Sanchez01:

Not... She's right though

I know she's right. I didn't say it in a negative manner. I said it cos I know they're mostly the ones that follow the book to the latter. I have a colleague who is one.

Rendezvou:
There are many unscriptural activities going on in the church today which Christians pretend not to see. The more we keep silent, the worse things would become. Though we are aware that many happenings in the church today are signs of the end time, it is our duty to put things right and strive to revive the ‘old time religion.’

1. Charging Consultation Fee-
Paying certain amount of money before you can see the man of God has become a common practice in many churches nowadays. So many pastors have commercialized deliverance, salvation and spiritual counselling against the Lord’s wish- Matt 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

2. Selling Some Spiritual Items-
I’m more particular about churches selling holy water and anointing oil in plastic containers and bottles where worshippers are disallowed from bringing theirs but compelled to buy from the church. Let them buy from wherever they choose; your role is to ensure those items are blessed and sanctified.

3. Making Tithe Card Compulsory-
I have no objection to the issuance of tithe cards for those who want it. Some churches have denied
members some privileges because they do not have their tithe cards which serve as evidence to know tithe payers. I, like many others prefer paying tithes anonymously. Someone may be paying tithe regularly having his card checked and signed by the pastor and still feign being saved.

4. Setting up too many church societies-
It is unfortunate that church leaders rarely check the activities or attend meetings of these societies. Many have derailed from their essence and a lot of such church societies now run like town meetings, social groups or cooperative societies. Let us cut them to size, review their activities regularly, and ensure prioritization of spiritual events in these societies.

5. Singing and Dancing to Worldly Music-
We really need to watch it here. We listen to hip hops, Rocks etc which are trending and become tempted to copy the rhythm and sometimes lyrics of such music for church use. Many of these songs and dances are not glorifying God so why copying the world? Ladies now twerk and wiggle in sexually provocative styles in churches at the sound of such worldly music. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world , neither the things that are in the world . If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Choirmasters and Music Coordinators pls take note.

6. Stipulating Minimum Amount for Offering-
Few days ago I was in a gathering and the pastor announced that those who do not have up to a certain amount of money to put down as offering should not bother to come out. This wasn’t the first time I’ll hear this announcement coming from the alter. This approach to collection of fat offerings should not be encouraged in the church. Jesus praised the poor widow who cast just two mites into the treasury because that was all she had [Mark 12: 41-44]. If such marginalization was declared before casting of offering at the temple, the poor widow would not have been able to cast her offering which Jesus acknowledged as the greatest of all offerings. Pastors should stop deterring people from casting their offerings; we do not need to inform them that fingers are not equal. Preach and tell the congregation the benefits of giving bountiful offering to God and let Him nourish His word in their heart and not indirectly telling them, ‘you cannot give the little you have to God.’

7. Organizing sport/game Competitions-
I do not know when sporting became an important spiritual exercise in the church. I once attended a church where a football match between two parishes led to a serious fracas. This later grew to a feud and it took many years for some of the youths and priests to heal the wounds of bitterness sustained during the match. It is more ideal to organize Bible quizzes and competitions which is very much unlikely to sow seeds of discord.

8. Letting out Church Premise/Properties for Secular Purposes-
I my humble opinion, it isn’t right to rent out church properties for non-religious activities such as club parties, political meetings etc. They may violate your rules and you would not be able to stop them until they are through.

9. Organizing Excursions and Sightseeing-
This should be left for our work places, families, schools and any other moderate social groups which we may belong to. Christ sent us to the whole world on a mission assignment to evangelize and win souls to the kingdom and not to catch fun. I have attended an excursion organized by the youth leaders of a church and to be honest, nothing gave glory to God in all we did. In fact, it may turn to an avenue for brethren to engage in sexual immoralities.

10. Inviting Secular Musicians and Comedians to Perform at Church Functions-
I have heard some blasphemous jokes from many comedians lately. It is so saddening that churches invite such performers to anchor programmes and all you hear are disrespectful words against God all in the name of making people laugh. How can you bring a secular musician to the church and expect him to bring down the spirit of God with his or her hip hop or RnB?

May the Lord revive the church again. Amen

Nice writeup, but numbers 7 and 9 are not wrong. Sporting activities within the church are good for the health and perhaps improved relationship among members. Sightseing is neither bad too. Members need to acquire more knowledge of their environment in order to further appreciate God's handiwork.

I love it more than you do

iliyande:
I love this write up

There is absolutely nothing sinful, carnal or wrong with your
Point 7 Organizing sport/game Competitions-

Afterall its an exercise and the Bible said " Bodily exercise profiteth little" I need that little.

No. 3 is a no no for me.
I can never be a member of a church where they do such.
My giving is between me and God. No pastor, no matter how anointed he thinks he is can and will ever be privy to such details on a constant basis.

I giv u 79%......let me add 1:
*Giving all members of d congregation communion which is not Holy
Concerning worldly music, where i worshipped today, Bob Marley's song was sang...

Ladies cladding in almost naked and see-through clothes,putting so much make up/jewellery that will make you think if it was a fashion show, dancing to secular musicai-it just doesn't add up-there is. Still smthng call-moderation

You are right to some extent but that No 1 though most abused these days but it is biblical. First we saw it when Balak took diviners fee to Balaam that he may curse children of Israel, Second we saw it when Saul, the first King of Isreal took some gifts to Samuel to inquire about the lost Ass. It is very biblical but today, wrong people on the alter who cannot even divine anything collects diviners fee for their stomach.

Rendezvou:
I love going on excursions too, I love adventures and sightseeing. But you can get this outside the church. It is not a spiritual activity and it has lured some youths to sexual immoralities and other unholy acts in many instances. I do not see why churches would prefer excursions to evangelism. I know a church that has organized several excursions some of which I have attended but yet to mobilize its youth for evangelism of any sort. The issue is that social events has prevailed over spiritual activities in many churches.

It is important to be mindful of activities that would feed only our bodies and not our souls in churches.We should have a life outside the church for moderate social and extra religious activities.

The body can be fed in sundry ways. Girls have gotten pregnant during evangelism trips.
I am too lazy and old for excursions but I see nothing wrong in them.

ammyluv2002:
11. White wedding
12. Naming

I smell a deeper life trash

I am a christian, and your list is so strange I am beginning to wonder if you meant to talk about another religion. Aside the sports and excursion parts, I have never heard or been a part of the rest of the stuff you wrote.

Lol @ that No. 6

4,7 and 9 should have been expunged.

menesheh:
Since all religious believe are man-made, men are still doing some rework to suit whatever motive one intend to achieve.

If Christianity isn't man-made, there wouldn't have been room for all those unbiblical practices, there would have been Devine intervention to fixe those errors.

no need of saying dis;just say u are atheist and it would b welcomed.

cornel00:


I smell a deeper life trash

Orunto:
The churches can do all of those things you are criticising. They can charge for conselling and use the money to improve the household of God. The Bible says, "In all labour is a reward, the talk of the lips tenneth unto penury". King Solomon told us of music being the food of life. God loves music. The Angels sing day and night @ the The Temple of Grace. So when humans sing anywhere anyhow on earth, they please God. God loves Hollywood, Nollywood, Pub-songs etc.

False prophet!

Orunto:
The churches can do all of those things you are criticising. They can charge for conselling and use the money to improve the household of God. The Bible says, "In all labour is a reward, the talk of the lips tenneth unto penury". King Solomon told us of music being the food of life. God loves music. The Angels sing day and night @ the The Temple of Grace. So when humans sing anywhere anyhow on earth, they please God. God loves Hollywood, Nollywood, Pub-songs etc.

Disagreed! From offering, tithe, special collection, covenant partnership, etc. What are they using d fundz for? They even organize mini one-day seminar & charge the congregation for registratn.....One of them @ Ikeja even collect gate fee for cross-over service. All thez ar d works of end-time M.O.G...

On point: The church has been compromised.
To find a real man of God ain't easy these days.
Some Catholic churches ehn, the girls there too bad.
Sometimes you'll see a girl that just came from fellowship being smooched in church premises and they expect people to listen to them during evangelism
I was shocked when someone called one big church a hotel
Which church is safe sef?
Churches in the south especially are .....
That's why I prefer chapels in the north cos they serve God with meekness-they ain't after material things or 'offerings' but God's word.

Oluwa o mo gbe! You mean God like those fokosobo songs of Davido, whizkid , Olumide and co
Eyin pipu e ni mu papa God binu bayi?

Orunto:
The churches can do all of those things you are criticising. They can charge for conselling and use the money to improve the household of God. The Bible says, "In all labour is a reward, the talk of the lips tenneth unto penury". King Solomon told us of music being the food of life. God loves music. The Angels sing day and night @ the The Temple of Grace. So when humans sing anywhere anyhow on earth, they please God. God loves Hollywood, Nollywood, Pub-songs etc.

twoondei:
One of my patients bought a 5litre gallon of holy water for 500k from those banner wearing people as treatment for pericarditis after refusing surgery..
He died just after he finished drinking the water.
Things are bad around here

Your last sentence was poetry.

Simply Pithy.

Nice

Rendezvou:
There are many unscriptural activities going on in the church today which Christians pretend not to see. The more we keep silent, the worse things would become. Though we are aware that many happenings in the church today are signs of the end time, it is our duty to put things right and strive to revive the ‘old time religion.’

1. Charging Consultation Fee-
Paying certain amount of money before you can see the man of God has become a common practice in many churches nowadays. So many pastors have commercialized deliverance, salvation and spiritual counselling against the Lord’s wish- Matt 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

2. Selling Some Spiritual Items-
I’m more particular about churches selling holy water and anointing oil in plastic containers and bottles where worshippers are disallowed from bringing theirs but compelled to buy from the church. Let them buy from wherever they choose; your role is to ensure those items are blessed and sanctified.

3. Making Tithe Card Compulsory-
I have no objection to the issuance of tithe cards for those who want it. Some churches have denied
members some privileges because they do not have their tithe cards which serve as evidence to know tithe payers. I, like many others prefer paying tithes anonymously. Someone may be paying tithe regularly having his card checked and signed by the pastor and still feign being saved.

4. Setting up too many church societies-
It is unfortunate that church leaders rarely check the activities or attend meetings of these societies. Many have derailed from their essence and a lot of such church societies now run like town meetings, social groups or cooperative societies. Let us cut them to size, review their activities regularly, and ensure prioritization of spiritual events in these societies.

5. Singing and Dancing to Worldly Music-
We really need to watch it here. We listen to hip hops, Rocks etc which are trending and become tempted to copy the rhythm and sometimes lyrics of such music for church use. Many of these songs and dances are not glorifying God so why copying the world? Ladies now twerk and wiggle in sexually provocative styles in churches at the sound of such worldly music. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world , neither the things that are in the world . If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Choirmasters and Music Coordinators pls take note.

6. Stipulating Minimum Amount for Offering-
Few days ago I was in a gathering and the pastor announced that those who do not have up to a certain amount of money to put down as offering should not bother to come out. This wasn’t the first time I’ll hear this announcement coming from the alter. This approach to collection of fat offerings should not be encouraged in the church. Jesus praised the poor widow who cast just two mites into the treasury because that was all she had [Mark 12: 41-44]. If such marginalization was declared before casting of offering at the temple, the poor widow would not have been able to cast her offering which Jesus acknowledged as the greatest of all offerings. Pastors should stop deterring people from casting their offerings; we do not need to inform them that fingers are not equal. Preach and tell the congregation the benefits of giving bountiful offering to God and let Him nourish His word in their heart and not indirectly telling them, ‘you cannot give the little you have to God.’

7. Organizing sport/game Competitions-
I do not know when sporting became an important spiritual exercise in the church. I once attended a church where a football match between two parishes led to a serious fracas. This later grew to a feud and it took many years for some of the youths and priests to heal the wounds of bitterness sustained during the match. It is more ideal to organize Bible quizzes and competitions which is very much unlikely to sow seeds of discord.

8. Letting out Church Premise/Properties for Secular Purposes-
I my humble opinion, it isn’t right to rent out church properties for non-religious activities such as club parties, political meetings etc. They may violate your rules and you would not be able to stop them until they are through.

9. Organizing Excursions and Sightseeing-
This should be left for our work places, families, schools and any other moderate social groups which we may belong to. Christ sent us to the whole world on a mission assignment to evangelize and win souls to the kingdom and not to catch fun. I have attended an excursion organized by the youth leaders of a church and to be honest, nothing gave glory to God in all we did. In fact, it may turn to an avenue for brethren to engage in sexual immoralities.

10. Inviting Secular Musicians and Comedians to Perform at Church Functions-
I have heard some blasphemous jokes from many comedians lately. It is so saddening that churches invite such performers to anchor programmes and all you hear are disrespectful words against God all in the name of making people laugh. How can you bring a secular musician to the church and expect him to bring down the spirit of God with his or her hip hop or RnB?

May the Lord revive the church again. Amen

I disagree with you in that no_7 but not completely...coming to de side of sport games,e.g(football) I see absolutely nothing wrong with that,
Sports has proven to be de dwelling place of unity and pleasure among human (not saying the church are not in unity) and moreover I haven't witnessed after a sports game a fight or anger among members of any church
Furthermore,sports games among church members is a once in a while event not a frequently held occasion

As for de arrangement of bible quiz,I agree with you completely,it should be made more competitive than that of sports to improve their commitment.

Nothing wrong with sport competitions and excursion. I agree with your other points.

Jagoon:
Collecting of monetary tithes is also unbiblical.

You're on point! Many Church people are yet to realise the fraud of tithing.

U 4got 2add dis...dat poverty is a sin

Rendezvou:
There are many unscriptural activities going on in the church today which Christians pretend not to see. The more we keep silent, the worse things would become. Though we are aware that many happenings in the church today are signs of the end time, it is our duty to put things right and strive to revive the ‘old time religion.’

1. Charging Consultation Fee-
Paying certain amount of money before you can see the man of God has become a common practice in many churches nowadays. So many pastors have commercialized deliverance, salvation and spiritual counselling against the Lord’s wish- Matt 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

2. Selling Some Spiritual Items-
I’m more particular about churches selling holy water and anointing oil in plastic containers and bottles where worshippers are disallowed from bringing theirs but compelled to buy from the church. Let them buy from wherever they choose; your role is to ensure those items are blessed and sanctified.

3. Making Tithe Card Compulsory-
I have no objection to the issuance of tithe cards for those who want it. Some churches have denied
members some privileges because they do not have their tithe cards which serve as evidence to know tithe payers. I, like many others prefer paying tithes anonymously. Someone may be paying tithe regularly having his card checked and signed by the pastor and still feign being saved.

4. Setting up too many church societies-
It is unfortunate that church leaders rarely check the activities or attend meetings of these societies. Many have derailed from their essence and a lot of such church societies now run like town meetings, social groups or cooperative societies. Let us cut them to size, review their activities regularly, and ensure prioritization of spiritual events in these societies.

5. Singing and Dancing to Worldly Music-
We really need to watch it here. We listen to hip hops, Rocks etc which are trending and become tempted to copy the rhythm and sometimes lyrics of such music for church use. Many of these songs and dances are not glorifying God so why copying the world? Ladies now twerk and wiggle in sexually provocative styles in churches at the sound of such worldly music. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world , neither the things that are in the world . If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Choirmasters and Music Coordinators pls take note.

6. Stipulating Minimum Amount for Offering-
Few days ago I was in a gathering and the pastor announced that those who do not have up to a certain amount of money to put down as offering should not bother to come out. This wasn’t the first time I’ll hear this announcement coming from the alter. This approach to collection of fat offerings should not be encouraged in the church. Jesus praised the poor widow who cast just two mites into the treasury because that was all she had [Mark 12: 41-44]. If such marginalization was declared before casting of offering at the temple, the poor widow would not have been able to cast her offering which Jesus acknowledged as the greatest of all offerings. Pastors should stop deterring people from casting their offerings; we do not need to inform them that fingers are not equal. Preach and tell the congregation the benefits of giving bountiful offering to God and let Him nourish His word in their heart and not indirectly telling them, ‘you cannot give the little you have to God.’

7. Organizing sport/game Competitions-
I do not know when sporting became an important spiritual exercise in the church. I once attended a church where a football match between two parishes led to a serious fracas. This later grew to a feud and it took many years for some of the youths and priests to heal the wounds of bitterness sustained during the match. It is more ideal to organize Bible quizzes and competitions which is very much unlikely to sow seeds of discord.

8. Letting out Church Premise/Properties for Secular Purposes-
I my humble opinion, it isn’t right to rent out church properties for non-religious activities such as club parties, political meetings etc. They may violate your rules and you would not be able to stop them until they are through.

9. Organizing Excursions and Sightseeing-
This should be left for our work places, families, schools and any other moderate social groups which we may belong to. Christ sent us to the whole world on a mission assignment to evangelize and win souls to the kingdom and not to catch fun. I have attended an excursion organized by the youth leaders of a church and to be honest, nothing gave glory to God in all we did. In fact, it may turn to an avenue for brethren to engage in sexual immoralities.

10. Inviting Secular Musicians and Comedians to Perform at Church Functions-
I have heard some blasphemous jokes from many comedians lately. It is so saddening that churches invite such performers to anchor programmes and all you hear are disrespectful words against God all in the name of making people laugh. How can you bring a secular musician to the church and expect him to bring down the spirit of God with his or her hip hop or RnB?

May the Lord revive the church again. Amen

ammyluv2002:
11. White wedding

12. Naming

Bolded yes
as for naming that is part of our culture before the white slave masters who brought us their garbage in form of religion and take away our rich culture came.

Calling pastors mummy & daddy

xmich:


Bolded yes
as for naming that is part of our culture before the white slave masters who brought us their garbage in form of religion and take away our rich culture came.

Not mine! We dont do naming in my place though some churches do it sha

Orunto:
The churches can do all of those things you are criticising. They can charge for conselling and use the money to improve the household of God. The Bible says, "In all labour is a reward, the talk of the lips tenneth unto penury". King Solomon told us of music being the food of life. God loves music. The Angels sing day and night @ the The Temple of Grace. So when humans sing anywhere anyhow on earth, they please God. God loves Hollywood, Nollywood, Pub-songs etc.

u need pankere mimo

twoondei:
One of my patients bought a 5litre gallon of holy water for 500k from those banner wearing people as treatment for pericarditis after refusing surgery..
He died just after he finished drinking the water.
Things are bad around here

is dis a joke or wat?

Gombs:





lies.



You'd not understand reasons some churches do what they do.



Tithe should be encouraged, not forced. Churches keeping records of your Tithe are only helping you. It's wrong however to deny brethren privileges because they do not Tithe.



You have no right to tell a church what societies should be or shouldn't. Why not pray about it?



Why not let God complain about it? Or has He spoken to you? To the pure, all things are pure... It's in your Bible.



You're really getting yourself worked up over nothing. Those called out that met the specific amount did not complain, those who didn't meet the amount didn't complain.. Why you? You don't even know what God and the pastor has spoken about before that event.



This too?
So, sporting events should be decimated because two teams had a hard time playing fair? So far it does not go against the Bible, all events including arts ( are welcomed in the church... Even boxing and wrestling games.

1 Timothy 4v8 Msg
Workouts in the gymnasium are useful, but a disciplined life in God is far more so, making you fit both today and forever.



You just exaggerated. If you'd said the church is using a public building (which is not theirs), I can understand. After services, other folks tend to use these venues.



What is wrong in organising excursions and sightseeing? Can you show me where in the Bible that is wrong?



So far they do not sing secular music in church, I do not see anything wrong in that. The church should be open to all, even the worse sinners.

The sad part of this your number ten is that a serial fornicator will be the first to want to crucify the church for inviting say Timaya who sang a wonderful worship song.

stop defending hypocrisy.. All the points the op wrote about are NOT SCRIPTURAL!! You cannot serve two masters, one have to go for the other. It's either you serve God in an acceptable way enshrined in the Holy writ of God or you do otherwise. God is not forcing anybody. Special thanks to the op. U're blessed sir.

brize:
Thats why i told you about Catholics here,that excursion we are talking about is just like once in a year for most of the organisations here and what do you think we use all other days to do We worship and evangelize too, for the sexual immoralities in excursions hmmmm i wont tell wat i dont know, when ever we go on excursion the boys has their separate place from the girls, the Rev. Father always stay in the same place with the boys just to check on them................ Catholics dont take likely anything that goes against life and God.....

Say what you know about your parish AND not Catholic churches in general! I don't know why you chose to single out only the catholic church as the only church that don't do all the op stated! ( except the sport and excursions things) this thread wasn't intended to bash any denomination or exalt! Its purly the truth about what goes on in most churches irrespective or denomination. The body of Christ is one! And if a part of it is erring all the other parts are affected. Stop playing the holier than thou card please its unChristlike! No church is above the other or beyond erring. Rendezvou nice piece.