us free-will to obey what he commands us to do or not to obey. He will not force any man to obey his commands. The Israelites were commanded by God (as a law) to tithe according to the laid-down guidelines concerning these tithes. Tithe (as a law) was not just done in one way but in different ways and in different chosen times and places (Deut.14:22-29). All the laws given to Moses were commands from God which the Israelites should keep. It is left for any Israelite to keep them or not, b/c it is not by force, yet a command. Disobedience to such commands attracted punishment from God to the Israelites, including payment of tithes. It was due to their disobedience that God rebuked them in Malachi.hmmm..d truth is dat d poster was trying 2 be smart....force is synonymous to command or instruction...and like u say any one is free to part wit any amount of money at his or her disposal including a tenth of one's income but not as a necessity or a compulsion...Nice There was no such command (or law) given to Abraham to tithe (give one-tenth) of his possession. As such, no consequence would have come to him if he decided not to give one-tenth of what he had. Abraham could have given less than or more than what he gave. It was of his own choice to give one-tenth and would not be punished even if he did not give at all.True and True!! Why do tithers give one-tenth (tithe) of their income at stipulated periods of time? Are they not trying to follow the law as the Israelites did? Free-will offering or giving for Christians is not bound to be one-tenth, but what one decides to give (whether one-tenth or not).Thumbs Up bro!!! |
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