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This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by feelgood(m): 2:26pm On Feb 25, 2009
The views of Patriotic Australian Prime Minister

Whole world Needs A Leader Like This!


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/13/xinsrc_232020513074896831991.jpg


           Prime Minister John Howard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks,


Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '


'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'


'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'


'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'


'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'


Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, WE will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.


If you agree please SEND THIS ON and ON to as many people as you know - I just did.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Kobojunkie: 2:35pm On Feb 25, 2009
Now that is a Prime minister that will get my vote just for that !!! Excellent!
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Lagosboy: 2:35pm On Feb 25, 2009
Does Australia have any moral justification for calling people immigrants when the original aborigines of that land are treated as 2nd class citizens. Useless racist country Damn australia!!!!
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by morpheus24: 3:11pm On Feb 25, 2009
Lagosboy:

Does Australia have any moral justification for calling people immigrants when the original aborigines of that land are treated as 2nd class citizens. Useless racist country Damn australia!!!!

I agree with the minister on this one and just see the rantings by muslims as a new technique of forcing originals inhabitants to accept their beliefs.

wonder why you can build a mosque in Australila but not a church in Saudi Arabia.

Like the minister said if the atmosphere ain't condusive there is the middle east.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Kobojunkie: 3:14pm On Feb 25, 2009
It used to be WHEN IN ROME, DO AS THE ROMANS DO, not WHEN IN ROME, TRY TO FORCE THE ROMANS TO ADAPT TO YOUR WAY. We have abused tolerance and we need to stop it now before it gets out of hand.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Nobody: 3:33pm On Feb 25, 2009
lol. . . .
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by grafikdon: 4:50pm On Feb 25, 2009
This guy is my new Hero. No political correctness bullsh*. If you don't like it, piss off. I like the sound of that. It should be an eye opener for morons who mistake tolerance for weakness.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by russellino: 5:10pm On Feb 25, 2009
The man is the only world leader making any sense. He does not want his country to become like the UK where a xtian country is taken hostage in the name of political correctness. Either they live together in harmony or stay apart in peace.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Sauron1: 5:18pm On Feb 25, 2009
Lagosboy:

Does Australia have any moral justification for calling people immigrants when the original aborigines of that land are treated as 2nd class citizens. Useless racist country Damn australia!!!!

I agree with you. . . .

The single most important factor here is spying on these Muslims infringe on their human rights, no??
Is he spying on the Churches and the Cathedrals too??
This coming from Australia even makes it more sick to ma stomach.
Every Nigerian should be treated as a fraudster because of our reputation??
Every Muslim should be spied because they are terrorists?

Jesus Wept!!!
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by oyb(m): 5:23pm On Feb 25, 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howard

John Winston Howard, AC (born 26 July 1939) was the 25th Prime Minister of Australia from 11 March 1996 to 3 December 2007. He is the second-longest serving Australian Prime Minister after Sir Robert Menzies.
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml

Prime Minister Howard - Muslims Out Of Australia
Summary:
Email forward claims that former Australian Prime Minister John Howard told the media that immigrants should adapt to Australian culture, language and beliefs or leave the country. It also claims that Howard told Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law that they should get out of Australia (Full commentary below).



Status:
Contains elements of truth, but is highly misleading and inaccurate

Update:
In early 2009, an altered version of the message falsely claimed that it was Australia's current Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd who made the comments.

ExamplesadSubmitted, July 2008)
Subject: FW: Please read this! I know you will love it!

Canada & America Need A Leader Like This!


Prime Minister John Howard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American and Canadian citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

If you agree ,  please SEND THIS ON




Commentary:
According to this email forward, former Australian Prime Minister John Howard informed Muslims living in Australia in no uncertain terms that they should leave the country if they wished to live under Islamic Sharia law. The message claims that the then Australian government was intent on targeting Muslim radicals "in a bid to head off potential terror attacks". The email also quotes a no-holds-barred diatribe about immigration supposedly delivered by John Howard. The message suggests that political leaders in Canada and the United States would do well to follow the lead of the Australian Prime Minister with regard to immigration policy.

However, although the message does contain elements of truth, it is in fact highly misleading and inaccurate. At the outset, it should be noted that the message is now quite outdated. Versions of the email began circulating back in 2005. Since then, there has been a change of government in Australia. The Howard Government was resoundingly defeated in November 2007 and the current Australian Prime Minister is Labor's Kevin Rudd. However, the message contains no date and some non-Australian recipients may therefore wrongly assume that it refers to current events rather than events that occurred several years ago in a somewhat different political climate.

The first part of the message suggests that Prime Minister Howard told Muslims who wished to live under Islamic Sharia law that they should get out of Australia. This is partly true in the sense that a high profile Australian political leader did make comments suggesting that Islamic extremists who desired to turn Australia into an Islamic state should leave and that Howard condoned such strongly worded rhetoric. However, it was in fact then Federal Treasurer Peter Costello who actually uttered the comments. A November 2005 article in the Herald Sun notes:
ISLAMIC extremists wanting to enforce fundamentalist law should get out of Australia, federal Treasurer Peter Costello said yesterday.

In a significant hardening of the Government's rhetoric, Mr Costello declared Australia would never be turned into an Islamic state.

"There are Islamic states around the world that practise sharia law," he said. "And if that is your object, you may well be much more at home in such a country than trying to turn Australia into one of those countries, because it is not going to happen."
Then Federal Education Minister Dr Brendan Nelson was also quoted in the media as stating that "those who do not accept and teach Australian values should 'clear off'".

The message also claims that John Howard had given government support to spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. This element of the message is true. An August 2005 article in The Age notes:
Mosques and Islamic schools will be targeted by intelligence agencies as the federal government tries to stamp out homegrown terrorism and extremists.

Prime Minister John Howard said on top of trying to promote Australian values in Islamic schools, the government would monitor what was said in certain schools and mosques to ensure they did not foster terrorism.

Asked whether he was prepared to "get inside" mosques and schools to ensure there was no support for terrorism, Mr Howard was blunt.

"Yes, to the extent necessary," Mr Howard told Southern Cross radio.
Mr Howard qualified the above stance by making clear that his government was not trying to interfere with religious freedoms but only gather intelligence on potential religious or material support for terrorist activities within the Australian Islamic community:
"I have no desire and nor is it the government's intention to interfere in any way with the freedom or practice of religion.

"We have a right to know whether there is, within any section of the Islamic community, a preaching of the virtues of terrorism, whether any comfort or harbour is given to terrorism within that community."
The next part of the message transcribes what is claimed to be a speech delivered by John Howard detailing his views on immigration. The piece calls on immigrants to learn English, adapt to Australian values and lifestyle and pointedly reminds them that they always have the right to leave if they are unhappy in their adopted country.

However, the quoted words were not made by John Howard and were circulating in various forms years before he supposedly uttered them. In fact, the words were originally intended for an American audience and were part of a longer piece penned by Barry Loudermilk, a US Air Force veteran and columnist for a local newspaper in the American state of Georgia. Loudermilk wrote the article as a means of expressing his personal views on patriotism and immigration in post-9/11 America.

The article struck a chord with many readers in the US and elsewhere and it soon spread far and wide via email and other means. At some point, versions adapted to Australia, the UK, and elsewhere began circulating. Finally, the Australianized version of Loudermilk's article was falsely attributed to John Howard and tacked on to the original, more accurate, variant of the above email forward (quoted below):
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament.

"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country.

Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off," he said.
Thus, while the more lengthy version of message that includes Loudermilk's article is still partially factual, it is nonetheless outdated, contains inaccurate information and may perpetrate a quite misleading understanding of Australia's policies on immigration in general and Muslims in particular. Taken out of context, and with the falsely attributed Loudermilk article thrown into the mix, this email may give the impression that Australia is intolerant of migrants, especially those of the Muslim faith. This is not the case. One of Australia's great strengths is its rich cultural diversity and it welcomes migrants from all parts of the world and with many and varied systems of belief.

Sending on factually dubious information such as this is unlikely to be helpful and may even add to the cultural divisions and misunderstandings that plague our strife-torn world.

Update:February 2009
Early in 2009 I began receiving versions of the above email that named Australia's current Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, as the person responsible for the supposed anti-Muslim stance. It seems that some rather unimaginative prankster has simply substituted "Rudd" for "Howard" in the text and replaced the photograph of John Howard with one of Kevin Rudd before sending on the message. The message is otherwise identical to the example included above. The "Rudd" version strays even further from the truth than the original. None of the comments or opinions included in the message have any connection whatsoever with Kevin Rudd or his Government.

sorry to truncate the i hate those bloody muslims bashfest. . .  lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by ow11(m): 5:26pm On Feb 25, 2009
Isn't John Howard the ex-PM of down under?
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by oyb(m): 5:27pm On Feb 25, 2009
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/australia.asp

i hope they forgo political correctness and oust the lot of you from the west. after all, you are all thieves and 419ers anyway , not so. look at your leaders in nigeria, convicted criminals the lot of them. no to political correctness! no more thieving scamming, dishonest nigerians in the west!
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by MrCrackles(m): 5:40pm On Feb 25, 2009
I agree with the Prime Minister here!
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Nobody: 5:43pm On Feb 25, 2009
oyb:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/australia.asp

i[b] hope they forgo political correctness and oust the lot of you from the west.[/b] after all, you are all thieves and 419ers anyway , not so. look at your leaders in nigeria, convicted criminals the lot of them. no to political correctness! no more thieving scamming, dishonest nigerians in the west!

Bad analogy.

The article says shape in or ship out. What is analogous to the PM's comments is the Nigerians who would not conform to the laws of the land they migrated to should be shipped out. And not what you're insinuating that "all Nigerians should leave the West because of their reputation."

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by oyb(m): 5:51pm On Feb 25, 2009
stillwater:

Bad analogy.

The article says shape in or ship out. What is analogous to the PM's comments is the Nigerians who would not conform to the laws of the land they migrated to should be shipped out. And not what you're insinuating that "all Nigerians should leave the West because of their reputation."


grin grin grin grin grin grin

er. . . ok until you nigerians stop scamming/swindling (eg http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-238316.0.html) and decide to make money according to the laws of the land - off with the lot of you!

that sound better tongue
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Nnenna1(f): 6:23pm On Feb 25, 2009
@ thread:

grin . Very refreshing. I have a feeling that Australians aren't Bulls*****rs. Good on them.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by davidylan(m): 7:10pm On Feb 25, 2009
I dont think those were the exact words Howard used, i've read the original comments before and they are not even 20% as sharp as this email. However he did express such sentiments.

BUT the west would do well to elect leaders bold enough to tell those bandits to either adapt or ship out. To live in the west is not by force neither is it a right.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Bastage: 8:10pm On Feb 25, 2009
It wasn't even Howard who said it.
It was his Treasury Secretary - Peter Costello.

The interview can be found here:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1444603.htm
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by osisi2(f): 8:25pm On Feb 25, 2009
This is one president that'll get my vote anyday.
When people go to Saudi,they dress like they want them to dress over there and abide by their rules.
What gives these folks the right to demand their sharia in a non sharia country
are they nuts?
If you love sharia that much,hop on a camel and get back to Islamabad.
end of story
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by blackspade(m): 9:18pm On Feb 25, 2009
Kobojunkie:

It used to be WHEN IN ROME, DO AS THE ROMANS DO, not WHEN IN ROME, TRY TO FORCE THE ROMANS TO ADAPT TO YOUR WAY. We have abused tolerance and we need to stop it now before it gets out of hand.
Exactly.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by RichyBlacK(m): 10:56pm On Feb 25, 2009
**osisi:

This is one president that'll get my vote anyday.
When people go to Saudi,they dress like they want them to dress over there and abide by their rules.
What gives these folks the right to demand their sharia in a non sharia country
are they nuts?
If you love sharia that much,hop on a camel and get back to Islamabad.
end of story


Hmmm.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Kobojunkie: 12:41am On Feb 26, 2009
oyb:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/australia.asp

i hope they forgo political correctness and oust the lot of you from the west. after all, you are all thieves and 419ers anyway , not so. look at your leaders in nigeria, convicted criminals the lot of them. no to political correctness! no more thieving scamming, dishonest nigerians in the west!

Abeg carry your bum to siddon for one side! Let me tell you, if any naija come here do that kind thing, I will be of the group to demand that person be deported back to Nigeria. If you come here and can not adapt but instead demand that we do things your way, my signature will be first on the list of those demanding that you be sent back from whence you came. roflmao!!
Orishirishi!!!
If I want Sharia rule, I will move to saudi arabia or kano. Don't bring it to Lagos where people running away from Sharia go to. The west is usually where those RUNNING away from Sharia seek refuge. Why in the world do people want to change that.

I am sure someone is going to come trying to feed me the gobble-de-goop of how sharia is actually peaceful and not what I see in places like the north and all. I say hold up on implementing sharia until you get it to be as peaceful as you claim. Then come back and we discuss why there should remain sharia-free zones on the globe called THE WEST. Roflmao!!
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by dayokanu(m): 7:36am On Feb 26, 2009
I fully support the Australian president. Is it too much to ask for Moslems to abide by the law of Australia?
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Or Maybe Australia should abide by laws of Moslems Immigrants. which ones?
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Lagosboy: 1:07pm On Feb 26, 2009
Since it has been established that the news is fabricated and false should it not be deleted rather than we comment on this piece of falsehood?

Richy please take note.

Howard is no longer the PM
reference to wednessday is misleading
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by mogentle(m): 3:13pm On Feb 26, 2009
dayokanu:

I fully support the Australian president. Is it too much to ask for Moslems to abide by the law of Australia?
\
Or Maybe Australia should abide by laws of Moslems Immigrants. which ones?

That is the Jos Boiling point.

Hausa/Fulani want to have their local Govt, They want Emir, & even they want to become Chairmen by force, None of which they can allow for a settler in their own states. Very Bad. shocked

One Day we will learn to face reality in this country. why is it that terrorism=islam always?
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by debosky(m): 4:03pm On Feb 26, 2009
Instead on focusing on Australia's problems he was chasing shadows. Not surprising he got kicked out soon afterward in the next election.

I wonder what he would say to the Aborigines if they said the same to the 'Christian' invaders.

Serves him right. grin

In my view, the Muslims have as much of a right to be there as the 'Christians' - they are all immigrants in the end. Ditto for the US, Canada and other largely immigrant nations.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Kobojunkie: 7:24pm On Feb 26, 2009
Lagosboy:

Since it has been established that the news is fabricated and false should it not be deleted rather than we comment on this piece of falsehood?

Richy please take note.

Howard is no longer the PM
reference to wednessday is misleading


The poster does not state that Howard is the issue thouugh.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by preselect(m): 11:00pm On Feb 26, 2009
perhaps the white australians should have left their culture in england and adopted the aborigines culture and way of life. perhaps they should have adopted the aborigines language as well. this is the kind of hypocrisy that is so annoying. this is a race that is notorious for occupations. they occupy, taking with them their culture, language, religion and way of life. in some instances they annihilate the host whom they occupy. they have no moral justification to make such a statement. . . . especially australia.

muslims should be allowed to practice their stuff. they can have anti terror law in australia if they want. but not to open up their rotten mouth,( rotten with the blood of generations of various races they annihilated) to talk of adaptation to their lifestyle.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by dayokanu(m): 4:21am On Feb 27, 2009
Why do you have to cover your head can wear spaghhetti tops in Moslem countries? Everyone there whether National or immigrant obey. but for Moslems it is very difficult to abide by the laws of a foreign land rather they impose theirs on others.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by preselect(m): 6:09am On Feb 27, 2009
then they are all guilty and should keep their mouth shut
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by feelgood(m): 7:44am On Feb 27, 2009
Nairaland - the digression continues. The 'koko' of the matter: if muslims insist on foreigners obeying their laws, etc a la saudi arabia, why is it so difficult for them to obey the laws, etc of their host nations? Why do they expect the host nations to bow to their wishes? Oyb - thanks for the correction.
Re: This Is Australia, Shape In Or Ship Out Muslims - Australian Pm by Lagosboy: 8:02am On Feb 27, 2009
Have the muslims inn australia said they are not going to obey the law of the land? everyone knows breaking the law is tantamount to going to jail.

John Howard another follow follow of Bush shud shut the f*ck up. This is a man that refused to apologise to the aborigines of that land. Worse crimes against humanity were committed against them, their children were taken away from them at birth , families were sent on forced seaparation, Australia now called a white country Damn australia!!!
He doesnt have the moral justification to say such nonsense or anything close to it, was christianity the religion of the aborigines before the white British prisoners were shipped out to Australia?

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