Christians usually argue that the Bible was written by writers who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. If this is true, then we shouldn’t find any fault within the Bible. Is this really the case? This article gives some citations by Adam Clarke, the Christian commentator where he shows that Ezra fell in some faults when he wrote the Chronicles This can be highlighted in his commentary.

Faults of the Writer of Ezra Acknowledged by Adam Clarke

Adam Clarke tells in his commentary on 1Chronicles 7:6:

“The sons of Benjamin; Bela, and Becher and Jediael – In Gen_46:21, ten sons

of Benjamin are reckoned; ….. In Num_26:38, etc ., five sons only of Benjamin are
mentioned, Bela, Ashbel, Ahiram, Shupham, and Hupham: and Ard and Naaman are
there said to be the sons of Bela; ….. The rabbins say that Ezra, who wrote this book, did not know whether some of these were sons or grandsons; and they intimate also that the tables from which he copied were often defective, and here we must leave all such matters.”

http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?bk=12&ch=7

We can see here that Adam Clarke admits that there were some defective tables from which he copied. The question now is: If the Bible writers were inspired by the Holy Spirit, why were they misled by copying from a defective copy?

Then Adam Clarke continues in 1Chronicles 8:29 saying:

“And at Gibeon – This passage to the end of the 38th verse is found with a little variety in the names, 1Ch_9:35- 44.

The rabbins say that Ezra, having found two books that had these passages with a variety in the names, as they agreed in general, he thought best to insert them both, not being able to discern which was the best. “

http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?bk=12&ch=8

How can we say that Ezra or any Bible writer were really inspired? If the one who rewrote the Torah was a prophet who took the revelation from God, he wouldn’t have fell in that problem, and he would have been able to distinguish the defective copies.

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jomoh:
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Aye nobody cares

mustymatic:
Aye nobody cares

I do...
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Dreams, inspirations and personal experience can be a product of hallucinations, plastered, ghana weed brain, optical illusion etc.

[Quran16:43 YusuAli] And before thee also the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted INSPIRATION: if ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message

[Quran 16:43 Pickthal] And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We INSPIRED - Ask the followers of the Remembrance if ye know not.

Is the quran correct?

Op, kindly answer the following:

1. Define the term Inspiration.
2. Succinctly differentiate between Inspiration and Dictation.

truthman2012:
[Quran16:43 YusuAli] And before thee also the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted INSPIRATION: if ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message

[Quran 16:43 Pickthal] And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We INSPIRED - Ask the followers of the Remembrance if ye know not.

Is the quran correct?

Yes the Quran is correct, it's just that you don't understand what it means.

And We sent not (as Our Messengers) before you (O Muhammad SAW) any but men, (Jesus included) whom We inspired, (to preach and invite mankind to believe in the Oneness of Allah). So ask of those who know the Scripture [learned men of the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], if you know not. Clearly, this ain't talking about you as you don't believe in oneness of Allah, you don't believe in Muhammad sef
Now answer the OP

Scholar8200:
Op, kindly answer the following:

1. Define the term Inspiration.
2. Succinctly differentiate between Inspiration and Dictation.

Answer the OP first and I'll answer you

mustymatic:


Yes the Quran is correct, it's just that you don't understand what it means.

And We sent not (as Our Messengers) before you (O Muhammad SAW) any but men, (Jesus included) whom We inspired, (to preach and invite mankind to believe in the Oneness of Allah). So ask of those who know the Scripture [learned men of the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], if you know not. Clearly, this ain't talking about you as you don't believe in oneness of Allah, you don't believe in Muhammad sef
Now answer the OP

Where did you see ''Oneness of allah'' in that verse? Stop lying!!! Don't you have conscience?


You guys will keep changing the wordings of the quran till the interpretation will no more tally with the arabic text.

truthman2012:


Where did you see ''Oneness of allah'' in that verse? Stop lying!!! Don't you have conscience?


You guys will keep changing the wordings of the quran till the interpretation will no more tally with the arabic text.

All the messengers of Allah preached the same message (belief) revealed to them,the oneness of Allah, its only the jurisprudence that changes. I'm explaining to you, when you explain the bible where do you get aid? the quran is not translated jus like that. check other translations for better understanding, why would I lie? na wa for you ooh ..
Keep deviating from the op

They are running out of the thread while lieman2012 is typing rubbish as usual

Benjamin must have had daughters (not sons only) such that the names included in Genesis 46 were their husband's names since right from Genesis, Daughters are hardly mentioned in genealogies. Meaning, at other times, the biological sons and their sons may be mentioned while occasions may demand that the names of both biological and legal sons (who married the daughters) are named.

Genesis 5:4-10 etc

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:

8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:

10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:

The above even shows that there might be times when not all the sons are named!
Moreover, it will be anachronistic to analyse these genealogies with the eyes of today's principles! The principle below is no longer in practise today:
Genesis 3:7,8

7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him.

8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
Also:
Deuterenomy 25:5,6



Per vs 8, the child (if he had been born) will be named in Er and Onan's genealogy as the son of both men for genealogical and inheritance purposes! (This practise is key to understanding issues like Salathiel and Zerrubabel in Luke and Matthew's genealogy etc)

mustymatic:

All the messengers of Allah preached the same message (belief) revealed to them,the oneness of Allah, its only the jurisprudence that changes. I'm explaining to you, when you explain the bible where do you get aid? the quran is not translated jus like that. check other translations for better understanding, why would I lie? na wa for you ooh ..
Keep deviating from the op

This is where you got it wrong. The Jews already believed in Oneness of God. Therefore Jesus didn't need to preach it to them:

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is ONE (Deut 6:4).

But mind you, the one-God referred to there is not islamic allahh but Yahweh.

truthman2012:


This is where you got it wrong. The Jews already believed in Oneness of God. Therefore Jesus didn't need to preach it to them:

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is ONE (Deut 6:4).

But mind you, the one-God referred to there is not islamic allahh but Yahweh.

Who said the above verse?