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Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by SporaD8: 10:38am On Sep 05, 2015
Am disappointed with all u peeps that assume the Muslim conversion is genuine.
In 10yrs time, Germany will regret their decision to take in those refugee(infiltration things).
This just remind me of how the Spartans gain entrance into the fortified wall of troy through a supposed peace symbol.

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Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by Nobody: 11:23am On Sep 05, 2015
Face the reality. Prophecy is being fulfilled. Islam will fall. From Nigeria to Saudi Arabia to Yemen to Iran, Islam is breathing its last breath. It can't be reversed. This event, the implosion of Islam, must precede Rapture. No one can fight it....the Spirit of GOD is moving to fulfill this irreversible prophecy.

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Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by minifuworld: 5:57pm On Sep 05, 2015
PastorOsamede:
Face the reality. Prophecy is being fulfilled. Islam will fall. From Nigeria to Saudi Arabia to Yemen to Iran, Islam is breathing its last breath. It can't be reversed. This event, the implosion of Islam, must precede Rapture. No one can fight it....the Spirit of GOD is moving to fulfill this irreversible prophecy.
Islam will fall and christianity the region of st. Paul will remain insn't it? because its a know fact that christianity never found by jesus christ and he never practice christianity
Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by flaminReed: 6:23pm On Sep 05, 2015
minifuworld:
Islam will fall and christianity the region of st. Paul will remain insn't it? because its a know fact that christianity never found by jesus christ and he never practice christianity
I pray to be more dangerous than Paul.. To pose a quadriplegic danger to the world.. The potency of righteousness and pungent faith in Jesus Christ our Lord is an all-time volcanic ecocide that results in a clandestine overthrow of false faith and the revolutionary enthronement of true godliness via Jesus Christ our Lord
... Paul is one of the most beautiful saints of old, in fact, he only might rival the old testament saints in comparative loyalties to God.. I love his articles- rich, witty, sharp, piercing, controversial and inspired.. Satan never liked Paul, and no disciple of Jesus intending to see Jesus relegates Paul's epistles to the second grade.. His courage, forthrightness and comprehensively visionary leadership have been too unwieldy a spiritual combo for evil persons throughout all ages

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Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by knowledgeable: 6:50pm On Sep 05, 2015
kropotkin2:
At a Berlin church, Muslim refugees converting in droves


BERLIN (AP) — Mohammed Ali Zonoobi bends his head as the priest pours holy water over his black hair. "Will you break away from Satan and his evil deeds?" pastor Gottfried Martens asks the Iranian refugee. "Will you break away from Islam?"

"Yes," Zonoobi fervently replies. Spreading his hands in blessing, Martens then baptizes the man "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost."

Mohammed is now Martin — no longer Muslim, but Christian.

Zonoobi, a carpenter from the Iranian city of Shiraz, arrived in Germany with his wife and two children five months ago. He is one of hundreds of mostly Iranian and Afghan asylum seekers who have converted to Christianity at the evangelical Trinity Church in a leafy Berlin neighborhood.

Like Zonoobi, most say true belief prompted their embrace of Christianity. But there's no overlooking the fact that the decision will also greatly boost their chances of winning asylum by allowing them to claim they would face persecution if sent home.

Martens recognizes that some convert in order to improve their chances of staying in Germany — but for the pastor motivation is unimportant. Many, he said, are so taken by the Christian message that it changes their lives. And he estimates that only about 10 percent of converts do not return to church after christening.
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Iranian asylum-seeker Vesam Heydari stands in front …
Iranian asylum-seeker Vesam Heydari stands in front of the Trinity Church in Berlin, Germany, Aug. 1 …

"I know there are — again and again — people coming here because they have some kind of hope regarding their asylum," Martens said. "I am inviting them to join us because I know that whoever comes here will not be left unchanged."

Being Christian alone does not help an applicant, and Chancellor Angela Merkel went out of her way this week to reiterate that Islam "belongs in Germany." But in Afghanistan and Iran, for example, conversion to Christianity by a Muslim could be punished by death or imprisonment, and it is therefore unlikely that Germany would deport converted Iranian and Afghan refugees back home.

None will openly admit to converting in order to help their asylum chances. To do so could result in rejection of their asylum bid and deportation as Christian converts. Several candidates for baptism at Martens' church would not give their names out of fear of repercussions for their families back home.

Most said their decision was based on belief, but one young Iranian woman said she was convinced most people had joined the church only to improve their chances for asylum.

Congregation member Vesam Heydari initially applied for asylum in Norway and converted there in 2009. But his case was rejected because the Norwegian authorities did not believe he would be persecuted as a Christian in Iran, so he moved to Germany to seek refugee status here — and is awaiting a decision. He criticized many of the other Iranian church members, saying they were making it much harder for "real, persecuted Christians" like himself to get approved for asylum.
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Iranian asylum-seeker Aref Movasaq Rodsari stands in …
Iranian asylum-seeker Aref Movasaq Rodsari stands in the Trinity Church in Berlin, Germany, Aug. 13, …

"The majority of Iranians here are not converting out of belief," Heydari said. "They only want to stay in Germany."

Meanwhile, as other churches across Germany struggle with dwindling numbers of believers, Martens has seen his congregation swell from 150 just two years to more than 600 parishioners now — with a seemingly unending flow of new refugees finding the way to his congregation. Some come from cities as far away as Rostock on the Baltic Sea, having found out by word-of-mouth that Martens not only baptizes Muslims after a three-month "crash course" in Christianity, but also helps them with asylum pleas.

Other Christian communities across Germany, among them Lutheran churches in Hannover and the Rhineland, have also reported growing numbers of Iranians converting to Christendom. There are no exact numbers on how many Muslims have converted in Germany in recent years — and they are a tiny minority compared to the country's overall 4 million Muslims. But at least for Berlin, Martens describes the number of conversions as nothing short of a "miracle." And he says he has at least another 80 people — mostly refugees from Iran and a few Afghans — waiting to be baptized.

Germany is witnessing an unprecedented surge of asylum-seekers this year, with the number of migrants expected to reach 800,000 this year, a fourfold increase on last year.

Many of the new arrivals come from Muslim countries such as Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan. While refugees from civil-war-torn Syria will almost definitely be receiving asylum status, the situation is more complicated for asylum seekers from Iran or Afghanistan, which are seen as more stable. In recent years, roughly 40-50 percent from those two countries have been allowed to stay in the country, with many of those getting only temporary permission to remain.
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An Iranian asylum-seeker wearing a Christian shirt waits to be baptized in the Trinity Church in Ber …

Germany's Federal Office for Migration and Refugees said it does not comment on the reasons individual applicants give when they apply for asylum, or on how many people receive refugee status in Germany based on religious persecution.

Zonoobi, who dressed all in white for his baptism on Sunday, said he had attended secret religious services in Iran ever since friends introduced him to the Bible at age 18. He decided to flee to Germany after several Christian friends were arrested for practicing their religion.

For Zonoobi and his wife Afsaneh — who since her baptism goes by the name of Katarina — the christening marks a new beginning.

"Now we are free and can be ourselves," she said. "Most important, I am so happy that our children will have a good future here and can get a good education in Germany."


Just youtube Islam is dieing. Since the rise of Isis, people in their droves are converting to Christianity or becoming atheists from such countries like Iraq, Libya, Syria Iran and etc. My question is, with bokoharam in Nigeria , will more northern population convert to Christianity or is it the other way around??. (

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Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by gists: 7:16pm On Sep 05, 2015
What is disturbing about the news?
People cross-carpet every freaking minute around the world.

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Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by Samunique(m): 7:44pm On Sep 05, 2015
KINGSAMURAI:
how is accepting JESUS CHRIST WHOM HAVE BEEN GIVEN ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND EARTH seems disturbing?
Yes very very disturbing to the Islamists and their bloody God tongue

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Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by jerryunit48: 8:22pm On Sep 05, 2015
sademola:
Very 'clever' to get asylum!
No they will probably get the asylum anyway, they probably have seen the bad side of the other religion you never know

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Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by Nobody: 9:26pm On Sep 05, 2015
allahu yaweh akbar.

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Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by Nobody: 9:56pm On Sep 05, 2015
Samunique:
Yes very very disturbing to the Islamists and their bloody God tongue
christianity has alot more blood on its hands than any other religion you know.
Re: Very Disturbing News From Germany by drss(m): 11:12pm On Sep 05, 2015
europeans should watch their backs o! Dis people can never be trusted.

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