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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rabcnesbit: 2:24pm On Dec 07
Daboomb:


This would be difficult to assist in that the type of Tiles they would buy for you, cannot be defined here.
Better you go to Orile and buy the Tiles yourself! You can decide on the QUALITY you want and price it properly.

- 100 bags of Cement? That might not be a bad figure, depending on the method used, which is also determined by how level the original floors/walls are!
_ The Square/meter will almost certainly be INFLATED a bit but that is not a problem, as long as you can monitor and ensure that your Tiles are not put in the boot of their van and driven-off!

The labour looks high a bit but that too is also not a problem.
First agree on HOW MUCh you will pay for every Square-Meter of area Tiled. Mine was #350/Square meter
Then allow them to finish ALL THE TILE works.
You then have to take your Tiler around and MEASURE the Area covered with tiles. (Na so l do with my Tiler, though its a tough work and requires a "sharp mind" otherwise, magomago will enter. grin grin ).

Multiply area tiled (in square meters) b the amount agreed initially, to arrive at how much to pay for labour.
Though l dont know the size of your building or where and you will extend the Tiles to (liek under staircase, All balcony, some on wall of fence, e.t.c) so it is gonna be difficult to say whether you are being cheated or not.

At the end of the day, based on what we agreed, l apid and we were both happy but if not for that method, l would have paid at least 40% more, based on the "I do all" quote th Tiler and others first gave me. undecided undecided

If you want to save money, be ready tosacrifice your time and energy.
*** There is an adroid App that calculates almost ANYTHING for you automatically, just slot-in the values and it will pour out the result for you***
No matter what, if l do this work assuming it is my own build l will still save no less than 300-400K. undecided

Hope this little helps

Sir thank you very much. Your advice is most appreciated. What is this andriod app you talk about? In terms of quality (durability) of tiles, are Nigerian made tiles okay, as I am guessing they will be cheaper than imported. I am not one of this people that believe that anything imported is always better than the local made products. Some so called imported goods are cheap inferior stuff from China etc! Thank you
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ice4u999: 2:25pm On Dec 07
bixton:

The builder supervises all workmen on site.
The civil engineer supervises the builder.
The architect supervises the civil engineer.


Then why not negotiate with the architect during the drawing stage to supervise the entire job but also have a builder on the side to mobilize the work team. That is what I have also done. I made my architect was always present during every structural work.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by true2home(m): 2:33pm On Dec 07
Honestly, the topic of supervision on site is the work of a PE( Project Engineer) and his team of inspectors. That's my job!!!. I do have a Civil Engineering degree but not needed to do this job.

The Civil Engineers designs the structural components
The Architect designs the functionality and aesthetics of the building
The Builder/Contractor does the construction.

Then, the client appoints PE and his inspectors to do the supervision PERIOD!!!
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 2:41pm On Dec 07
ice4u999:


Then why not negotiate with the architect during the drawing stage to supervise the entire job but also have a builder on the side to mobilize the work team. That is what I have also done. I made my architect was always present during every structural work.

My previous post was about how it ought to be.
On a personal level......I go the engineering way and only in few instances I sought out an architect for his own perspective.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 2:47pm On Dec 07
true2home:
Honestly, the topic of supervision on site is the work of a PE( Project Engineer) and his team of inspectors. That's my job!!!. I do have a Civil Engineering degree but not needed to do this job.

The Civil Engineers designs the structural components
The Architect designs the functionality and aesthetics of the building
The Builder/Contractor does the construction.

Then, the client appoints PE and his inspectors to do the supervision PERIOD!!!
Are you running an advert?
Where did you get your certification as a PE?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by true2home(m): 2:53pm On Dec 07
Sorry Sir, I don't do advert. Just to corroborate the point that I was sharing. PE certificate is issued by the state of Maryland.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Truthinlife: 9:39pm On Dec 07
Daboomb:


Let us assume wood is MDF. Let us also assume soemthing exactly like this.

Maximum, 2 Boards, #6,000 each (l paid #5,500 though, due to very large quantity l bought) = 12K (One board is sized 4ft x 8ft)
Hinges, Handles, Screws, Tapes, Gum, in small quantities = 6K
Roller for Drawers (2sets) = 4K
machine Cutting = #500/Board = #1,000
Labour = one day job (max) =4K

Total = #27,000
This maximum price to pay for one small wardrobe like this, especially if you are doing more than one, the price should basically reduce (Economics of Scale).
I just did a whole house of 6flats where l bought all materials myself ..so l am current with prices.

Caveat: What you pay also depends on your power of negotiation
Thanks everyone,
I will seek the services of someone else willing to do it at affordable price with quality materials as well. If you have any samples to share, pls feel free to let me know ( pm) or any other means that will not violate the thread rules (Aba, Owerri, Umuahia, Port Harcourt) areas.
I appreciate.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 9:39pm On Dec 07
My family is about to move into a newly built house, my major problem is getting the tiling clean of all the cement stains and other construction stains.

I know there is a tile cleaning chemical and know where to buy. I dont know how to use it or how to know the best quality chemical.

Please, anyone with experience on tile cleaning chemical and its use should help a brother. Professional cleaners are not available in my location and will be expensive to transport from out of town.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 9:59pm On Dec 07
bixton:

The builder supervises all workmen on site.
The civil engineer supervises the builder.
The architect supervises the civil engineer.


A builder is same as a contractor so he builds quite agreed.

The civil engineer checks for his design adherence.

The architect does the same as the civil engineer, makes sure his design and measurements are followed.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 10:13pm On Dec 07
Rubbiish:

Yeah....U are right
But this is more like the hierarchy of the building team though, of which the architect is the head. But in reality, it is difficult to get these three professions concurrently on site, u may spend more on supervision dan the money for d building. Lol...Except for govt & major projects.

A civil/structural engineer signs an undertaking. I have not heard where an architect or builder signs anything as such.

An engineer who values his career must supervise the construction either himself or by his trusted employee.

My point is if the civil engr signs responsibility for the structural integrity of the structure, how is the architect his boss? The truth is the engr is his own man and takes responsibility of his own design and also the construction.

It is only an assumed responsibility that the architect is the overall boss on a site.

In a proper building construction site, client is the boss. The arch, engr and builder have their responsibilities separated and one is not boss over the other. They all share ideas to bring reality into the client's wishes.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kingreign: 10:14pm On Dec 07
adanny01:
My family is about to move into a newly built house, my major problem is getting the tiling clean of all the cement stains and other construction stains.

I know there is a tile cleaning chemical and know where to buy. I dont know how to use it or how to know the best quality chemical.

Please, anyone with experience on tile cleaning chemical and its use should help a brother. Professional cleaners are not available in my location and will be expensive to transport from out of town.

Get acid, dilute it, a bit, use appropriate safety gears. Apply to the tiles to 'eat up' foreign matters.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 10:20pm On Dec 07
kingreign:


Get acid, dilute it, a bit, use appropriate safety gears. Apply to the tiles to 'eat up' foreign matters.

Normal battery acid? H2SO4?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kingreign: 11:06pm On Dec 07
adanny01:


Normal battery acid? H2SO4?

Guys well by building materials and tiles know the acid. Its whitish sha
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 11:14pm On Dec 07
adanny01:


A builder is same as a contractor so he builds quite agreed.

The civil engineer checks for his design adherence.

The architect does the same as the civil engineer, makes sure his design and measurements are followed.

By the books in lay man's terms
Any thing that looks like a storey building then the civil engineer will have to check on any area where rods will be placed according to specifications on the designs.

The architect is more of aesthetics of the structure going according to what is revealed on his perspective.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rubbiish(m): 11:25pm On Dec 07
adanny01:


A civil/structural engineer signs an undertaking. I have not heard where an architect or builder signs anything as such.

An engineer who values his career must supervise the construction either himself or by his trusted employee.

My point is if the civil engr signs responsibility for the structural integrity of the structure, how is the architect his boss? The truth is the engr is his own man and takes responsibility of his own design and also the construction.

It is only an assumed responsibility that the architect is the overall boss on a site.

In a proper building construction site, client is the boss. The arch, engr and builder have their responsibilities separated and one is not boss over the other. They all share ideas to bring reality into the client's wishes.
Was expecting this. Lol
Saying the architect surpervise the civil engr. doesn't mean he is going to be doing the civil engr job, but to ensure the civil engr goes with specification & doesn't alter his design due to structural challenges.
We saw what the architect did during d burj al arab hotel construction, so many things weren't possible with the structural engr initially, but with the insistence of the architect, they achieved it enventually. That is the kind of supervision i was talking about, not doing the engr job for him.

The architect is the head of the building team stem from the mother to baby thing, without the architect idea & thinking, what will the engr or builder work on? They conceive the idea, they start the process, birth the design, thereafter all other professionals come in. It doesn't always go down well with other professionals. But it is the truth when it comes to building.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rubbiish(m): 11:28pm On Dec 07
adanny01:


Normal battery acid? H2SO4?
Buy from people who sell tiles
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kopell: 2:04am On Dec 08
gbadexy:

white portland cement can be used to give white finish like pop screeding.
cement can also be mixed with the regular colored emulsion to give it the color on screeding.
I'm surprised to be reading all this story about these master paint maker, as if he is new. With the incredible vast knowledge of paint making. Anyway, most people with unquestionable ethics, and professional integrity don't make noise here. I now understand, when your other customer recommend you as unquestionable integrity professional. Why all this long story, with the quality and quantity of paint this gentle man has produced for me. My satisfaction of his product, he didn't even mentioned it on this forum to attract other potential costumers. My agreements with him was not to post it, which he did not. One can now see how professional he is. You can now post that amazing golden mix combination you made for one of the living room only.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 4:03am On Dec 08
Rubbiish:

Was expecting this. Lol
Saying the architect surpervise the civil engr. doesn't mean he is going to be doing the civil engr job, but to ensure the civil engr goes with specification & doesn't alter his design due to structural challenges.
We saw what the architect did during d burj al arab hotel construction, so many things weren't possible with the structural engr initially, but with the insistence of the architect, they achieved it enventually. That is the kind of supervision i was talking about, not doing the engr job for him.

The architect is the head of the building team stem from the mother to baby thing, without the architect idea & thinking, what will the engr or builder work on? They conceive the idea, they start the process, birth the design, thereafter all other professionals come in. It doesn't always go down well with other professionals. But it is the truth when it comes to building.

That is not supervision. During structural design, the engr must keep a close relationship with the architect to harmonize the architectural and structural designs. This happens in cases like Burg el Arab like you mentioned. The structural core of the building takes space, the architect must provide space in his design without altering the concept of the architect. With this point, they work together to achieve a unique design that would satisfy both professions.

In the case of burg el Arab, the structural engineer was not a staff but an independent company with a team of engrs contracted to design the building. Who would you say was the boss?

Let me add that, during structural design, the structural engr does not alter the architectural design and does inform the architect if he has to. It is in the interest of the architectural design that the structural engr works so he preserves that interest as best as he can be allowed to by principle of structural design.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by skimanski(m): 6:39am On Dec 08
Daboomb:


HDF is #12,000 each at Mushin, maximum!
He cant use more than 2 boards for that wardrobe.
That thing is not more than 8ft and 4ft in width.
The back can be done with Plywood, 1/4 inch.
Maximum on wood (even with HDF) wont be more than 30K.
So with HDF, the wardrobe should not more than 40-45K each


As much as you might want your estimate to be correct, your estimate is wrong.

you need 1 HDF for the Side boards because its cut into 2 piece of 2ft each for left and right side board. You need one HDF for front Side boards, with some peices out of it for the Top and Bottom board. You need one HDF for inner Partitions and Drawers Boards so thats 3 Boards Making it 36k.

You need angle Bracket 1k5 making it 37k5
You need Screw 1k5 making it 39k
You need Edges Tape About 2k. Making it 41k
You need Hinges for doors about 1k5. Making it N42k5
You need Drawer Runner. 1k5 a pair which is 3k. Making is N45k5
You need You need back board one piece 3k for the back. Making it N48k5
You need Edges Tape like 3k. Making it 51k5
You need Handles, 800 a pair. with 4 = N3k2. making it N54k7
You need Ephostic Bond/Glue Let stay 2k2 Making it N57k
You need Hanger Pole N3k Making it N60k
Then lets allow 5k for transport of Materials from Anywhere to site. It could be more if Mushin is Far off from the site. This makes it N65k
What is left for Labour?


As much as we want some things to just be as cheap as we would have loved. they will remain the prices they are. But if OP can negotiate to 75k, no problem.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rubbiish(m): 7:26am On Dec 08
adanny01:


That is not supervision. During structural design, the engr must keep a close relationship with the architect to harmonize the architectural and structural designs. This happens in cases like Burg el Arab like you mentioned. The structural core of the building takes space, the architect must provide space in his design without altering the concept of the architect. With this point, they work together to achieve a unique design that would satisfy both professions.

In the case of burg el Arab, the structural engineer was not a staff but an independent company with a team of engrs contracted to design the building. Who would you say was the boss?

Let me add that, during structural design, the structural engr does not alter the architectural design and does inform the architect if he has to. It is in the interest of the architectural design that the structural engr works so he preserves that interest as best as he can be allowed to by principle of structural design.
@bold You are digressing & getting sentimental sir
I am not arguing whether the engr is indepedent or not, my point is regardless of independence, the structural engr must inform the architect & needs his approval before making any change that may alter the form of the building, maybe due to structural challenges. & if the architect fails to approve, he is forced to work it out. & the architect must be on ground to ensure the engr. doesn't make any change, that was what happened in the case of burj arab. U think if not for the architect that building will look like that? The engr being an indepedent contract didn't stop him from saying the cantilever helipad wasn't achievable, but which they eventually achieve because of the architect. But the architect need no approval from anyone before carrying out his design. He may consult any of the professionals, same way he may carry out case studies of similar designs, but he doesn't need approval from them.

It is not about who is boss, the bricklayer is a boss on his own field & can be contracted independently. My point is the ordely arrangement of the building construction process. The architect first before every other profession. If i wanna build today, i am going to contact the architect first.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 12:22pm On Dec 08
kopell:
I'm surprised to be reading all this story about these master paint maker, as if he is new. With the incredible vast knowledge of paint making. Anyway, most people with unquestionable ethics, and professional integrity don't make noise here. I now understand, when your other customer recommend you as unquestionable integrity professional. Why all this long story, with the quality and quantity of paint this gentle man has produced for me. My satisfaction of his product, he didn't even mentioned it on this forum to attract other potential costumers. My agreements with him was not to post it, which he did not. One can now see how professional he is. You can now post that amazing golden mix combination you made for one of the living room only.
Thank you very much sir. I know this moniker but never linked it to you.
The general finishing is one of my favorite that I used it for my whatsapp dp.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 12:24pm On Dec 08
Rubbiish:

@bold You are digressing & getting sentimental sir
I am not arguing whether the engr is indepedent or not, my point is regardless of independence, the structural engr must inform the architect & needs his approval before making any change that may alter the form of the building, maybe due to structural challenges. & if the architect fails to approve, he is forced to work it out. & the architect must be on ground to ensure the engr. doesn't make any change, that was what happened in the case of burj arab. U think if not for the architect that building will look like that? The engr being an indepedent contract didn't stop him from saying the cantilever helipad wasn't achievable, but which they eventually achieve because of the architect. But the architect need no approval from anyone before carrying out his design. He may consult any of the professionals, same way he may carry out case studies of similar designs, but he doesn't need approval from them.

It is not about who is boss, the bricklayer is a boss on his own field & can be contracted independently. My point is the ordely arrangement of the building construction process. The architect first before every other profession. If i wanna build today, i am going to contact the architect first.

I dont think you get my point. Yes am a civil engineer, as per designs, no one is my boss. If i am contracted by an architect to carry out a design, no architect supervises, vets nor approves me. An architect submits his whole design to me and after the design is submitted to him, he checks to see if i have altered his design. Dont forget, its my name, seal and signature that is on the drawing not the architect's. I submit drawings signed and sealed. Any change he wants must carry my seal. So he is not my boss.

Do you know a lot of engineering firms refused the design of burg el arab and some of them among the best in the world, even better than the one that made the design. The architect nominated to engineers for the job but they all declined.

A good engineer chooses his jobs and does not take the architectural design whole line and sinker. My reputation is worth more than one architects contract sum.

Lastly, contractually, i have to perform structural design that is completely symmetrical to the architectural design. It cant be different. I only consult the architect to reconsider his design when i have the opinion that limits me to certify my design safe. That limit also includes my knowledge, so i dont seal what i cant vouch for. It is also not my job to alter architectural plans because they are sealed by the architect. We both have to work together and reach a compromise. A compromise was reached several times in the design of burg el arab. Left to the architect, he wants to build a superstructure without a foundation. Bring that design and i tell you i wont touch it. I wish you good luck amd walk away. Am sure alot of engineers will do same but one day, someone will defy the law of physics and achieve the feat.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 1:21pm On Dec 08
gbadexy:

Thank you very much sir. I know this moniker but never linked it to you.
The general finishing is one of my favorite that I used it for my whatsapp dp.

I must say it's a good combination of colors. Kudos!

Hajji M.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kopell: 2:15pm On Dec 08
gbadexy:

Thank you very much sir. I know this moniker but never linked it to you.
The general finishing is one of my favorite that I used it for my whatsapp dp.
Hunnn, is someone else parading your job as his? I’ll like to know whom these moniker is, pls forward it to me.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 2:38pm On Dec 08
skimanski:



As much as you might want your estimate to be correct, your estimate is wrong.

you need 1 HDF for the Side boards because its cut into 2 piece of 2ft each for left and right side board. You need one HDF for front Side boards, with some peices out of it for the Top and Bottom board. You need one HDF for inner Partitions and Drawers Boards so thats 3 Boards Making it 36k.

You need angle Bracket 1k5 making it 37k5
You need Screw 1k5 making it 39k
You need Edges Tape About 2k. Making it 41k
You need Hinges for doors about 1k5. Making it N42k5
You need Drawer Runner. 1k5 a pair which is 3k. Making is N45k5
You need You need back board one piece 3k for the back. Making it N48k5
You need Edges Tape like 3k. Making it 51k5
You need Handles, 800 a pair. with 4 = N3k2. making it N54k7
You need Ephostic Bond/Glue Let stay 2k2 Making it N57k
You need Hanger Pole N3k Making it N60k
Then lets allow 5k for transport of Materials from Anywhere to site. It could be more if Mushin is Far off from the site. This makes it N65k
What is left for Labour?


As much as we want some things to just be as cheap as we would have loved. they will remain the prices they are. But if OP can negotiate to 75k, no problem.

How many different edges tape does he need?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 3:14pm On Dec 08
kopell:
Hunnn, is someone else parading your job as his? I’ll like to know whom these moniker is, pls forward it to me.
No sir. I meant I didn't know this was your nairaland moniker until you made reference to your project.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 3:15pm On Dec 08
mufutau55:


I must say it's a good combination of colors. Kudos!

Hajji M.
thank you sir.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rubbiish(m): 3:27pm On Dec 08
adanny01:


I dont think you get my point. Yes am a civil engineer, as per designs, no one is my boss. If i am contracted by an architect to carry out a design, no architect supervises, vets nor approves me. An architect submits his whole design to me and after the design is submitted to him, he checks to see if i have altered his design. Dont forget, its my name, seal and signature that is on the drawing not the architect's. I submit drawings signed and sealed. Any change he wants must carry my seal. So he is not my boss.

Do you know a lot of engineering firms refused the design of burg el arab and some of them among the best in the world, even better than the one that made the design. The architect nominated to engineers for the job but they all declined.

A good engineer chooses his jobs and does not take the architectural design whole line and sinker. My reputation is worth more than one architects contract sum.

Lastly, contractually, i have to perform structural design that is completely symmetrical to the architectural design. It cant be different. I only consult the architect to reconsider his design when i have the opinion that limits me to certify my design safe. That limit also includes my knowledge, so i dont seal what i cant vouch for. It is also not my job to alter architectural plans because they are sealed by the architect. We both have to work together and reach a compromise. A compromise was reached several times in the design of burg el arab. Left to the architect, he wants to build a superstructure without a foundation. Bring that design and i tell you i wont touch it. I wish you good luck amd walk away. Am sure alot of engineers will do same but one day, someone will defy the law of physics and achieve the feat.
@bold u for first tell me nau cheesy
I thought i was arguing with a non professional like me

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 4:58pm On Dec 08
gbadexy:

thank you sir.

Was nice meeting you today chief
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 7:32pm On Dec 08
twinskenny:


Was nice meeting you today chief
it was my pleasure boss cheesy
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kopell: 7:55pm On Dec 08
gbadexy:

No sir. I meant I didn't know this was your nairaland moniker until you made reference to your project.
I love ❤️ to keep it low, oh no its was finally reveled to you. Anyway the bubble don bust to you be that oh. It is all well.

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