Highcuerayte:
Lol..... Bro you are both saying the same thing. I don't see why you have difficulty seeing the agreement between both.

Do you know God standard for you is to be unconscious of sin as a son? Spend your life not thinking of how to avoid sin? This can only be done by listening to the direct voice of God that guides you everyday and not the listless list of "thou shall not"

Isaacmacdon:
u r indeed asleep nd nids 2 wake up. Jesus was a human as u said buh let me remind u dat Jesus is GOD.. Nd for d fact dat he is a GOD he has al d knowledge nd power to withstand d human nature.. B4 abraham,Jesus was..

BreezyRita:
Toks2008, God bless you my brother for this.
I get your drift. Some people have seen themselves as being do unworthy of God's mercy that they just give up. They believe they've erred too much and can't be forgiven.
Surprisingly, this is what some churches teach. They run you down with words from the Bible. Tell you how much of a sinner you are; judge you and just make you lose hope.
I've been in situations when I find myself doing something I know I shouldn't be doing as a Christian. Now, on many occasions these actions were not premeditated. They just happened.
What am to do? Give up and continue doing them or sincerely ask for help from my Father?? The latter of course.

Even well- known men of God struggle with sin. When sin is mentioned, all that comes to mind is fornication, adultery, murder, theft and all. Have we thought about spiritual sins? Believe me, God is quicker to judge those than physical ones. Unbelief? Anxiety? A lot of em.

Finally, His ways are never our ways Isaiah 55:8-9.
1Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Be blessed!

saintgh:
Toks2008
I am glad you wrote this so my question is answered..
So please tell me why you accused me of heresy? Can you see that people like you are those responsible for sending millions of souls to hell?
Tell me one difference my write up has to what you wrote?
Let me stop here.

all i can say is that you re really 'confused' search your scripture with an open mind and see d posibilities you have in christ wen u re saved. u just said wat u feel pple want to hear nt really wat d bible preaches. all dose great men u mentioned in yur write up dat u said sinned,, were punished by God subsequently; from Abraham t o david and so on..& 2dy if we 1 sin dere might nt be instant judgement because we re in d tym of grace & wen we sin God is patient with us hoping we cm back but if 1 dies in such state its hell straight..there 's nting lik forever saved..

Kei144:


You obviously are not a great teacher of the Bible. Even the OP is not a great teacher. He posted some points that look very much like the new gospels being preached in numerous churches today. It was only when seriously challenged that he began to clarify his stance.

By the way, it is one thing to say that it takes the Holy Spirit to be holy, which is being said by everyone any way, and another thing to go into the practicalities. So many people in this country talk about giving their lives to Christ and about the Holy Spirit, yet you cannot rely on many of them over simple matters.

cold:
What i find disconcerting with the Christian faith is this sense of self entitlement. Anyone who doesn't believe in Yahweh or his son Jesus Christ will end up in the lake of fire popularly referred to as hell. Taking into cognisance that there are only about a billion Christians worldwide out of a world population of 7 billion and counting.
Out of the billion Christians three quarters will not make it too heaven but that is besides the point. Assuming every Christian makes it to heaven that still leaves at least between 5.5 billion to 6 billion people to be condemned to eternal damnation simply because they did not believe in the Jewish god nor his son but had their own gods or no god at all. To think this is even a remote possibility has to be the most flawed logic and warped logic ever. Any god contemplating such an idea is simply sick and twisted.

FuckTheMod:

Rubbish

Confused people

Jesus is God Lol!

So God sent is only begotten God to come and die and be crucified for God to forgive us our sins and for God to be pleased with us

RUBBISH

Highcuerayte:
Apparently, i made no claim to be a "great" teacher of the Bible. Greatness is only ascribed to God.

That being said, like i said, many things are wrong with Nigerians Faith of which is the issue of Gospel. Nigerians have the wrong gospel preached and being preached to them which called for your last statement.

The true gospel of Christ as opposed to that which is being preached was,is and will be "Jesus is the Christ" instead of "Give your life to Jesus." The Holy spirit bears witness, no place has the Apostles ever preached "Give your life to Jesus" but it has always been "Jesus is the Christ"

When this true gospel is being preached, the question of who the Christ is will arose. Many will be answered, fulfilment will be attained. Only in the understanding of the name "Christ" will every soul have answers to all questions.

Wrong gospel preached is why we have characters claiming to know Christ worse than that of pagans.

BreezyRita:
Toks2008, God bless you my brother for this.
I get your drift. Some people have seen themselves as being do unworthy of God's mercy that they just give up. They believe they've erred too much and can't be forgiven.
Surprisingly, this is what some churches teach. They run you down with words from the Bible. Tell you how much of a sinner you are; judge you and just make you lose hope.
I've been in situations when I find myself doing something I know I shouldn't be doing as a Christian. Now, on many occasions these actions were not premeditated. They just happened.
What am to do? Give up and continue doing them or sincerely ask for help from my Father?? The latter of course.

Even well- known men of God struggle with sin. When sin is mentioned, all that comes to mind is fornication, adultery, murder, theft and all. Have we thought about spiritual sins? Believe me, God is quicker to judge those than physical ones. Unbelief? Anxiety? A lot of em.

Finally, His ways are never our ways Isaiah 55:8-9.
1Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Be blessed!

Toks2008:


So in your mind you think i have time for you..smh..i don't indulge in beer parlor arguments.

Kei144:


The issue is not about thinking about how to avoid sins. Spending your life thinking means that one is depending on human power. The real issue is the nature within. You either have a sinful nature (inherited from Adam) or the divine (holy) nature that the Spirit gives. The solution to sin is to receive the divine nature. How does a person receive the divine nature? That is the question that the churches are supposed to be occupied with. Once you receive the divine nature, it becomes impossible for you to commit sin. Instead of the false statement that you commonly hear, that it is impossible for a human being not to sin, the converse is the case for a person that inherits the divine nature; it is impossible for such a person to commit sin.

Highcuerayte:


For clarity purpose, all "Christains"(by christains i mean followers of Christ and not follower of Christainity) are freed from sin at salvation. For sins will no longer have dominion over you.

I don't know about you, but i know of every Christains, they live above sin.

May i say you shed light on this statement " Only those who are filled with all the fullness of God at the time of the rapture will follow in the rapture."

FuckTheMod:

Liar

Who told you he didn't sin


1) oh lord, why have thou forsaken me > He lost hope in God (on the cross according to your bible)


2) He came to the church and was "angered" by people trading in the house of the lord and then, he "kicked" and "scattered" their goods.



In conclusion,

All humans are sinners, JESUS CHRIST WAS ALSO A HUMAN.

Kei144:


Accepting Jesus into your life is not really salvation. Modern day churches preach that salvation is an instantaneous thing, but it is not.

Mt. 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
Mt. 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Mt. 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in [Or into] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt. 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the
age.”

Ph. 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed — not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence — continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
Ph. 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

Baptism into Jesus Christ, which is accepting Jesus into your life, is just the gate, the beginning. After you enter the gate, you then travel on the narrow road that leads to eternal life.

Lk. 13:22 Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem.
Lk. 13:23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?” He said to them,
Lk. 13:24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.
Lk. 13:25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, `Sir, open the door for us.’ “But he will answer, `I don’t know you or where you come from.’

kepstone:
Sir, I am a Pastor, and what you wrote or posted is heyressy. I will not and never teach this nonsense to my church. U are not spiritually matured yet bro or whoever u are. U have not understand bthe concept of SIN. Time will not permit me to elucidate more on this, cos I see u don't know homiletics ( law of scripture interpretation). Please just ask God to to forgive u for this s trash you posted, cos this is not the HolySpirit speaking through you. 2tim2:19-22, 1thesss4:3-4, Gal 5:19-21. There are many scriptures that talks about purity, Holiness and much more. Please don't derail people with this. God did not save you to keep you in sin, and for you to keep on wallowing in sin. If a pig falls into the mud it wallows, but if a sheep falls into a mud it cries out for help because its not in the nature of the sheep to wallow in d mud. No matter how you sin and how you fall, or make mistake, never endorse sin, cos sin is not the nature of a believer. But when a beliver consciously sin.... Does he think grace will abound. If many will run with this as believers they will end up in HELL FIRE. So please correct yourself and go and study your bible well before you come out to the public to tell people about the bible you did not authored.

Isaacmacdon:
evry1 z entitled 2 their opinions.. Ur understanding z lacking buh i pray u get insight frm d great teacher himself.

Kei144:


Accepting Jesus into your life is not really salvation. Modern day churches preach that salvation is an instantaneous thing, but it is not.

Mt. 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
Mt. 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Mt. 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in [Or into] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt. 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the
age.”

Ph. 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed — not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence — continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
Ph. 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

Baptism into Jesus Christ, which is accepting Jesus into your life, is just the gate, the beginning. After you enter the gate, you then travel on the narrow road that leads to eternal life.

Lk. 13:22 Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem.
Lk. 13:23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?” He said to them,
Lk. 13:24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.
Lk. 13:25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, `Sir, open the door for us.’ “But he will answer, `I don’t know you or where you come from.’

sportsmaster:


If a christian goes to HELL,
then God Lied in His promises and Jesus did not die for any Sin .
But scriptures has it GOD cannot LIE and Jesus died for the Sins of the Whole world.
If Jesus paid for my Sins,then why would my Sins be charged against me..
What you should teach people as a Pastor is SPIRITUAL GROWTH and the assurance of their salvation.
Not HELL.

Highcuerayte:
That is why i said Nigerians understanding of the world salvation is wrong.

Salvation simply put is getting you recreated to do more good than wrong. As you walk with Christ in Faith you begin to see the possibility of doing good always. Salvation is all about moral perfection.

vislabraye:


So in other words, Jesus sinned ? Hmmm

kepstone:
Sir, I am a Pastor, and what you wrote or posted is heyressy. I will not and never teach this nonsense to my church. U are not spiritually matured yet bro or whoever u are. U have not understand bthe concept of SIN. Time will not permit me to elucidate more on this, cos I see u don't know homiletics ( law of scripture interpretation). Please just ask God to to forgive u for this s trash you posted, cos this is not the HolySpirit speaking through you. 2tim2:19-22, 1thesss4:3-4, Gal 5:19-21. There are many scriptures that talks about purity, Holiness and much more. Please don't derail people with this. God did not save you to keep you in sin, and for you to keep on wallowing in sin. If a pig falls into the mud it wallows, but if a sheep falls into a mud it cries out for help because its not in the nature of the sheep to wallow in d mud. No matter how you sin and how you fall, or make mistake, never endorse sin, cos sin is not the nature of a believer. But when a beliver consciously sin.... Does he think grace will abound. If many will run with this as believers they will end up in HELL FIRE. So please correct yourself and go and study your bible well before you come out to the public to tell people about the bible you did not authored.

Ohamzee:
Yeah. u must be 100% righteous. The bible says that no sinner (not the worst sinner) shall enter into the kingdom of God.

ebeneade:


Believing in Jesus who died for ur sins makes u righteous, it is not bout what u do or what u don't do but it is all about what Jesus did on the cross, a believer is 100% righteous, it all depends on the percentage of ur consciousness of this fact

otiigba1:
in other words just believe, do not worry about your behaviour right? Go out and commit murder! As long as you belive in jesus, you are okay! Just wondering o!