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Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by thehomer: 4:50pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
davidylan: Sure you've worked with DNA for upwards of 5 - 7 years and you've worked out that your God did it. If you're a researcher, then carry out research and let us know your results. That is what actual researchers do. Whether you've worked with DNA for 7 years or 70 years doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're talking about. davidylan: Looks like you wish to play with words without actually saying anything. No one says "the cell is simply a mishmash of random cellular bodies jumbled together by accident". These sorts of misrepresentations after you've been corrected makes me wonder. By the way, what is your answer about DNA and your God? 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 6:37pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
thehomer: As i have said 200 times now... perhaps you're finding it hard to see it. I have no interest in talking about God... i prefer to leave Him to those who worship Him. As a scientist, i am more interested in understanding what evidence you may have as to how complete random chaos created the DNA and what evolutionary pressures caused this to happen. You seem to be having trouble focusing on that or anything that does not involve God at all... i wonder why. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 6:40pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
thehomer: Again the God red herring... i'm not interested in God or whatever you think He is. I ask the questions i asked based primarily on experience working on DNA and knowing full well that despite all we have tried in the lab, it is virtually impossible to recreate DNA. I have spliced it, transfected it to other cells, mutated it... all to fantastic results... but i have never been able to figure out how to create it from scratch. Based on your numerous claims, i assumed you knew... hence my questions. thehomer: Well then exactly what are you saying? You seem to be typing without actually saying anything of substance. How exactly did the DNA appear from random chaos? thehomer: The tiring red herring again... what has God to do with a discussion on the science? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 7:45pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
davidylan: So you been trying to recreate DNA without success for just the past 7yrs,.. And therefore..? And I suppose this would be the sort of testimony you give in your church? Gosh! What a tragedy for science. I need not Say anymore. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 9:31pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
plaetton: I think the real tragedy is your complete inability to have a constructive discussion without resorting to the tired hyperbole and insults. I note you've been silent on how your ideas on dna does not square with the second law of thermodynamics. For someone who touts science, you don't seem to have a good grasp of it. If you know any scientist, dead or alive, who has created dna from scratch then kindly educate us here. As they say, your style is the last refuge of the ignorant. 2 Likes |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 10:07pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
davidylan:Pls kindly refresh my mind about my ideas about DNA that you refer to. Aside from being dumb, You are also dishonest. I merely pointed out how seemingly chaotic atmosperic dynamics create such aesthetic, symmetrical, mathematically precise Snowflakes. And I did that to refute your claim that order cannot come from chaos. Of course, what your tiny brain cannot ever grasp is that order and chaos are subjective, depending on the vantage point of the observer. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Kay17: 10:14pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
UyiIredia: @ the bolded, you keep missing the point, which is the cause/source of consciousness being material not that consciousness itself is material. If the brain is the source of the consciousness and we can provide that 'messing around with the brain' alters consciousness therefore we have indications that the brain being a material entity is the source of consciousness. 'Who designed the designer' is important because the general principle upon which your argument is built is that complexities by themselves necessarily indicate a prior cause. So if the designer himself is found to be sort form of complexity like intelligence, then you are bound by your general principle. If you find it convenient to jettison the general principle at this stage, we can as well jettison it at any stage. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Kay17: 10:18pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
davidylan: But you have Faith that an intelligence is capable of creating the DNA and other similar codes? 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 10:18pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
davidylan: I can't believe you're so dumb for someone who boasts a phd in microbiology. DNA has been evolving for 4.7 billion years or even much longer, considering that it could have been deliberately or accidentally seeded from another galaxy system much older than ours. The fact that we, only about 100yrs into genetic science, have not been able to synthesize DNA from scratch is now proof for You that a toothfairy designed it? Is this your theory, the total sum of your 7yrs of scientific research? If so, well, You have done your best. Now move away from that lab. Carry your lazy brain back to your church, and give testimony that YOU have found proof that your toothfairy did indeed design DNA. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Kay17: 10:23pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
@davidlyan Do you think the DNA has remained exactly the same of the millions of years it has been present? 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by druid06(m): 10:45pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
plaetton: Not sure which side you're on plaetton, you seem to have a dual personality and an ambiguous ideology regarding faith and religion. One moment you're an atheist and on another you're an animistic agnostic or something similar favoring the African spiritualism.. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 11:57pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
druid06:I have a problem with labelling. Once You accept a label, then You begin to defend the label, instead of defending what is real and what is truth. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 12:53am On Jul 06, 2015 |
plaetton: An easy way to note that someone basically has no arguments left is that they simply pivot to the tired old abuse that you would expect from a petulant 3rd grader. At this stage, i have decided to no longer get down low again... have at it... plaetton: But there is no evidence for this... it has no scientific basis and is purely an exercise in blind faith. infact this is not much better than believing in Genesis 1. So what exactly differentiates you from the religious people you deride? plaetton: I'm not sure what all the mumbo jumbo above is all about. I asked a very simple question - where is the scientific basis for how DNA evolved? The fact that very tiny errors in DNA is enough to cause severe phenotypic changes that cannot sustain life basically puts the very idea of DNA evolution to bed as basic nonsense. For example, prior to the evolution of the ribosome, how was early DNA transcribed to mRNA? If you are not knowledgeable to ask questions of science the way you waste time running around with religion then just say so rather than embarrassing yourself here. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 12:55am On Jul 06, 2015 |
plaetton: Please square that with the second law of thermodynamics... and as we have discussed prior, the snowflakes example is pure hogwash that many latch unto as a desperate ruse. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 12:56am On Jul 06, 2015 |
Kay17: But you have faith that random chaos was capable of creating DNA instead... the irony is rich here. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 12:57am On Jul 06, 2015 |
Kay17: Do you have evidence it has changed? From what to what? Lets discuss... |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 1:00am On Jul 06, 2015 |
druid06: I think the problem is that most african atheists arent even sure what they believe. One thing is common, they hate the christian God... other than that there is very little that is common to them. Science is more often no more than a crutch to assuage their deepseated paranoia. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 1:10am On Jul 06, 2015 |
davidylan: Oh gosh! Snowflakes are real, are they not? Why don't You ask the snowflakes why it is apparently defying your second law of thermodynamics. Oh, Btw, are You not a researcher? 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 1:15am On Jul 06, 2015 |
davidylan: I guess christianity is not a common pestilence, exploiting Africa for centuries or that science is actually a real, reliable arbiter of reality? You reasoning skills fall very short of expectations. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 1:15am On Jul 06, 2015 |
plaetton: Like i have responded... using snowflakes as an example is inherently weak. A snowflake is essentially useless to life and no one argues that a snowflake has evolved from one thing to another. Basically it is as useful as empty space. DNA on the other hand is the very basis for ALL LIFE on the planet. Without it, life would not exist. So how did it develop? At what point did DNA develop the capacity to support life or has it always done so? These are the critical questions... raising the snowflake red herring is basically an attempt to avoid it. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 1:17am On Jul 06, 2015 |
plaetton: If christianity was a pestilence then how come European nations, including the US and Canada, are so much more advanced than we are? Why are atheist enclaves in Africa not examples of western Europe? Science is indeed a real arbiter of reality, but has it only thrived in the absence of christianity? One can argue that many of the greatest scientists, on whose ideas much of what we know today rests, were very strong christians. You're atheist... yet have such a poor grasp of science itself. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by wiegraf: 5:38am On Jul 06, 2015 |
David!! up till now this folly?! na wa chai.... scientist? lol that asides how u dey? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 5:55am On Jul 06, 2015 |
wiegraf: I'm not sure why you all shy away from a real scientific discussion to traffic in juvenile remarks... if you feel its folly - please tell us why. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by malvisguy212: 7:14am On Jul 06, 2015 |
davidylan:Christianity is the only religion that seriously challenges their atheism visit the atheists sites , christian topics is the most discuss the reason is just to removed the fear of death . to all my atheists friends. If you fear death, yet believe that God does not exist, then you are being irrational. Then again, maybe you uncertain whether death is the end of your existence. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by wiegraf: 7:23am On Jul 06, 2015 |
davidylan: ser kettle, seems you've amnesia like the op. seems there's also the usual lack of imagination, as I have a good idea of where you picked up the 'juvenile' association from note that you'll, as usual as well, tuck your rabid tail between your rabid legs and run too when the bulala comes down. BTW, I need not know the details of the science to dismiss the silly tripe you've been posting. I could even give you unjustifiable concessions and you'd still sound silly. seriously though, why in the world do you still remain a scientist when you're looking for supernatural causation? shouldn't you be a pastor instead? 2 Likes |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Antiparticle(m): 9:17am On Jul 06, 2015 |
Correlation does not imply causality -- this notion is vital and fundamental to science. The economic success of Europe/US/Canada may be correlated with Christianity but this does not mean that Christianity is the cause of said success. The Roman empire and pre-Christ Greek civilizations laid the foundation for European civilization. There are other key factors that are responsible for Europe's success, however one could similarly argue that Europe became successful in spite of Christianity. Christian popes were for centuries brutal murderous despots, European monarchs arrogated absolute power to themselves in the name of being God's representatives, Christian Europe kidnapped, tortured, and murdered millions of Africans (during trans-Atlantic slave trade approved by the then pope) for the precise purpose of gaining wealth, European monarchs murdered free thinkers who dare questioned "the divine", etc. davidylan: 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by thehomer: 9:42am On Jul 06, 2015 |
davidylan: Well I have a lot of interest in talking about God. If you have no views here or no longer worship him, simply say so. It looks like you're not interested in having a discussion but would like an interrogation. You'll rather try to hide your questionable God due to his impotence. Since we won't be having a discussion, the evidence I have can be sought out on the internet. Just enter the necessary key words. Happy reading. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by thehomer: 9:48am On Jul 06, 2015 |
davidylan: Do you really think your God is a red herring? Be careful of what you say even in jest. Well I am interested in your God and what you think he is. Please ask away. I know enough not to accept a claim that your God was behind it. davidylan: What I'm saying is that DNA did not appear from random chaos. I've said lots of things of substance and would be willing to continue if you were trying to have an honest discussion. davidylan: This is a discussion on arguments for God's existence. It looks like you have nothing to contribute with regards to arguments for your God's existence. Let me know when you have arguments. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by thehomer: 9:52am On Jul 06, 2015 |
davidylan: Whether or not DNA has been created from scratch has no bearing on whether or not it is a natural process. After all, no one has created Neptune or sunlight from scratch. We still don't then say your God did it. I think the real tragedy is your attempt not to have a constructive discussion instead you're attempting to hide your God from examination. That simply won't work. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by thehomer: 9:59am On Jul 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Christianity isn't the only religion available. The reason why Christianity is discussed is because most English speaking areas were heavily influenced by Christianity. malvisguy212: The fact that you're afraid of death doesn't mean others are. If you as a Christian fear death, yet believe that God exists, then you're being irrational since if you die, you'll be going to a better place. Although that is why certain religious groups are more than willing to kill and die for their beliefs. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by malvisguy212: 9:34pm On Jul 06, 2015 |
thehomer:If you want to relieve your fears about death, you should try to determine if Christianity is true or false. I know of many atheists who are muslims before , this guys does not border them self with Islamic threat concerning their belief. True christian does not fear death, because certainly, they know were they are going after death. If you are a christian yet you fear death, it mean you are NOT sure of your faith. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Kay17: 9:49pm On Jul 06, 2015 |
davidylan: I never said the DNA emerged from pure chaos, you made that assumption Nature exists in a pool of chaos. The cause of the life and likewise DNA is unknown. That is the fact available to us, any other thing said is speculation. |
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