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Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by damilarelr(m): 4:34pm On Dec 27, 2015
Toks2008:


My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.(1 John 2:1)

I am positive you understand the role of an advocate. While we pay cash in the world for an advocate to stand in our place over a dispute or bargain,with christ,we go on our kneels and pray to GOD using his name as an advocate to achieve forgiveness of our sins..That was why he died.

To him be all the Glory,Honor,Power and Majesty forever and ever..AMEN!

@Toks2008, I quite understand that verse you quoted. What I need is where confession is necessary..or are you saying our kneeling down and asking for forgiveness is a form of "repayment" of the advocate job Jesus did on our behalf before the Father?

I want you to look at the 1John 2:1 again, it only instructs us not to worry over our mistake because we have an advocate..our elder Brother, God's firstborn...we are to accept Him to stand for us.

Please quote more verses to clarify your point. Thanks.

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Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by HenriFayol(m): 4:39pm On Dec 27, 2015
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Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by HenriFayol(m): 4:43pm On Dec 27, 2015
Toks2008:


My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.(1 John 2:1)

I am positive you understand the role of an advocate. While we pay cash in the world for an advocate to stand in our place over a dispute or bargain,with christ,we go on our kneels and pray to GOD using his name as an advocate to achieve forgiveness of our sins..That was why he died.

To him be all the Glory,Honor,Power and Majesty forever and ever..AMEN!
please I need an invite to your fellowship. Where please? I just need to keep hearing truth as this.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by djeoziv(m): 4:46pm On Dec 27, 2015
true religion is all about the change of human nature by Christ. vividly, how do u react when u talk unguarded. it shows the state of the heart.



finally.... the final check is .....sin shall not have dominion over u if u r really changed. if repent today, run away from everything that can bring u down. its just like u r in nursery one and cannot do some heavy things.... grow in Gods word daily till u can withstand anything. why be in an environment when all u have to do is run or abstain
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Nobody: 5:19pm On Dec 27, 2015
Toks2008:

You just rewrote the article in whole new way so we are on same page.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by chrisja(m): 5:23pm On Dec 27, 2015
Toks2008:
Before any one writes another long story just to agree with me can they answer these questions?

1.Can they be sure that they can live a perfect life without sins?

2.If they fal into sin tomorrow and pray for forgiveness will God forgive them?

3. Ok given the fact that it is a bad nature to crave for sin,does this prevent us from still falling to sins?

Please i want pweople to stop jumping to conclusions and read my write up deeply.

A true believer does not enjoy or plans to sin nevertheless he still finds himself sinning one way or the other so my write up is centered on those who on their own volition give up their salvation because they kept falling back into sins.

This factual piece is to encourage them that they should not give up,that they should realize that the holy spirrit can help them and to make them understand that even if they struggle with sins each day of their lives,there is hope for them,they can still make heaven if they dont give up their salvation because many believers are in hell today not because God rejected them but because they at one time in their lietime willingly declared themselves unfit for the kingdom because they kept falling into one sin or the other.

This truth is what the devil does not want people to know becos it will liberate them.

Being a pastor is a title and its no guaranty that you are an authority in the word.
I do appreciate one with revelation and knowledge. I quite appreciate how u have handled our brethren who read writeup dat throws wat they have come to accept to be true but unscriptural. Rather than ask d right questions, they attack u. Weldone. Let's chat sometime on watsapp... 08036822047..
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Toks2008(m): 5:25pm On Dec 27, 2015
Lovelynature:
Wow! This is great. Toks2008, keep it up. One can make tracks from this to show the world that serving God can be easy and so sweet as well.


Grace and Peace be unto you. SHALOM

Amen
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Toks2008(m): 5:26pm On Dec 27, 2015
chrisja:
I do appreciate one with revelation and knowledge. I quite appreciate how u have handled our brethren who read writeup dat throws wat they have come to accept to be true but unscriptural. Rather than ask d right questions, they attack u. Weldone. Let's chat sometime on watsapp... 08036822047..

ok bro
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Toks2008(m): 5:29pm On Dec 27, 2015
HenriFayol:
please I need an invite to your fellowship. Where please? I just need to keep hearing truth as this.

lol...nairaland online fellowship center
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Toks2008(m): 5:41pm On Dec 27, 2015
StepTwo:
Toks2008 , permssion to copy ur write up pls,i will reference,i promise.

Granted bro
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by StepTwo: 5:43pm On Dec 27, 2015
Toks2008:

Granted bro
Gracias
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Edoblakky(m): 5:53pm On Dec 27, 2015
The OP asked a question if it's possible to live a perfect life without sin.

Well, Jesus said in Matthew 5:48 for us to be perfect as our heavenly father is.
I believe if it wasn't possible, our Lord Jesus would not have asked us to do the impossible.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by tonyx4x44(m): 6:03pm On Dec 27, 2015
walahi English is hard for most nigerians to understand!!

see people on the first page; arguing with the OP and saying the same thing he said cheesy
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Toks2008(m): 6:07pm On Dec 27, 2015
tonyx4x44:
walahi English is hard for most nigerians to understand!!

see people on the first page; arguing with the OP and saying the same thing he said cheesy

Im equally baffled my brother.

Some will even call me funny names and write a very loooong epistle just to coroborate what i wrote and i kinda wonder what exactly is going on.

This is why i dont bother responding to many comments.

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Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by MrDavidson: 6:14pm On Dec 27, 2015
Toks2008:
What you are about to read will change your life forever.

After reading this, you will be filled with indescribable peace that surpasses all human understanding because you will know for sure that you no longer have business with hell but guaranteed a place in paradise.....

The post is somewhat a mixture of truth mixed with some errors. Sorry, I had to check your profile to see whether you seem to live true to what you're advocating and unfortunately, it's in the negative. Your sex-related posts speaks it all. The question is, do you just have this knowledge of the Scriptures or you practice it too? Pls don't see this as a condemnation, but rather as borne out of brotherly love. Have a nice evening.

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Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Toks2008(m): 6:21pm On Dec 27, 2015
MrDavidson:


The post is somewhat a mixture of truth mixed with some errors. Sorry, I had to check your profile to see whether you seem to live true to what you're advocating and unfortunately, it's in the negative. Your sex-related posts speaks it all. The question is, do you just have this knowledge of the Scriptures or you practice it too? Pls don't see this as a condemnation, but rather as borne out of brotherly love. Have a nice evening.

NEXT COMMENT PLEASE.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Nobody: 6:31pm On Dec 27, 2015
[color=#990000][/color] Remember Matt. 5:48, we must strive after holiness. No sin goes unpunished if it is wilful.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by ebeneade(m): 6:40pm On Dec 27, 2015
mrphysics:


oga you don't understand the Scripture. you and the op need to understand Bible, the basis of it. I have invited him even u now, add me on whatsap through my public number 07063774377 let's open the Bible page by page

Christians shouldn't argue bout the word but I pray for a tremendous increase in revelation knowledge for u nd everyone
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by sammade: 6:56pm On Dec 27, 2015
Toks2008:

Op I admire this write op as you are on point and then for this supporting comment I would have loved it so much if u had put "cooperation" in capital letter and deep black. [color=#990000][/color]
Yes believers can end up in the deepest part of hell if they voluntarily give up their salvation through self condemnation simply because some pastors preach heresy that until we are 100% perfect in our of ways of life towards GOD's words,we will never make heaven.

When i gave my life to Christ in 1988, as a young lad,i always believed that once you are saved you will never sin again and infact if you commit any sin then it means you are no longer born again and each time i sin i see myself as a failure and even people around me were like watch dogs and they will quickly use words like "see o,see the person that calls himself born again doing this or that"

And when they call for alter call in any gathering i attend, i will come out again because once i fall into sin, i consider myself out of the faith.

I have had friends WHO VOLUNTARILY GAVE UP THEIR SALVATION because they saw themselves taking up the same habits they were suppose to do away with after they gave their life to christ.

This awesome holy ghost inspired write up is to let every struggling believer out there know that it is not their duty to overcome sins but that of the holy spirit.

Its to let every believer struggling with any form of sinful act that you may give your life to christ today but the act of perfection is the duty of the holy spirit with your cooperation and if you let the holy spirit do his work, these sinful acts you think you can't do away with will be a thing of the past.

This write up is to let believers understand that GOD will never forsake them no matter how many times they fall into sins but they must never enjoy sinful acts or look forward to sinning but nevertheless,in the process of trying to get better and better,they must never ever give up their salvation due to repetitive sins. This is the essence of the write up and is not aimed at promoting reckless acts of taking GOD's grace for granted.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by mrphysics(m): 6:58pm On Dec 27, 2015
ebeneade:


Christians shouldn't argue bout the word but I pray for a tremendous increase in revelation knowledge for u nd everyone

you obviously have nothing to say or offer. you and op has decided to lead people to hell to which he is against anyone entering. what a paradox.

I'm yet to hear your comment regarding Rm 3:25.

you don't argue God's word yet you and op are here upholding God's word.

effort wasted, work done zero
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Vikky014(f): 7:07pm On Dec 27, 2015
I actually read this ysterday without commenting. Now am very late

Tok2008 ur write up will help most peopl dt hv condemned themselves to hell to the extent that they dont even visit any church again. i had dis swt looking lodgement dt ws living a very wayward life so i decided to preach to her one certain day. she told me God wunt forgiv her again dt she hv done so many bad things dt is so unpleasant to the ear i made her to understand God forgives any time u acknowledge ur sin jst like she did. to the Glory of God she followed me to church, she strtd visiting my room constantly and her sugar daddies reduced drastically dnt know hw she is doing nw. bt am sure she is a changed soul hw i wish she is a Nairalander atleast this will help her alot
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by ebeneade(m): 7:11pm On Dec 27, 2015
mrphysics:


you obviously have nothing to say or offer. you and op has decided to lead people to hell to which he is against anyone entering. what a paradox.

I'm yet to hear your comment regarding Rm 3:25.

you don't argue God's word yet you and op are here upholding God's word.

effort wasted, work done zero

I don't know why believers are so conscious of hell, the only reason why you won't make to heaven is if you don't believe in Jesus as the son of God who died for every sin both past, present nd future sin nd that God raised him up from the dead.so I can't make to hell as long as I don't apostate. So, the purpose of a believer isn't to make it to heaven but to bring heaven on earth through our righteousness, heaven sure die for everyone who believes in the name of Jesus, let me even ask you, so every sin u commit in the future has no forgiveness because the blood of Jesus is not potent enough to wipe it clean hon?
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Nobody: 7:24pm On Dec 27, 2015
Toks2008:
Before any one writes another long story just to agree with me can they answer these questions?

1.Can they be sure that they can live a perfect life without sins?

2.If they fal into sin tomorrow and pray for forgiveness will God forgive them?

3. Ok given the fact that it is a bad nature to crave for sin,does this prevent us from still falling to sins?

Please i want pweople to stop jumping to conclusions and read my write up deeply.

A true believer does not enjoy or plans to sin nevertheless he still finds himself sinning one way or the other so my write up is centered on those who on their own volition give up their salvation because they kept falling back into sins.

This factual piece is to encourage them that they should not give up,that they should realize that the holy spirrit can help them and to make them understand that even if they struggle with sins each day of their lives,there is hope for them,they can still make heaven if they dont give up their salvation because many believers are in hell today not because God rejected them but because they at one time in their lietime willingly declared themselves unfit for the kingdom because they kept falling into one sin or the other.

This truth is what the devil does not want people to know becos it will liberate them.

Being a pastor is a title and its no guaranty that you are an authority in the word.
the write-up is enlightening.

It Simply states that we can't take the salvation journey with a mere human nature.

Don't mind the socalled guy claiming to be a pastor, he sounds arrogant even in his words.

He should tell us just ONE man who was so perfect without the help of the holy spirit. Even Christ Jesus wouldn't have completed his assignment without the help of the Holy Spirit.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Yinka1808: 7:24pm On Dec 27, 2015
The Bible does nt teach that your pt no 4, no one is burning in hell at present
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by divads(m): 7:28pm On Dec 27, 2015
Toks2008:


Im equally baffled my brother.

Some will even call me funny names and write a very loooong epistle just to coroborate what i wrote and i kinda wonder what exactly is going on.

This is why i dont bother responding to many comments.
Romans 3:25, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God; OP I din't see present or future sins sha, or what version are you using ni?
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by freecocoa(f): 7:54pm On Dec 27, 2015
The level of confusion in religion(especially Christianity) is enough to tell one, it's all a huge joke.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by Mackson01: 8:09pm On Dec 27, 2015
Those are Chris Oyakilome children who preached that masturbation is not a sin. Hell is been populated daily by heretical teachings of once saved eternally saved. Beware! It is an end time teaching from the pit if hell. The spirit expressly says men will gather unto themselves false teachers who will teach them what they want to hear.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by joelison(m): 8:16pm On Dec 27, 2015
kepstone:
Sir, I am a Pastor, and what you wrote or posted is heyressy. I will not and never teach this nonsense to my church. U are not spiritually matured yet bro or whoever u are. U have not understand bthe concept of SIN. Time will not permit me to elucidate more on this, cos I see u don't know homiletics ( law of scripture interpretation). Please just ask God to to forgive u for this s trash you posted, cos this is not the HolySpirit speaking through you. 2tim2:19-22, 1thesss4:3-4, Gal 5:19-21. There are many scriptures that talks about purity, Holiness and much more. Please don't derail people with this. God did not save you to keep you in sin, and for you to keep on wallowing in sin. If a pig falls into the mud it wallows, but if a sheep falls into a mud it cries out for help because its not in the nature of the sheep to wallow in d mud. No matter how you sin and how you fall, or make mistake, never endorse sin, cos sin is not the nature of a believer. But when a beliver consciously sin.... Does he think grace will abound. If many will run with this as believers they will end up in HELL FIRE. So please correct yourself and go and study your bible well before you come out to the public to tell people about the bible you did not authored.

you called yourself a pastor yet you believe God will punish sinners in a burning hell for eternity..........you are an apostle of Satan misleading gullible adherents.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by kessel: 8:47pm On Dec 27, 2015
Wonderful and life transforming write up
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by notjohndoe: 8:47pm On Dec 27, 2015
Edoblakky:
The OP asked a question if it's possible to live a perfect life without sin.

Well, Jesus said in Matthew 5:48 for us to be perfect as our heavenly father is.
I believe if it wasn't possible, our Lord Jesus would not have asked us to do the impossible.

The Bible used the words 'Be ye Holy'. Holy is not perfect, but rather separated. It is a call to distinction from world.
Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by 4dbeta: 9:39pm On Dec 27, 2015
Toks2008:
What you are about to read will change your life forever.

After reading this, you will be filled with indescribable peace that surpasses all human understanding because you will know for sure that you no longer have business with hell but guaranteed a place in paradise.

Some may call it heresy but that is exactly what the devil wants you to believe it is whereas it is the greatest truth GOD wants the world to know and the devil never ever wants the world to know. This is why 99% of pastors will never preach it but would rather preach the need to live a sinless life and in-fact will give us a picture of perfection in acts and thoughts as the only criteria to making heaven.

Read on:

1. Do you know that in the past before Jesus came to pay the permanent price,the Israelis which were a symbolic representation of GOD's people were commanded by GOD to make animal sacrifice for atonement of their sins?

This means whenever they fall into sins or commit sinful acts,once they sacrifice the animal, all these sins are automatically wiped off by GOD.Yes there is a sacrifice for the atonement of all sins and that's done on the Day of Atonement by the High Priest. Interestingly enough, it is a goat and not a lamb that takes the sin of all Israel out of the borders of Israel.(Leviticus 16)

2.The crucifixion of Christ on the wooden cross is a one time symbolic representation of the Animal sin offering on the wooden platform of old meaning it has taken away the sins of yesterday,today and tomorrow once and for all:

Unlike the repeated sacrifices made in the past for the cleansing of sins each year or anytime they sin,the death and resurrection of Christ has cleansed us from the sins of the past,present and that of the future.

Because the blood of bulls and rams can not take away the sins of the world.GOD sent a human lamb to take away the sins of the world.This means as long as you have accepted Christ as lord and Saviour,if you fall into sin,all you ned is to go on your kneels and ask for forgiveness Which can be likened to making animal offering to atone for any sin you commit.(Hebrews 10:4)

3. No matter how hard you try, As human beings, it is impossible to be sinless and GOD knows this.


My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.(1 John 2:1)


4.Many people in hell fire today have no business been there but because they gave up their salvation making conclusions that they are no good for GOD's kingdom.


Giving your life to Christ and living a righteous life sometimes do not come automatically.It takes the work of the Holy spirit to perfect your salvation whereas accepting Jesus as lord as Saviour is a decision.

When i was young i usually get mocked when i do somethings that are not expected of a "Born again" Christian and i would have easily given up way back. This is the case of many people burning in hell today..they voluntarily gave up their salvation because they found themselves doing those things they use to do before they accepted Christ but if only they knew that all they need to do is to fight on and ask the holy spirit to perfect their salvation,they would have been made a better believer by the help of the holy spirit.

The bible says its not by power or by might but by my spirit says the lord.(Zechariah 4:6)


5. Most of the Bible heroes were not righteous by human standard.


The Bible does not attempt to conceal the foibles of the great people that adorn its pages. Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David, etc., were normal human beings. They sinned like all other offspring of Adam who have matured to a level of personal accountability (Romans 3:10, 23). Jesus Christ was the only exception (Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22).

6. Anytime you sin,simply go on your kneels and ask GOD to forgive you in the name of JESUS(A symbol of animal sacrifice Israelis make each time they sin against GOD and you will be automatically forgiven)

This is so interesting yet very mysterious for many people to comprehend that the grace of Christ covers any sin we commit and we can always ask for forgiveness whenever we sin and the sins will be forgiven.

"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God" (Romans 5)

7.GOD never condemns you except you condemn yourself.

Stop condemning yourself friend, 99.9% of believers will battle with one sinful habit or the other till they die.Its about trusting Jesus to forgive them each time they fall into this sinful act but the first step is to accept him as your lord and savior then ask the holy spirit to help you overcome these sinful habits and try your best to allow him.

8.A true believer does not enjoy sinful acts neither plans for it or looks forward to sinning.

Paul asks "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?Absolutely not ! How can we who died to sin still live in it?Or are you unaware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?Therefore we were buried with Him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in a new way of life.(Romans 6:1-4)

He also said “if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins”(Hebrews 10:26)


CONCLUSION: The grace of GOD is not for us to enjoy sinning and continuously ask for forgiveness but its for us to live above the power of sins in our lives.

But if everyone alive today gives their lives to Jesus and hold on to their salvation no matter how hard they struggle with sins. Heaven will be a home for all.


Hope this helps

Well, u have a good message but presented it wrongly. If some baby christians read it d way u presented it, they will see excuses to continue in sin.
A better way to present ur message, would be;
As a christian, if u find urself still falling into sin even when u try to live a holy life, don't give up. Don't think God has forsaken u. He's still with u as long as u don't completely forsake Him. because it's only when u completely forsake Him by giving up, dat He himself will also foorsake u.
So if u find urself in such situation( which is common), all u hav to do, is to ask God for forgiveness and try to do better by praying continously for d guidance of d holy spirit and consistent studying of d word of God. Because d more u know God, d more u want to please Him. And as u continue to do so, u will begin to see a new man in u dat hates sin. And when d wicked one sees dat u are becoming a better person in Christ, he will however, still continue to tempt u even more than before. But don't b afraid. God will give u d grace to continue to overcome him. For we must strive continously to be holy because it is required of us as Christ followers.

Jesus Christ said, ''The disciple is not above his master, but every one that is perfect, shall be as his master'' Luke 6:40

He also told us to ''Strive to enter in at the straight gate. For many will seek to enter in, and shall not be able'' Luke 13:24

Let's pray dat God help us to be stedfast in doing His will.

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Re: 8 Amazing facts about salvation you will not hear in many churches. by mrphysics(m): 10:10pm On Dec 27, 2015
divads:
Romans 3:25, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God; OP I din't see present or future sins sha, or what version are you using ni?

I presented him with same verse of the Scripture, perhaps he has not come across it and he has never responded to it .

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