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Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 7:42am On Jun 21, 2015
Where in the Bible did Jesus say he was the Son of God or God himself.



Read the entire Gospels and please show me where!



Am waiting...
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by belamour(m): 7:43am On Jun 21, 2015
After reading your signature

E be like say you need carry half bag of beans
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 7:45am On Jun 21, 2015
belamour:
After reading your signature
E be like say you need carry half bag of beans
lolz, am waiting for a spirit filled Christian to give me answers! where did Jesus himself call himself God?
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by Nairalane: 8:20am On Jun 21, 2015
Read John 14 Vs 1~10. Jesus Told Philip That He Is The Father. Luke 10 Vs 22. Ist John 5 Vs 20, John 1 Vs 1~4,14.There Are So Many Other Verses. Just Believe. That Is When U Have Faith In God. Faith Begins Where Human Reasoning Ends.
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by AfricanApple(f): 8:27am On Jun 21, 2015
Nairalane:
Read John 14 Vs 1~10. Jesus Told Philip That He Is The Father. Luke 10 Vs 22. Ist John 5 Vs 20, John 1 Vs 1~4,14.There Are So Many Other Verses. Just Believe. That Is When U Have Faith In God. Faith Begins Where Human Reasoning Ends.
if you didn't have an answer in the first place, why try? why conclude that op is faithless. he needs clarification or better still prove. you have not answer bro.
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by Nairalane: 8:34am On Jun 21, 2015
AfricanApple:
if you didn't have an answer in the first place, why try? why conclude that op is faithless. he needs clarification or better still prove. you have answer bro.
Apple, This Is A Forum And Not A Site For Reading. So, The Content Of My Comment Wil Serve The Op, Other Readers, And The Potential Criticism That Might Be Raised. Thanks Anyway, AfroApple
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by Genea(f): 8:55am On Jun 21, 2015
Matt 11 vs 27
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by mustymatic(m): 10:44am On Jun 21, 2015
Nairalane:
Read John 14 Vs 1~10. Jesus Told Philip That He Is The Father. Luke 10 Vs 22. Ist John 5 Vs 20, John 1 Vs 1~4,14.There Are So Many Other Verses. Just Believe. That Is When U Have Faith In God. Faith Begins Where Human Reasoning Ends.

@ answer these, d verses u quoted:
1- who is talking here? a- God b- Jesus c- Others
2- People like Mathew, Luke Said Jesus is
son of a man, does God dwell in them? a- yes b- no
Note: Just answer the question by a or b or c
God bless you as you do so
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by Nairalane: 2:31pm On Jun 21, 2015
[quote author=mustymatic post=34987101]
@ answer these, d verses u quoted: 1- who is talking here? a- God b- Jesus c- Others 2- People like Mathew, Luke Said Jesus is son of a man, does God dwell in them? a- yes b- no Note: Just answer the question by a or b or c God bless you as you do so[/quote ] A Is The Answ To Both
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by ayoku777(m): 2:38pm On Jun 21, 2015
kinggenesis:
Where in the Bible did Jesus say he was the Son of God or God himself.



Read the entire Gospels and please show me where!



Am waiting...

John 9v35 -Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the SON OF GOD?

v36 -He answered and said, Who is He, Lord, that I might believe on Him?

v37 -And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen Him, and it is He that talketh with thee.

Jesus called Himself the Son of God in the above verse.

There is no verse in the gospels where Jesus Himself talking called Himself God, but He was called God by John in John 1v1 and also by Thomas in John 20v28.

John 1v1 -In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20v28 -And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God.

There are many other verses in the scriptures (but outside the gospels) where Jesus is called God.

Isaiah 9v6 -For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be on His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God,...

Jesus is called Mighty God here.

Jeremiah 23v5-6 -Behold, the days come saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous branch, and a king shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

In His days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is His name whereby He shall be called, YHVH TSIDKENU.

Jesus is called Yahova Tsidkenu here.

And the scriptures cannot be broken (John 10v35)

There are more verses that show Jesus is God; but these should do.

God bless
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 2:54pm On Jun 21, 2015
ayoku777:


John 9v35 -Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the SON OF GOD?

v36 -He answered and said, Who is He, Lord, that I might believe on Him?

v37 -And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen Him, and it is He that talketh with thee.

Jesus called Himself the Son of God in the above verse.

There is no verse in the gospels where Jesus Himself talking called Himself God, but He was called God by John in John 1v1 and also by Thomas in John 20v28.

John 1v1 -In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20v28 -And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God.

There are many other verses in the scriptures (but outside the gospels) where Jesus is called God.

Isaiah 9v6 -For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be on His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God,...

Jesus is called Mighty God here.

Jeremiah 23v5-6 -Behold, the days come saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous branch, and a king shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

In His days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is His name whereby He shall be called, YHVH TSIDKENU.

Jesus is called Yahova Tsidkenu here.

And the scriptures cannot be broken (John 10v35)

There are more verses that show Jesus is God; but these should do.

God bless
I'm not interested in ur opinion. Open your bible and show me where Jesus told anybody that he is God.
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by ayoku777(m): 3:06pm On Jun 21, 2015
kinggenesis:
I'm not interested in ur opinion. Open your bible and show me where Jesus told anybody that he is God.


How is any of what I said there my opinion?

The Father Himself was the one talking in all those verses where Jesus is called Mighty God (Isaiah 9v6) and YHVH Tsidkenu (Jeremiah 23v6)

How are those verses my opinion? Is it you don't believe the bible is the Word of God? Or just those verses?

Or you mean if the Father calls Jesus Mighty God and YHVH Tsidkenu, it doesn't count unless Jesus said so Himself?
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by Nobody: 3:36pm On Jun 21, 2015
xtians paulians cant provide a single clear verse sad
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by Nobody: 3:43pm On Jun 21, 2015
How can one tell since none of us were there.
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 4:59pm On Jun 21, 2015
The Bible says that God is not a son of man ‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19) The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’ ‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40) ‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27) ‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28) ‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10) ‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27) In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).

If he was the son of God, why did he call himself Son of Man? (Mark 14:61-62)
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:08pm On Jun 21, 2015
The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19) And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:09pm On Jun 21, 2015
The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus ‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28) ‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29) Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:12pm On Jun 21, 2015
Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him ‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2) ‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23) ‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23) If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:15pm On Jun 21, 2015
Disciples did not believe Jesus was God The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying: ‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22) For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed In Matthew 12:18) ‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13) ‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:17pm On Jun 21, 2015
The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant ‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:19pm On Jun 21, 2015
If Jesus was son of God, then he is God himself... why are there contradictions?
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:21pm On Jun 21, 2015
Of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30) The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal with God and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do: ‘But when the crowds saw this, they were
awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9 : 8 ) ‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22) ‘he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38) If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles himself without making reference to God.

The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:24pm On Jun 21, 2015
Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’ ‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46) ‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:26pm On Jun 21, 2015
Bible says that God cannot be seen But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by NervousErection(m): 5:28pm On Jun 21, 2015
A Christian will never categorically tell or show where jesus said he is God but of course he will try to explain to you. Because as usual the bible is always "misinterpreted"
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:29pm On Jun 21, 2015
The Bible says God had many ‘sons’ First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament. For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a true son
of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method. Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38) Jacob is God’s
son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22) Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14) Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9) is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of God: ‘Ye are
the children of the Lord your God’ (Deuteronomy 14:1)
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:30pm On Jun 21, 2015
Since Adam, Jacob and Ephraim were called SON of God! they must be God too and be worshipped, right?
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:33pm On Jun 21, 2015
“Israel is My son, even My firstborn” (Exodus 4:22) who is Jesus then?
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:37pm On Jun 21, 2015
"for I (God) am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.” (Jeremiah 31:9) who is Jesus then?
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:38pm On Jun 21, 2015
"the Lord hath said unto me (David): ‘Thou art My son: this day have I begotten thee.” (Psalms 2:7) who is Jesus then?
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:40pm On Jun 21, 2015
"for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” (Romans 18:14)
Re: Did Jesus Actually Say He Was The Son Of God Or God Himself? by kinggenesis(m): 5:43pm On Jun 21, 2015
In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

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