Ulu45:
my people....If u get a geotech investigation report stating that d soil bearing capacity of d soil is very low (up to a depth of 10m), wat would u use for founding ur structure ? Any and every contribution is welcomed.

10M is about 33ft.

Do a Pile Foundation. That is your best choice and it will give you rest of mind.

30ft is a bit deep (in terms of cost), to excavate otherwise, removing the weak top soils and replacing them with a good, well compressed soil would have done the trick

On the other hand, a Spread Foundation (if you can spread it enough, use strong enough Concrete and if the weight of building wont be too much, can also be used. The idea is to spread the weight of the building, over a large-enough surface, so as to distribute the downward-acting force on the weak soil. Pressure = Force (Weight)/ Unit Area

But mind who you give the Pilling to, there are loads of "amateurs" claiming to be doing Piles, here on Nairaland.
What we see them do is so funny but because it is "inside the ground", the owner does not have means of checking the integrity of such Piles.
What they do is usually non-uniform and not contiguous such that there are cracks/breaks along the Pile lines.
Piles are supposed to be continuous, solid Columns (like a steel Pole) stuck into the ground, on which the building sits.

There are lots of failed Piles leading to bending and cracked buildings all over the place.
By the time owner realizes what is wrong, its usually afew years down the line and too late.

Our Building Contractors here dont have "Builders Insurance" and you cant easily seek redress against them o!

Folks I need your help in getting current prices of the materials listed below. I want to make some furniture and I am paying the artisan Labour only which has been negotiated. He gave me the list of materials below with prices (mushin prices). Note that I am not on ground so I asked one of my friends to follow this artisan to market to price the materials.

Now this is me doing my due diligence by verifying the prices given to me before going ahead. I will appreciate your help folks. Another alternative is to wait till I am on ground which is in a couple of months and price these materials myself but then the work will be delayed.

1. Quarter plywood - N2700 per sheet
2. Tank nail - N1000 per bag
3. Stud - N200 per piece
4. Castor- N4000 per pack
5. Thick 2 inch taping (200 meter) - N20000
6. Evostic - N4000
7. 2 inch foam (25d) - N10500 per sheet
8. HDF - N12800 per board
9. 2 by 12 by 12 wood (mahogany)- N450 per piece
10. 1 by 12 by 12 wood (mahogany) - N2500
10. 1 by 12 by 12 wood (ogbus) - N1700 per piece
11. 4 inch foam (25d) - N21000 per sheet
12. 6 inch foam (36d) - N12300 per sheet
13. 2 inch fiber- N3000 per sheet
14. Leather - N1500 per yard
15. Half inch foam (22d) - N2200 per sheet
16. Polish - N6500 per gallon
17. Thinner - N3500 per gallon
18. Sanding siller - N4000 per gallon.
20. Teru N350 per yard.

alstacs:


My observations in this discussion is simple.
There must be a standard.
Irrespective of quality of job promised or done, there must be a standard. There must be a range of fees to be charged from the very cheap to the normal rates to the very expensive ones. Although there may be outliers, the price range can and should serve as a guide. Fees cannot and shouldn't just be left at the mercy of the worker. So what is the standard of plastering interior wall? Or exterior wall ground floor, exterior wall upper floors etc? There is and should be an amount per surface area that could be used as reference or pivot for negotiation instead of the arbitrariness I noticed here. Imagine how it feels if we say there is no reference cost for moulding of 9 inches blocks for instance.
Even workmanship fixing of tiles on the floor gets billed per square metre etc..
Now imagine, what we are indirectly implying from the present discussion is that we may not even hold government accountable if they claim they are trying to build a block of classrooms for example. How would we know they inflated the price if there is no reference range for plastering for instance? .
I am a novice in this business, Pls anyone with professional experience may guide us.

That is exactly what we are saying!
If there is a STANDARD RATE, that will serve as a basis for negotiation and both Client and COntractor can then engage in bargaining, putting into consideration, any peculiar nature of the job at hand.

But such difference, after negotiation, should not be too far from the standard rate.
Ofcourse, this would not allow the Contractor, who is more experienced, to cheat the Client, who is just a novice to such negotiation.

I dont see any Contractor, smiling at me right now!

Excuzeme:


That is exactly what we are saying!
If there is a STANDARD RATE, that will serve as a basis for negotiation and both Client and COntractor can then engage in bargaining, putting into consideration, any peculiar nature of the job at hand.

But such difference, after negotiation, should not be too far from the standard rate.
Ofcourse, this would not allow the Contractor, who is more experienced, to cheat the Client, who is just a novice to such negotiation.

I dont see any Contractor, smiling at me right now!

You are absolutely right. The issue of standard has been a bone of contention between my site engineer and I. His submission is that not all jobs can be subjected to standard rates. I totally disagree with that. For instance when I wanted to do the concrete work of my septic tank and soak away. I estimated the volume myself (from the form work completed by the carpenter). Based on the volume calculated I applied the standard rate for pouring cubic Meter of concrete to negotiate my payment with the mason.

My advise to whoever want to start a building project is that arm yourself with some.basic rates and how to apply them to the scope of work you are paying for. Basic rates for block moulding, iron bending work, tiling , concrete work, carpentry work, POP work.

If you are confused or ignorant of some pricing as I am right now with the current prices of furniture making materials, come here and ask. People will be more than willing to at least give you an idea of market rate for labour or prices of materials.

You will be saving yourself a lot of hard earned cash.

adewaleID:
Hey my people, I noticed we do not have any recommended carpenter for roofing on NL.

Kolashangone?

princejones

adewaleID:
Hey my people, I noticed we do not have any recommended carpenter for roofing on NL.

Excuzeme:


At the bolded:
This is exactly what we have been saying.
Even if the price charged is going to vary (to cater for 'my workmanship is from outer-space'), the variation should not be too much.

Your Scaffolding was done for #20,000, mine was done for #30,000 (l can understand the stress the guy went through though).
Total plastering (Labour) was #600K plus a #50K dash to show appreciation to the Bricklayer, so its still within the margin of error.

Now, this guy's own is running to over #1.2 Million..... for a building of about the same size (4 flats)

But l am sure that eventually, a time will come when we will have this "pricing index" (like the Tilers who generally have a fixed pricing index ( + or - say 5%) and not withstanding your claims of being the best Tiler in the worls, your price will stillfall within that range.
Bricklayers also have the same principle - a day's work ranges between #3,000 and #3,500, depending on location.

The only people that want us to believe this is impossible are the "Big Guns" Contractors.
To some of then, fairness to everyone involved is not acceptable .... they can fix any price that they like and the Client should either pay or f-off afteral, they cant get a better builder in Nigeria.

My brother likely stole over 59 bags of cements

Walls plastering---It was done November 2016--Edo state
Bags 295 of cement @ 2200----------------N649,000
labor Per flat-----@ 60,000---------------N240,000
parapet plastering-------------------------N85,0000
ceiling downstairs-------------------------N80,000
Out plastering----------------------------N120,000
stairway- front and back--------------------N40,000
sharp sand---------------11 trips-----------N165,000
Cut the rods---------------------------------N50,000
breaking the wall concrete-----------------------N50,000
finish up maintenance---- holes wall-----N16,000
I am very unhappy with the total bags of cements
I bought 175,
Brother bought 120 for the outside walls, stairways and one flat
Art man use some of the cements
Carpenter Scaffolding work maintenance--------------N36,000 or less not just for plastering but Artman

My brother likely stole over 59 bags of cements
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thanks for d contibution my people

diordaves:


I noticed lately that people are getting stingy with pictures on this forum. Why is this relevant to your question? Because just one picture will tell a thousand story and facts. So if somebody said they have plastered a four flat for 1.2m labour only, let them post the pix, even if na small peek as four flat different from four flat by design and then size.

But I will try to help so see pix below. Though the project is not a four flat but it's a four flat design for six flats. This is currently on going but I did the plastering BEFORE the dollar wahahala. I did everything (labour only) for just a bit above N500k. Now you've been quoted N1.2m for labour, so mind you, by the time you factor in materials, it will be close to N3m which is way too much. I have included my spreadsheet to give you an idea of the full cost which includes scaffolding. In the breakdown notice the price of cement and compare to today's price then you will know what you are up against. The project is in Warri, but please note that Warri is not cheap. The plastering was completed for ₦ 1,094,250.00, I have figures also for four flats in Lagos and Ibadan, none was plastered for more than N600k. So about N3m to plaster a four flat means you are not on top of your build. You certainly can do better.

PLASTERING

Scaffolding labour 20,000.00 (build and transfer)
Scaffolding Planks 25,000.00
40 Bags of Cement @ 1500 -60,000.00
20 Bags of Cement @ 1950 39,000.00
20 Bags of Cement @ 1950 39,000.00
15 Bags of Cement @ 1950 29,250.00
20 Bags of Cement @ 1950 39,000.00
15 Bags of Cement @ 1950 29,250.00
5 Bags of Cement @ 1950 9,750.00
20 Bags of Cement @ 1950 39,000.00
18 Bags of Cement @ 2000 36,000.00
8 Trips of Sharp Sand @ 11,000 88,000.00
4 Trips of Plaster Sand 36,000.00
Decking Workmanship 90,000.00
Plastering of Rooms Workmanship 300,000.00
Plastering of Outside Walls Workmanship 140,000.00
Miscellaneous 75,000.00
TOTAL ₦ 1,094,250.00

My brother likely stole over 59 bags of cements

Walls plastering---It was done November 2016--Edo state
Bags 295 of cement @ 2200----------------N649,000
labor Per flat-----@ 60,000---------------N240,000
parapet plastering-------------------------N85,0000
ceiling downstairs-------------------------N80,000
Out plastering----------------------------N120,000
stairway- front and back--------------------N40,000
sharp sand---------------11 trips-----------N165,000
Cut the rods---------------------------------N50,000
breaking the wall concrete-----------------------N50,000
finish up maintenance---- holes wall-----N16,000
I am very unhappy with the total bags of cements
I bought 175,
Brother bought 120 for the outside walls, stairways and one flat
Art man use some of the cements
Carpenter Scaffolding work maintenance--------------N36,000 or less not just for plastering but Artman

My brother likely stole over 59 bags of cements

looking at the cost for plastering four flat the labour cost for diordaves and Good faith are very close
The number of sand too total diordaves 12 total sand and goodfaith 11 total sand

Four Flat
Electrical
Decking conduit labor and material-----------------------------N55,000
electrical conduit
Materials--& --Pipe------------------------------------------N135,000.00
Labor-----------------pipe-----------------------------------N45,000.00
made some change material & labor------------N38,000 added one more wall outlet to each room ( each room now have three)

Wire Goldstar
Wire
Wiring---------materials---& labor------------------------------N325,000
Wire Goldstar

My brother and a contractor wanted 880,000
wire they said 700,00
labor 180,00
I will not pay more 60,000 for wiring

ChijiokeBen:
I am planning on a project of fencing a plot of land at Anambra State. After which I will be putting In place an design for 2 bedroom and living room flat of four unit to one decking and roofing.
I have little ideals about building and construction.
At first I am planning on this August to start up with the fencing. So I made some estimates
8 Trip of sand @ 10000-80000
2 trip of fine sand @ 10000- 20000
5 trip of stones @20000-100000
10 bag of cement@3100- 310000
Iron rod@ - 250000
Workers or labour fee @- 150000
Miscellaneous @ 50000

This is what I have prepared so far, if any one could help me out here, I will appreciate.

I will also like to know for a trip of sand and bags of cement, how many blocks it can produce ?

A bag of cement is sold for 2700 in Awka.
A bag of cement will produce 30- 35 blocks.

Good luck in your endeavor.

Labor in Awka is something else o!. I will advice, if you have the time, try and be there.

GoodFaith:
Four Flat
Electrical

electrical conduit
Materials--& --Pipe-----------------N135,000.00
Labor-----------------pipe----------N45,000.00
made some change material & labor----N38,000 added one more wall outlet to each room ( each room now have three)

Wire Goldstar
Wire
Wiring---------materials---& labor--------N325,000
Wire Goldstar

My brother and a contractor wanted 880,000
wire they said 700,00
labor 180,00
I will not pay more 60,000 for wiring

nawaoo
where is this site?

twinskenny:


nawaoo
where is this site?

Benin city

Germany floor to decking level March 2016
Rod---
Rod for the pillars from Germany floor to decking level
pillars/lintel/beam
16mm 71 rod
12mm 71 rod
8mm 32 rod
total for rod N266,400.000
I will tell you my brother likely toke 50,000

Decking
Two flat down three bedroom each
April 2016
16mm rod--------60 at N1750----------N105,000.00
12mm rod-----400--at N900--------N360,000 or N315,000.00
8mm rod-------60----at--N700------------N 45,000
Cement---200--------at--N1550-----------N310,000
add cements--------5 bag--at---1700-----N8,000
Granite --60 tone-----------------------N310,000
Sand------------------------------------N60,000.00
Binding wire-----2----------------------N 10,500
-----------------------------------------N 0000
2------------------------------ at 250---N 00000
Decking casting------------------------N125,000
Iron bender---- -----------------------N110,000
bamboo----------------------------------N 36,000
Carpenter------------------------------N120,000
Electrcian------------------------------N55,000
wood------used-------------------------N130,000.00
wood------------used--------------------N130,000
wood------------------------------------N230,00
General exp-----------------------------N80,000
nails, transportation,hose, engineer,
Total about 2.2 Million

The wood , cements and Labor-- my brother likely have 300,000.00
My brother wanted 1,00- for 12mm rod
Had granite left over for the top level work
The number of cements used my brother must add to it
wood was war my brother did is best to get as more as possible because he didn't buy the rod and cemets

parapet -- four flat two up and two down three bedroom each--June 2016

carpenter----------------------------N115,000--- I am sure my brother had 20k
Wood-------------------------------N173,000********* Other war brother likely took 30K
-100 bamboo @ 150 = N15,000.00
-Sawing wood @ 70 = N15,000.00,
--nail 2 bags N1500
-I think, I paid N20 more per sawing
Transport 6,000, loading 3,000
brother was unable to take from rod, he had to match iron bender price
Iron bender-----------------------------N50,000-- my brother said 70k
Rod----------------
12mm 30 rod --N1,330--------------------N40,000
Left over 5 12mm total use 35 for parapet
brother need to account for 10 12mm rod---(N13,300)
stated he bought 40 rod 12mm, we found 30
10mm 40 rod---N1050-----------------N42,250
8mm 80 rod---N700-------------------N56,000
banding-wire-------------------------N6,000
Casting------------------------------N55,000
cements-----60 bags at N1600---------N96,000
granite and sand-----------------------N85,000------- I think he got me for 35K
carpenter to remove wood from parapet N10,500.00

Bought 80 bags of cements, Have 20 bags left

Total----N716,000.00

Roofing cost N1.9 million --
wood ----------------------------N 500,000

nails-----------------------------N 15,000
Roof belt--------------------------N 2000
I have nails left before (two)half bags
Metcoppo tiles----.55-----------N1,184,000
Carpenter-wood--work 12feet-----N 120,000
Metcoppo tile labor------------N 88,000
transport, materials
Other stuff---------------------N 50,000
Total cost N1,950,000
kick my brother out

Main Entrance Doors iron-- August 2016
Main Entrance into the flat 4@-41,000--1 at 31,000----N195,000.00
Doors---------8---iron--@--18,000---N144,000.00
4 doors upstairs from staircase- two at fron and two at back
One door from kitchen for each flat total four
Main Entrance to Staircase 2 -@--20,000---N40,000.00

Total for entrance doors N383,000

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Door frames-- bought one of the best wood in the market
bought wood-----N130,000
carpenter labor for each door Frame- N500---total N18,000

at N3500 each total doors 34

Total 170,000.00

Windows---Nov 2016
Casement windows @ N,000.00
Total-------44 windows--------------N950,000.00

Get your original Block for your building Project from us today

We use the following to make the our blocks

Sharp sand, granite dust and plaster sand

Our prices are very competitive

6inches 230

9inches. 250

We supply anywhere in Lagos.

Our Blocks Are In compliance of Lagos State Building Requirement.

Call Kaylord Enterprise on 07061960316

Tombrook0:
Get your original Block for your building Project from us today

We use the following to make the our blocks

Sharp sand, granite dust and plaster sand

Our prices are very competitive

6inches 230

9inches. 250

We supply anywhere in Lagos.

Our Blocks Are In compliance of Lagos State Building Requirement.

Call Kaylord Enterprise on 07061960316

does mixture of granite dust & sharp sand makes blocks stronger?

what is the advantage of plaster sand in blockmaking sir?

Pls has anyone tried to get a building plan approval in Anambra state recently. I want to have an estimate of the cost to get an approval for a five bedroom bungalow
I don't mind knowing the procedure to get the documentation done. Thanks.

GoodFaith:
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My brother and a contractor wanted 880,000
wire they said 700,00

I will tell you my brother likely toke 50,000

The number of cements used my brother must add to it
wood was war my brother did is best to get as more as possible because he didn't buy the rod and cements

kick my brother out

Wetin?!

Are you sure he is really your Brother, or just a mistake from the Maternity Hospital!

Anyway, l personally dont allow "family" to supervise my builds, for the simple reason that "I dont want to tempt them because if they get tempted and STEAL my things, then my hands will be tied"

.... unlike if it were a non-relation whom l can deal with, at my pleasure.

Thank God you survived that your Brother.

Excuzeme:



Wetin?!

Are you sure he is really your Brother, or just a mistake from the Maternity Hospital!

Anyway, l personally dont allow "family" to supervise my builds, for the simple reason that "I dont want to tempt them because if they get tempted and STEAL my things, then my hands will be tied"

.... unlike if it were a non-relation whom l can deal with, at my pleasure.

Thank God you survived that your Brother.

Involving family and Friends in building construction is the worst thing someone will do(though we still have some faithful ones)
They will want to eat you dry and u won't be able to do anything. Most times I tell my clients to leave out family and friend in their build(mainly supplies and money) but some won't agree until they deal with them.

segzy14:


Involving family and Friends in building construction is the worst thing someone will do(though we still have some faithful ones)
They will want to eat you dry and u won't be able to do anything. Most times I tell my clients to leave out family and friend in their build(mainly supplies and money) but some won't agree until they deal with them.

There is no hard and fast rule about it.
Sometimes, it is the family that cheats you.
Sometimes, it is the Contractor that cheats you
Sometimes, it is both of them that conspire together to cheat you.

Once you cant put your eyes and presence in your own job, expect to be cheated.

But who do you prefer, to cheat you? Contractor or Family or both?

Tombrook0:
Get your original Block for your building Project from us today

We use the following to make the our blocks

Sharp sand, granite dust and plaster sand

Our prices are very competitive

6inches 230

9inches. 250

We supply anywhere in Lagos.

Our Blocks Are In compliance of Lagos State Building Requirement.

Call Kaylord Enterprise on 07061960316

If I may ask, what is Lagos state building requirements?

same question i will like to ask also Sir

myobjective:


If I may ask, what is Lagos state building requirements?

Master19:



A bag of cement is sold for 2700 in Awka.
A bag of cement will produce 30- 35 blocks.

Good luck in your endeavor.

Labor in Awka is something else o!. I will advice, if you have the time, try and be there.

Thanks, not really in Awka. At ihala
Well for now just the fencing before going into planning for the design and building.

Can anyone kindly advise on an average quality roofing sheet for a 1 storey building please

Can anyone kindly advise on an average quality roofing sheet for a 1 storey building please... its a building intended for rental purposes , not very keen on using the best quality sheets in the market