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Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 9:58pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Nairaland111: Anywhere in the bible angels where praying for u? Educate me. Glory be to God, angels often come to our rescue. But usually it is in response to prayer made to God, not to them, as we see in the case of Daniel. *[[Dan 10:12]] Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. Note the ' BEFORE GOD' |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Ubenedictus(m): 10:05pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
accountable:i see the english is confusing u. Matthew 18:10 New International Version (NIV) “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven. Berean Study Bible See that you do not look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven. Berean Literal Bible See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I say to you that their angels in the heavens continually behold the face my of Father, who is in the heavens. New American Standard Bible "See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven. So as u can sed the angels of those kid continually see d face of God always! I also took d liberty of giving u a commentary on it so u can see d historic understanding of d passage. This doctrine (which, as of very solemn import, the Lord introduces with his usual formula, I say unto you), that each soul has assigned to it by God a special angel is grounded on this, and supported by many other passages of Scripture (comp. Hebrews 1:14; Psalm 34:7; Psalm 91:11; Luke 15:7, 10). It has been questioned how angels can be said to succour us on earth, while in heaven they are always looking on the face of the Father. The difficulty has been answered, among others, by St. Gregory, who writes, "They never so go forth apart from the vision of God, as to be deprived of the joys of interior contemplation. They are both sent from him, and stand by him too, since both in that they are circumscribed, they go forth, and in this that they are also entirely present, they never go away. Thus they at the same time always behold the Father's face, and yet come to us; because they both go forth to us in a spiritual presence, and yet keep themselves there, whence they had gone out, by virtue of interior contemplation" ('Moral.,' 2:3). 1 Like |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Jusmudi(m): 10:17pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Chapter 2 Titled: OBJECT Before u start up a firm u must hv two tins in ur mind which are: ur plan nd ur finance. Ur plan include ur objective nd d object which are d principle tins needed, so b4 dey started d legion, dey came wit d idea which is dia objective which is winning soul 4 Christ nd doing good works 4 God nd d object of d Legion is d glory of God through d Holiness of its members nd dis holiness can b develop by prayer nd Active work wit ur fellow legionary which is d aim of crushing d head of d serpent. Any additional object can nt b added by a individual bt by a body of legionaries in higher council which is d CONCILIUM. Any thing outside d handbook of d Legion is @ d disposal of d bishop of d diocese nd d parish priest who is d spiritual director of d Legion in dia parish . Legion ll never do anything without d approval of d parish priest |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Jusmudi(m): 10:23pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:Tank u very much |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Jusmudi(m): 10:26pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Chapter 3 Titled: SPIRIT OF THE LEGION 2mrw |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 10:31pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: The commentary sheds light indeed and perfectly explains why they are not omnipresent. : present in all places at all times( merriamwebster) It explains that they are present with God continually through 'inward contemplation'. That's not omnipresence neither are they sharing at all in it. I guess that the edifying aim of the commentary is to encourage us to inward contemplation so as to continually possess a sense of God's presence, that doesn't make us omnipresent. When angels are in heaven they are in heaven, when in earth they are in earth. They cannot physically be in both places at same time. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 10:39pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: There is no need to quote so many versions, they are all saying the same same thing. The commentary has explains the the angels go back and forth, but are present with God continually through inward contemplation. 1 Like |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 10:42pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Jusmudi:U're welcome |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Jusmudi(m): 10:47pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
accountable:Ar u a legionary? |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 10:51pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Jusmudi:Was. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Ubenedictus(m): 11:30pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
accountable:angels are not physical being, unless they take a physical appearance, they are spiritual entities, that is why d angel both sees God continually, guide d kind and still rejoice for each sinner dat repent, contemplation put d angel in d presence of God, his awareness is a totally different matter, it is a gift of his nature, sum1 i blive i'll relieve afta dis life. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 11:54pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:I hope our discussion will help both of us and everyone on the forum. Please can u back this up with scripture so we can reason together. Or are u a specialist angeologist? Anyways..... U have not solved the riddle one bit. How can mary , Michael etc be in all the catholic churches, monasteries and countless other places and also in heaven at the same time? I want to assume that we have both agreed that they are not divine neither do they possess the divine attributes because........ An angel was arrested for 21 days in Daniel chapter 10. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 11:55pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:I will give u my take, just want to hear us side first. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Aizenosa(m): 12:01am On Nov 17, 2015 |
People tend not to understand that the laws that bind physical beings aren't the same laws that bind spiritual beings, angels are spirits they transcend space and time. Question for though How does the devil tempt each individual person if it is bound by physical laws, don't forget it's a fallen angel. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Aizenosa(m): 12:09am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Nairaland111: I have not finished the handbook |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 12:18am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Aizenosa:Satan the prince of darkness does not tempt each individual. He makes apparitions only on very special occasions eg in the case of Jesus in matt 4. However he has countless demons that go about to carry out his assignments. A single human being can have several hundreds of demons assigned to him alone at a single time: *[[Mar 5:8-12/ For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. 10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. 11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. Meaning of legion: 1 : the principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3000 to 6000 foot soldiers with cavalry A single individual can have that many demons inside him! |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 12:23am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Spirit entities can travel from place to place at incredible speed. But they cannot be in two different places at the same time. That is omnipresence. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Aizenosa(m): 1:02am On Nov 17, 2015 |
accountable: But yet a human had been gifted that opportunity by the Holy Spirit so hw was it possible don't believe read about Padre pio. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Ubenedictus(m): 1:50am On Nov 17, 2015 |
accountable:heb 12:1, 12:22-25 show me an interesting picture, it say i am on mount zion, every time we lift ourselves in prayer we enter zion, there we have d multitude of angels and saints! The angels are always there and i have access there. The angel and saints are in every prayer meeting, church and prayer place becaue each time we pray we spiritually open d door to mount zion and that reality is present to anyone who really prays. I wanted to share sumtin on dis today bt time isnt my friend. An angel was arrested for 21 days in Daniel chapter 10.i'll advice u to be careful how much u read into a prophetic book. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by italo: 5:22am On Nov 17, 2015 |
accountable: You're the one who said they'd have the kind of spiritual body Christ and the Angels have. Those bodies can hear prayers and move between heaven and earth. It's also you who said the saints are aware of events on earth. Prayers are events. No? Or do you want to deny what you said? |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by italo: 5:25am On Nov 17, 2015 |
accountable: Show us where the Bible says the bold. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by italo: 6:11am On Nov 17, 2015 |
accountable: “Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!” (Psalm 103:20-21) Would the Angels hear the psalmist from heaven...or were all the Angels around the psalmist at that time? |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by italo: 10:21am On Nov 17, 2015 |
accountable:You still haven't shown me which verse said it was an angel that was speaking. V11, v12, v13 or v14? accountable: No they do not share in God's omnipresence or omnipotence because they cannot. It is too big for them to contain. A prophet never shares in God's omniscience: *[[1Co 13:9]] For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. You see? A prophet only prophesies IN PART; He can only know as much as is revealed to him. He cannot contain omniscience because it is too big for him. Now I see why you left the Legion. You pretend to know things that you're ignorant of. 1. Where did the bible say the bold? 2. 2Pet1:4 By whom he hath given us most great and precious promises: that by these you may be made partakers of the divine nature: flying the corruption of that concupiscence which is in the world. Eph3:17 and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith, as you are being rooted and grounded in love. 18 I pray that you may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Galatians 2:20: “It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.” The Bible says God is in us, with the fullness of his divine nature, yet you ignorantly claim God left his omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence behind before he entered us. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 12:05pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
italo:Sorry, I did not border to show you cos I though that the passage was clear. This spirit entity was sent in answer to Daniel's prayers. He was arrested for 21 days by the prince of Persia until archangel michael came to his rescue. So, a spirit entity who is a messenger of God, sent from heaven and is less in power than archangel michael= |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by italo: 12:37pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
accountable: Stop making up stories. If you want to stick to the Bible, stick to it. It could be anything. Bible never said angel...and that Michael rescued him/it doesn't mean Michael is more powerful. angels can rescue even Jesus. Now please answer my last four posts... Or admit that you erred. Thanks. |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Jusmudi(m): 2:26pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
accountable:Wat hapd |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Jusmudi(m): 2:47pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Aizenosa:Were in d handbook dt is difficult 4 u |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 4:28pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
italo:so sorry, i've had an extremely busy day.only 'stole' some time off work to reply when i did. now to ur post...... its either u are been insincere or u have some difficullty recognising truth. the text is so clear. an angel could have rescued Jesus? from whom? i feel guilty; hope i'm not pushing u to blasphemy. Matt 28:18 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. matt 28:18. jesu cannot be arrested let alone need to be resued. he is omnipotent. that said......... |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Jusmudi(m): 4:54pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
accountable:Bros u are quoting sam verse since 1992 |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by italo: 5:42pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
accountable: The text never said "Angel." You inserted that. Jesus was arrested and crucified. Luke22:43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 7:32pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
italo: i will respond, by God's grace, to all ur posts now; im freeer now. the verse you quoted are true but this is why: Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. dont forget who Jesus is John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Jesus is God he was made lower than the angels when he was made flesh and dwelt among us. i must confess that you have concentrated so long on that which cannot save that you have lost sight of the glory of ur lord. Phil 2:5-10 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; as at the days of daniel, Jesus was not yet made flesh, he was in the form of god [heb 2;6] |
Re: Legion Of Mary Chat Room by Nobody: 7:36pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Jusmudi:no, i have not been in nairaland for up to a month yet. moreover, i have not quoted this verse yet on this thread. |
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