AlBaqir:


"He assumed the authority of all what He created" is the meaning we gave to Istawa al

Fundamentalist:


You see where your so called batiniya knowledge took you, so there was a time Allah was not in authority(aothobillah) ?

Sometimes you people inteprete Istawa as istawla meaning He conquered, meaning He took it from someone (subhana llah)?

The more you people give more interpretation the more you get things complicated for yourselves and off course more confused and at end of the day you make unnecessary statements?

My advice is for you to recount your ways, interpreting the Qur'an using human interllect is wrong. Just take the way it is

AlBaqir:
Sino, vedaxcool, Aareonakakanfo, Fundamentalist, dekatrons, barbstee and ofcourse Empiree. I invite you to read how Salafiyyun's deceptions and falsifications is exposed on the issue "Where Is Allah?" Below is a web-page of an Ahlu Sunnah.
http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=53

Empiree:
@ Fundamentalist, how old are you brother?. Now, leave everything alone for a second. Kindly use your God-given wisdom...is there anything wrong with highlighted statement below by Albaqir?


"He assumed the authority of all what He created"





Do you have problem with this statement?. Did you read the link he posted at all?

Fundamentalist:


Too much kids on nairaland these days

Empiree:
Answer the question @above. That's all.

Fundamentalist:


I believe you belong to the indomie generation, your statements lacks merit.

MrOlai:


Shia and their Taqiyya! May Allah(SWT) in His mercy purify their hearts. May He(SWT) guide them to the true teachings of the Prophet(SAW). May Allah(SWT) guide the Muslims all over the world from their fitnah (Amin).

Sino, vedaxcool, Aareonakakanfo, Fundamentalist, Empiree and other Muslims out there, don't mind the website Albaqir presented! The website www.ahlus-sunna.com is actually a Shia website camouflaging as Ahlus-sunnah wal jama'a website! Can you imagine that! To know the truth about this, just glance through the contents of the website! That is the extent Shia can go to mislead unsuspecting muslims into Shi'ism!

Ahlus-sunnah wal jama'a have their separate website. It is not www.ahlus-sunna.com! So, let's be careful about what we read online especially the so-called Islamic websites! May Allah(SWT) continue to guide us aright(Amin).

Empiree:

As for Mrolai, you pretty much did not refute albaqir because website link you provided does not work. It's not available even though they are identical. Albaqir's link works. Yours doesnt. How then you want to convince us that his website is bogus?. So far you brought no convincing evidence. Again, i read everything in the link provided by Albaqir. Guys, dont be lazy. Go through it and give your thought.

MrOlai:


This is the website of Ahlus-sunna wal jama'a: http://ahlusunnahwaljamaah.com/

[quote author=Empiree:
^^Brothers, i think we need to look past "sectarianism" and focus on the message. We first all must see ourselves as muslims. The reason you brothers dont take albaqir seriously is because he's Shia.

AlBaqir:

We (Shia) have over many centuries after the demise of the holy prophet (saws) presented our 12 Imams as being successor of the holy prophet, it is alarming that Ahl Sunna wal Jama'a (past or present) have NEVER reach any conclusion as who were those 12 as many of their Khalifas were monsters, murderers, adulterers and devil incarnates.

MrOlai:


Really, our unity as Muslims is very important. However, we need to be very careful! We should not accommodate or encourage what is not part of Islam under the guise of unity especially those that would take a person out of Islam. I'm not really referring to this thread. I'm referring to dangerous Shi'a concepts.

Take for instance, On Bestiality, the Prophet(SAW) said:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill the animal along with him!" This shows the prohibition of Bestiality in Islam.

Just look at fatwa from Shia scholar:
"Sex with animals before the mission (Islam) was wide spread and many narrations are narrated that it is halal but makrooh (disliked). And on the compulsory precaution one should abandon this practice that may cause self harm. And you must admit this to the owner of the sheep and pay the owner.
Sex with animals Fatwa
al-Uzma Seyyid Ali al-Sistan

Can you imagine that! Subhanallah! This is just the tip of an iceberg about Shia ideology.

Unity is really very important in Islam. However, this should not be at the expense of the teachings of the Prophet (SAW).

Empiree:

Besides, if i understood the quote you posted up there, (kindly re-read it again). He simple said it's forbiden and harmful. He didnt say it's lawful. Correct me if I am wrong.

Empiree:
Well, I went back to your first post and read it again. The way it's worded indicates the man speaking is 2nd person singular referring to incident or event. But your last post is clear enough indicating direct order to sleep with animal. In that case it's wrong. That's my position unless otherwise.
That however, still does not in anyway make them less Muslims. We have muslims who are not shia but see nothing wrong being gay, see nothing wrong consuming alcohol and fornication etc.
In Saudi Arabia, they have crazy fatwa many muslims do not agree with. They have what they called "misyar" the so called "traveller's marriage" which many Muslims including Shia consider legalizing adultery or fornication. Does that make Saudi Ulama less muslims?. It does not make them less muslims. They only get punished for it. It does not warrant division.
If I was to go by same standard you used to polarize shia, on Saudi's 'misyar', they are simply as well guilty. Our understanding is if Allah makes something haram no one dares makes it halal. If anyone does that he becomes a kafir, isn't?. So "misyar" to some muslims is like legalizing adultery and fornication. Misyar is not sunnah. It's innovation. Bestiality is haram.
Below they tried to justify misyar yet they claim "mulkiyamin" no longer exist. Who is fooling who?http://www.islamawareness.net/Marriage/Misyar/fatwa_01.html
As far as I am concern, sunni/shia are jealous of each other. They have got problems that we can not solve ever. The former accuse the later of xzy while blamer herself does the very same thing.

MrOlai:


May Allah(SWT) guide us all aright(Amin).

Empiree:
Well, I went back to your first post and read it again. The way it's worded indicates the man speaking is 2nd person singular referring to incident or event. But your last post is clear enough indicating direct order to sleep with animal. In that case it's wrong. That's my position unless otherwise.

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Empiree:
You see, dear brother, this is really minor issue as nasty as it sounds. It does not take anyone outside the fold of islam. We can simply compare this to a Gay muslim. A gay muslim is not a kufar. The only sin that Allah guarantees eternal Hell is SHIRK.

Besides, if i understood the quote you posted up there, (kindly re-read it again). He simple said it's forbiden and harmful. He didnt say it's lawful. Correct me if I am wrong. He said "many narrations" considered it permissible before islam but mukruh. It doesnt say it's Shia's narrations. Besides, this is not even about Shia. A website I came across couple of months ago, despite agreeing it haram and bad habit to have intercourse with animal, it disagrees on the death penalty by using its own logic proven from another hadith. I am telling you brothers, Islam is bigger than what you think.

AlBaqir:


Empire.e, it seems you've violate this ayah below, may Allah forgive you and me, brother:

O you who believe! if an evil-doer comes to you with a report, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then be sorry for what you have done.

Tahrir wasila of Imam Khomeini is on the internet to read or download in any format you want. Why don't you verify first before you pass judgment of "that's wrong"! A fasiq will always quote out of context.

AlBaqir:
@MrOlai, I find it useless and unworthy to reply every accusation you guys made. May Allah forgive you all. I thought this should be an intellectual discourse but unfortunately the discussion is going real wild with no sense of human decency. However, just for the record, i have NEVER labeled Sunni first 3 khalifah (Abu Bakar, Umar and Uthman) as Murderers, adulterers, devil-incarnate as you want people to believe. Only ignorants accept what fool spread around. No wonder Quran advice the believers to verify news brought by the wicked {surah Hujurat}. Truly I have a lot of issues with them but I can never labeled them what they did not commit. You would have prove your point should you post the link where you culled my statement from so that people could see the context clearly.
The discussion was on the twelve khalifas that prophet ordered the believers to follow after him. And my point was, "who were those 12 khalifas?" Shia presented its own but Sunni never did. In fact they don't even know them. Sunni have more than 12 khalifas upon which many were murderers, adulterers, devil-incarnate. Sunni's Khilafah ended in the Ottoman Empiree of the 19th century.
[size=28pt]I beg for justice where Al-baqir ever accused Abu Bakar, Umar and Uthman as MrOlai want innocent people to believe. You dare not quote my post where Imam Muslim in his Sahih documented that 'Ali and Abbas thought Abu Bakar, Umar and Uthman to be Liar, traitor and treacherous. While this is a quote from your beloved book, I have never made such a daunting claim![/size]
Lastly, the website I posted is never a Shii web-page. If you are sure it is, kindly prove me wrong. A lazy, dogmatic and fanatical being will continue looking for silly excuses. This is a public forum where millions viewer read more than you can ever imagine. Don't treat this forum as your daddy's rest room mister.
Like you always did, you've made mess of this thread already and your alias shall forever remain in the mind of the intellectuals. WA Salam alaykum.

AlBaqir:

Empiree, it seems you've violate this ayah below, may Allah forgive you and me, brother:
O you who believe! if an evil-doer comes to you with a report, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then be sorry for what you have done.
Tahrir wasila of Imam Khomeini is on the internet to read or download in any format you want. Why don't you verify first before you pass judgment of "that's wrong"! A fasiq will always quote out of context.

AlBaqir:

Ma Allah bless you brother with this reply to MrOlai. You can easily discern the level of his comprehension. Very difficult to discuss with. However, what does all that got to do with the topic of discussion? Derailing and mud-slinging, that's MrOlai middle name. He has NEVER engage in an intellectual discussion before on NL Islam forum.

MrOlai:

Really, our unity as Muslims is very important. However, we need to be very careful! We should not accommodate or encourage what is not part of Islam under the guise of unity especially those that would take a person out of Islam. I'm not really referring to this thread. I'm referring to dangerous Shi'a concepts.
Take for instance, On Bestiality, the Prophet(SAW) said:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill the animal along with him!" This shows the prohibition of Bestiality in Islam.
Just look at fatwa from Shia scholar:
"Sex with animals before the mission (Islam) was wide spread and many narrations are narrated that it is halal but makrooh (disliked). And on the compulsory precaution one should abandon this practice that may cause self harm. And you must admit this to the owner of the sheep and pay the owner.
Sex with animals Fatwa
al-Uzma Seyyid Ali al-Sistan

AlBaqir:
@MrOlai, I find it useless and unworthy to reply every accusation you guys made. May Allah forgive you all. I thought this should be an intellectual discourse but unfortunately the discussion is going real wild with no sense of human decency. However, just for the record, i have NEVER labeled Sunni first 3 khalifah (Abu Bakar, Umar and Uthman) as Murderers, adulterers, devil-incarnate as you want people to believe. Only ignorants accept what fool spread around. No wonder Quran advice the believers to verify news brought by the wicked {surah Hujurat}. Truly I have a lot of issues with them but I can never labeled them what they did not commit. You would have prove your point should you post the link where you culled my statement from so that people could see the context clearly.
The discussion was on the twelve khalifas that prophet ordered the believers to follow after him. And my point was, "who were those 12 khalifas?" Shia presented its own but Sunni never did. In fact they don't even know them. Sunni have more than 12 khalifas upon which many were murderers, adulterers, devil-incarnate. Sunni's Khilafah ended in the Ottoman Empiree of the 19th century.
[size=28pt]I beg for justice where Al-baqir ever accused Abu Bakar, Umar and Uthman as MrOlai want innocent people to believe. You dare not quote my post where Imam Muslim in his Sahih documented that 'Ali and Abbas thought Abu Bakar, Umar and Uthman to be Liar, traitor and treacherous. While this is a quote from your beloved book, I have never made such a daunting claim![/size]
Lastly, the website I posted is never a Shii web-page. If you are sure it is, kindly prove me wrong. A lazy, dogmatic and fanatical being will continue looking for silly excuses. This is a public forum where millions viewer read more than you can ever imagine. Don't treat this forum as your daddy's rest room mister.
Like you always did, you've made mess of this thread already and your alias shall forever remain in the mind of the intellectuals. WA Salam alaykum.

AlBaqir:
@golpen,
Yes I have a big problem with them, dear brother. I need answers because I just can't reconcile sahaba, accusing my beloved prophet a derailed, prevented him from writing his will on his death-bed that would have saved u from perdition,doubting his prophethood, ran away from war and left him(a.s) with his enemies, killed his family yet being promised al-jannah despite Allah saying: "if you raise your voice or abuse prophet...your deeds will be void", Allah frown and will punish those who ran away and left the prophet in war, etc.
As for me, if I follow those sahaba footsteps, then am doomed but if I follow the righteous among them, then success is mine. They are all examples for us and the choice is ours on who to follow.

abuhubaidah:
all tijaniyyat do believe that you earn more reward when reciting solatul fatih than observing the obligatory solat.

abuhubaidah:
arguing with you is a waste of time.......

Empiree:
This man gave beautiful, simple answer using Quran. Where is Allah?. Quran answers the question. What's even interesting is that to ask "where is Allah" is in itself inappropriate. It doesn't befit Muslims to ask. And the question itself doesn't appear to be aqeeda issue either according to this Sheik.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8dAJ2JmB_Y

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