Dapo777:
Does life have an intrinsic value and purpose? Independent of what you or I want to give it?

Dapo777:


If life means anything I give it to mean, then it means life is a mirage, a fiction and not real.

johnydon22:
Like i said, its all what YOU give yours. . . Now these thingd you give yours are yours and yours alone

Dapo777:


If life is real, life should have specific values and meanings, if I can get to choose the meaning of life then it means life isn't real. Just like the god of war kratos, someone choose the personality, appearance, the voice of kratos for him because kratos isn't real.

dalaman:


Can I ask you some questions here please?

Its a free country bro

johnydon22:
Lol. . . Life is too short to include suicide. . .Just wait a little while you will soon die. . Op should just hang around for a while

johnydon22:
Its a free country bro

johnydon22:
Let me see if you even what exactly you are talking about..this should have been my first question to you

What is LIFE??

johnydon22:
Like i said, its all what YOU give yours. . . Now these things you give yours are yours and yours alone

dalaman:


How old are you

and how long have you being an atheist?

How did your journey into atheism begin?

I just need a summary, no long details required. I like your mind, its very eloquent and you seem to be erudite when it comes to matters concerning religion.

Dapo777:


Life is everything I am aware of.

Dapo777:


I don't want to give life any meaning, I don't want to see life from my own personal meaning, I want to see life for what it is.
If I give life a personal meaning that's different from every other person's meaning of life, then I am afraid life doesn't exist. Its all in our head.

Life is no different from spiritual demons, every religious persons see demons differently because they aren't real. Everyone sees life differently because life isn't real. #Simple_Logic#

johnydon22:
And this is your definition of life? Good. . . So give me example of how this definition relates to other forms of life

Dapo777:


go straight to Ur point dude.

johnydon22:
You see looking at all your posts here one can easily discern you limit LIFE to humans. . .You forgot to take into consideration all the life forms that are alive jusy like you. . .Micro organisms, trees, insects, fishes and other animals. . . Until you can determine the purpose of these life forms then you can get near knowing what you want.

The bolded and its corresponding assertion is self refuting, for the fact that you mentioned OUR in denial of OUR life is a flawed self refuting attempt on logic already. .

This isn't logic. . . Perception, awareness. . . A tree is perceptive and aware of its sorroundings, an amoeba is perceptive and aware and so are you. . .Likening perception and awareness to the mind plays itself kills the the whole discourse in the dimension of logic. . . Demons et all are all products of the mind which in turn is a product of perception and awareness. . . Until you demonstrate how every form which falls into the scope of LIFE (take other life forms into consideration) are figments of the mind like spirits and stuff, you will always bring up flawed analogies

Dapo777:


Can you perceive anything without your mind?

johnydon22:
Actually you are the one that haven't gone straight to your point because there isn't any just like it is evident enough there isn't any collective purpose to every life

johnydon22:
Brain is more like it because the mind is as a result of activities in the brain.
Every perception is rooted in the brain. . .

You can see (optical perception) because the images formed in your eyes are sent to the brain for interpretation.

You can feel because the stimuli is sent to the brain for interpretation. .

So every perception is a product of the brain. . .

Dapo777:


I don't have any preinformed point to prove here, you are the one saying life is anything i make it to be

And i tell you if thats the case, then life isnt real.

If the intrinsic value of life can't be discovered, can you say life is real?

You started asking me to define the purpose of micro organisms, trees and insect, seriously

What are you driving at, or what is Ur logic behind this?

Dapo777:


Can you say for sure where the stimuli is coming from, outside the perception of your brain?

johnydon22:
And this is exactly an irrelevant question because it already has been answered. . Unless you didn't see where i said



Simply put, No perception is independent of the brain. .

Dapo777:


So nothing exists outside the perception of your brain?

johnydon22:
This where your misconception started maybe its due to not paying attention to my exact words. . .i said
"The MEANING to your Life is EXACTLY what you give" and meaning in this context was purpose not what life is
Again, Value remains subjective and not collective. . .Stop making absolute statements by subjecting everything under one collective umbrella.

Because you seem to limit LIFE to humans in your post. . . You could have included LIFE as we know it and that includes every living organism.
Do not wish to encompass others in your meaning or purpose. . . If it is the definition of life you are looking for then there are many of them out there there that does it justice. . . But if it the purpose of life, that part remains Subjective

johnydon22:
Simply put "The perception of existence is rooted in the brain"

Dapo777:


Put Ur emotions aside for a minute and let's reason.
This isn't about me trying to "encompass others in my meaning or purpose." Its about me finding objective meaning or purpose of life.

johnydon22:
Actually i don't employ emotional sentiments in my discussions.

There you go, How can you find the Objective meaning of life. . .There are many forms of life out there like i mentioned earlier, so your meaning must include them, until you find out the meaning of these life forms you cannot hope to make an objective statement regarding the meaning of life (Everything alive)

Dapo777:


That means existence is also a perception that cant be verified objectively?

Dapo777:


I mean purpose or value, when I say "meaning" I am not talking about semantics here

johnydon22:
Just as perception differs, definitions differs. . . In this case PERCEPTION is already an objective factor in this case