doyinbaby:
I don't believe some doctrines of the catholic church,,,,.But I find out that it is so difficult to convince a catholic.....you just have to let them be...
I will never support anything that can not be found from genesis to revelation

Ubenedictus:
If you want to convince a catholic begin by sincerity not by lying as brocab has just done where he claims the catholic church didnt help jews during the holocaust, whereas catholic were foremost in saving jews and speaking and lobbying against d nazis.

If you avoid lying and insincerity, then any catholic will listen to you and have a friutful discussion.

brocab:
Uben it is just you don't understand what I actually mean when I said the Catholic's Lied saving the Jews. and I am not expecting you too understand, you aren't Christian.
But I was right about the Catholic's they supported their own, and Hitler was Catholic...
We can't deny that, now can we.
We just need to look at your fruit Uben.

brocab:
But I was right about the Catholic's they supported their own, and Hitler was Catholic...
We can't deny that, now can we.
We just need to look at your fruit Uben.

Ubenedictus:
Adolf Hitler, speech in Berlin (December, 1924)
Martin Luther has been the greatest
encouragement of my life. Luther was a great man. He was a giant. With one blow he heralded the coming of the new dawn and the new age. He saw clearly that the Jews need to be destroyed, and we're only beginning to see that we need to carry this work on.... I believe that today I am acting in accordance with the will of Almighty God as I announce the most important work that Christians could
undertake - and that is to be against the Jews and get rid of them once and for all. www.tentmaker.org/books/MartinLuther-HitlersSpiritualAncestor.html

doyinbaby:
Some Christians are sound in the word of God....kudos for defending the faith

Ubenedictus:
If you want to convince a catholic begin by sincerity not by lying as brocab has just done where he claims the catholic church didnt help jews during the holocaust, whereas catholic were foremost in saving jews and speaking and lobbying against d nazis.

If you avoid lying and insincerity, then any catholic will listen to you and have a friutful discussion.

jossypet:
A simple question we should ask ourselves: if I wasn't taught anything at all about Christianity and I read the bible for myself, how/what will my prayer be like?

Blue86:
If it is based on the premise of prayer
You got it all wrong.
1. The invisible personalities that can pray for us is the Lord Jesus. (He is at the right hand of the father making intercession for us) -Romans 8:34
2. The Holy Ghost-Romans 8:26 and Ephesians 6:18.Now the function of the Holy Spirit is to give you what to say, not to do the praying for you.
3. The Lord Jesus is the propitiation (to appease) for our sins and the whole world -1st John the beloved 2:2.St John even put it this way "he himself "
The visible people that can pray for you pertaining sin wise is your fellow brethren that are/is strong in the faith.
1. 1John 5:16
2.James 5:19
3. Galatians 3:1

Tankwu.

Blue86:
If it is based on the premise of prayer
You got it all wrong.
1. The invisible personalities that can pray for us is the Lord Jesus. (He is at the right hand of the father making intercession for us) -Romans 8:34
2. The Holy Ghost-Romans 8:26 and Ephesians 6:18.Now the function of the Holy Spirit is to give you what to say, not to do the praying for you.
3. The Lord Jesus is the propitiation (to appease) for our sins and the whole world -1st John the beloved 2:2.St John even put it this way "he himself "
The visible people that can pray for you pertaining sin wise is your fellow brethren that are/is strong in the faith.
1. 1John 5:16
2.James 5:19
3. Galatians 3:1

Tankwu.

teegirl085:
.....diaris only one way to God....n dat's tru Jesus Christ....

teegirl085:
.....diaris only one way to God....n dat's tru Jesus Christ....

Orgahfloxzy:
More grace to ur elbow my broda.
Nice one#live out the catholic faith

doyinbaby:
You can never win a Catholic in argument.....just let them be be

doyinbaby:
I don't believe some doctrines of the catholic church,,,,.But I find out that it is so difficult to convince a catholic.....you just have to let them be...
I will never support anything that can not be found from genesis to revelation

Ken4Christ:


Please, can you show us anywhere in the Bible where the Church prayed through Mary?

What makes you think Mary is more Saintly than you?

We are all Saints in Christ Jesus.

This doctrine is from the pit of hell. Through it away. Mary is not and can't be our mediator.

Jesus never even called her mother. He called her woman.

Jesus even despised her on one occasion when he was preaching

Matthew 12:46-50
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Jusmudi:

The wedding feast

brocab:
What happened to {Matthew 12:46-50} Why not explain to us why Jesus said this "who His Mother Brother and sisters are?
Those who do the will of God, are His family-not someone who doesn't.

Jusmudi:

Wat do u knw by d word broda? We hv different type of broda, broda in christ, broda in crime, broda in cult, broda of xam family. do u knw sm of d disciples were jesus's cousin? Hw do ur grandmother wu is nt educated cal ur cousin?

Jusmudi:

Wat do u knw by d word broda? We hv different type of broda, broda in christ, broda in crime, broda in cult, broda of xam family. do u knw sm of d disciples were jesus's cousin? Hw do ur grandmother wu is nt educated cal ur cousin?

brocab:
Now let me guess! I am glad to help your needs, to try and figure this out for you-well lets start with-Elizabeth was barren but the Lord gave her one child, John the baptize, and around the same time Mary also received a Son from God' And one was greater than the other, As it were Mary and Elizabeth were cousins.
Elizabeth Had John and of course Mary had Jesus-and later she had other children with Joseph, which of course Jesus had half brothers and sisters.
Jesus brothers are mentioned in many bible verses {Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, Mark 3:31} The bible tells us that Jesus had 4 brothers {Matthew 13:55} The bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered {Matthew 13:56, John 7: 1-10} The brothers went on into the festival while Jesus stayed behind{Acts 1:14} His Mother and His brothers are described as praying with the disciples {Galatians 1:19} Mentions that James was Jesus brother, the most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half siblings.
So I do hope this helps you-now you know Mary was like everyone else, she wasn't any different, to any other female, the only difference is, she was the Mother of Christ, she lived a normal life like any other Mother should, Blessed yes' but so is everyone who comes in the name of the Lord. Blessed is he who believes.
So stand down, and worship the Lord your God, and Him only, you shall serve.

Jusmudi:

U really did not write this long Episode just for fun

Jusmudi:
Catholics do not pray "to" Mary as an equal to God. They pray "through" Mary as an intercessor who prays to God on behalf of mankind.

Jusmudi:
Catholics do not pray "to" Mary as an equal to God. They pray "through" Mary as an intercessor who prays to God on behalf of mankind.
If Catholics were to pray to Mary, this would imply that they are worshipping her as a god. But Catholics do not perceive Mary as a god. (i) They honour the Blessed Virgin Mary. (ii) The view Mary as the holiest of all the Saints. (iii) The accept the fact that Mary is the most successful Saint at obtaining Divine favours through her intercession. the above mentioned belief is partially based on the fact that Jesus is the King of kings and Mary, as the mother of the King, is the "queen mother." Then, when studying Jewish history, it is discovered that the institution of the "queen mother" was established during the reign of King Solomon.
In the Old Testament, we learn of the favoured position of the queen mother through the following words, "... then the king sat on his throne, and had a throne brought for the king's mother, and she sat on his right. Then she said, 'I have one small request to make of you, do not refuse me.' And the king said to her, 'Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you.'" [1 Kgs. 2:19-20]
Following the reign of King Solomon, many of the kings kept this practice. The mother of the king, through who the king received his throne, was trusted as a confident and advisor. So important was the function of the queen mothers in the days of the Old Testament that their names were listed in the succession records of the kings of Judah. [See 1 Kgs 14:21, 15:13; 2 Kgs. 12:1, 14:2, 15:2, etc...]
Similar to the intercession of the Queen Mother, when a child desires a favour and cannot obtain it from his/her parents, frequently the child will make the request to the grandparent to intercede on his/her behalf, therefore obtaining the favour that was being sought. This does not mean that the child is seeking the parental favour from the grandparent. Rather, the child is seeking the intercession of the grandparents before the parents.
Furthermore, Catholics do not differentiate between the living (in this world) and the dead (those who departed) members of the Body of Christ (the fullness of the Church.) The fullness of the mystical Body of Christ is found in the union of all the saints, past and present, here below and those above in Heaven.
In view of the aforementioned, it cannot be denied that those who were called to Heaven, including Mary, are still alive in spirit in the Kingdom of God that coexists with our world. As some non-Catholics pray through their deceased parents, grandparents or other biological relatives, asking these beloved departed persons to intercede before God on their behalf, Catholics pray through Mary to Jesus, taking advantage of her blessed position as the Mother of God.
This Catholic action affirms the prophetic and Divinely inspired passage that is found in the Holy Bible where it states, "Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed." [Lk. 1:47] All generations could not call Mary blessed if she was not actively involved in the progressive Divine Plan that continues to develop before our eyes.
Indeed, all generations have called the Blessed Virgin Mary blessed, including this one, because she has never stopped interceding on behalf of the world, her intercession obtaining endless miraculous cures and other favours. The role of Mary in the area of obtaining physical miraculous cures is well known and documented in Lourdes, France, this being only one of the many holy places where the grace of God has been manifested through the Virgin Mary at apparition sites.
Rev;5:8(the prayer of the saints)
Rev 8:3-4(the prayer of Angels)
Matt18:10(Angels praying for little children )
Even at the wedding feast of cana
I Bliv some catholics in the houz can help me with some point. Tanks

brocab:

You don't pray to Mary-but yet the Catholic's pray through Mary using Mary as their mediator to bring them closer to God, as they claim-when in scripture Jesus is our only mediator to the Father.
There is so many different religions that claim they walk with Jesus-all of course they claim to follow the scriptures, denying it's power, Jesus said: many will claim to be Him in the last day's..
Buddhist for interest, they clearly quote some scriptures and they focus on good thoughts-keeping their bad thoughts out, "O" I wish we could all do that, it's understanding why they keep themselves separate from the rest of the world.
Buddhist do mediate claiming to know God-but who is their God-he is a man pointed as high priest, while his followers bow and worship him, bringing him gifts-claiming to be the holy of hollies" a false Christ in the makings.
We have so many different religions claiming some what other then the real Christ Himself-this is why I rely on the Word of God to keep me from going astray-people from all sorts of life are deceived daily, Jesus said: many have been called, but few are chosen, wrong teachings can cause problems within the body of Christ, it keeps them further away from the truth.
The Word of God teaches us, when we pray we pray directly to the Father in heaven in our secret place {Matthew 6:6}

Jusmudi:


Bro na English u Dey speak wel done

brocab:
Every religion-has a Jesus-but not every religion have a fellowship with Jesus, nor do they accept the Holy Spirit, nor pray only to the Father, I say if we can't understand the scriptures in the first place-then we don"t know Jesus at all..

Jusmudi:


U are very right on this. But I know my church, we deal with everything concerning d Trinity. Bro d truth is, Christianity is based on conscience