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What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:28am On Sep 18, 2015 |
What does it mean to be a born again Christian? How can I become a born again Christian? http://www.gotquestions.org/born-again.html |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by acenazt: 11:30am On Sep 18, 2015 |
It is when you attend every Church function and program,believe all the pastor says and not think for your self 3 Likes |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by minifuworld: 11:39am On Sep 18, 2015 |
keep commandment of God |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by Jozzy4: 12:08pm On Sep 18, 2015 |
This is the problem with fanatics , if everybody become a born again and go to heaven , does that not clearly spell psalm 37: 9-11 and matt 5:5 as a lie ? Can God lie ? Why promise a " New Earth" if everbody will be ressurected to heaven ? |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by btoks: 12:33pm On Sep 18, 2015 |
Receiving God's transforming grace via water and spirit(to be baptised). 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:37pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
acenazt: Do you really think for yourself?
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by MuttleyLaff: 1:48pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
Jozzy4:Biblical rear-view mirror will fix this problem and eliminate blind spots such as these Jozzy4:No it doesnt because Heaven is a necessary honeymoon, a trip to return back from, come down, back to earth to Jozzy4:No, because God is loyal to the truth, He cant lie. Jozzy4:Answer to this, is same with the honeymoon response given above 1 Like |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by MuttleyLaff: 2:42pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:I've in the Bible read about being born again The Bible tells how one is or when one is born from above but I am yet to read about be born again Christian (i.e. born again with a Christian appendage) Can I have where Christian is explicitly mentioned in the born again verse(s) please? OLAADEGBU:Same way, one tongue in cheek becomes a born again Negro/Nigger Christian? Can I have the three occurrences where Christian is explicitly mentioned in the Bible and the etymology of the word? Also did the early believers or Apostles explicitly called themselves Christians? |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by Jozzy4: 2:47pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: This honeymoon theory is a lie . " because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call , with an arch angels voice and with Gods trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first 17 . After ward we the living who are surviving will , together with them , be caught away to meet the Lord in the air ; and thus we will always be with the Lord " 1the 4:16,17 They will meet the Lord in the air and WILL ALWAYS BE WITH HIM . Unless you wanna tell me Jesus will also come down to earth ? 1 Like |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by MuttleyLaff: 3:05pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
Jozzy4:As you like it, but it still wont stop this Bridegroom from take His bride on a honeymoon Jozzy4:You need to go on a speed/crash course, to learn on how to, on all levels, understandably read the Bible Compare 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 ''always be with the Lord'' with Matthew 28:20's ''I am with you always'' Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age." - Matthew 28:20 |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:15pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: I know using the words born again and Christian in the sentence is tautology but it is sometimes necessary so as to drive home the clearness of the meaning. MuttleyLaff: I hope the scriptures below will satisfy your curiosity. "Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf" (1 Peter 4:16). "And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. and it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch" (Acts 11:26). "Then Agrippa said to Paul, You almost persuade me to be a Christian. And Paul said, I would to God, that not only you, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds" (Acts 26:28-29). The term "Christian" was originally applied to the disciples of Christ and this means "learners" of Christ, which soon became an object of derision and persecution. Those who are ashamed to be called a Christian are not worthy to be called disciples of Christ. Hence Peter's admonition. |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by Jozzy4: 3:53pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: That comparison is faulty , because the context is talking about different things . we ( christian caught to heaven ) will always be with the Lord . Its very clear that it means they will always be with Jesus in heaven . John 14:3 " also , If I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you Home to myself, [size=25] so that where I am you also may be " [/size] Note the underlined . 1 Like |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by MuttleyLaff: 3:58pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:Well I can argue the same with using negro or nigger too, like the way vooks usually at times likes to do OLAADEGBU:You know asking for the verses wasnt for my benefit and that it was for all, to see the context and read how the 3 Christian words, in the Bible, were used. OLAADEGBU:Does ''Christian'' really MEAN ''learner'' or it means ''follower''? You conveniently or absent mindedly didnt respond to whether the early believers or Apostles explicitly called themselves Christians? OLAADEGBU:Did you notice Paul response to Aggrippa? Did you notice Paul stopped short of using Aggrippa's "Christian" adjective and instead opted to use ''I would to God that not only you but also all who hear me this day might become such as I am'' Jesus asked the disciples: ''Who do people say I am?'' After the disciples gave all manner of answers, He zeroed in. ''But what about you?'' He asked. ''Who do you say I am?'' Here is I, taking a leaf from Jesus, now too, asking, not what do people call you, or what others say you are but am asking: OLAADEGBU, who do you say you are? OLAADEGBU:This isnt an admonition but more of a morale build up Believers at that time were being inundated with persecutions and sufferings of all sorts. On top, morale was getting low so Peter was building up or boosting morale when he penned that letter Peter effectively was saying, if you suffer as an object of derision, do not be embarrassed or feel guilty (e.g. do not be ashamed when in a mockingly manner you're called or suffer as a christian, an effect, to some extent, similarly to being called a negro/nigger in pre-60s/70s/even today) |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by MuttleyLaff: 4:20pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
Jozzy4:I wont go into the different things aspect however ''christian caught to heaven'' and be forever with God, is the same as with a bride rushing into the arms of the Bridegroom and forever be with Him Jozzy4:I wonder why you neglected reflecting on the bits that preceded the underlined Anyway, this is a classic example of randomly quoting bible verses and not understanding bible verses, the context, the idioms or the prevailing culture of the time behind and surrounding the verses People go away to prepare a place or build a house, so that where they are, their bride may also be |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:36pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Just say that you are eager to call me nigger, don't keep it in the corner of your cheek, spit it out. MuttleyLaff: Anyone who read the verses will know that the word Christians there refers to believers in Christ. MuttleyLaff: What's the difference between "learners" and "followers"? Both refer to the word "disciples" of Christ. MuttleyLaff: There is no doubt that Paul was trying to persuade King Agrippa into becoming a Christian just as he (Paul) was except for the bonds. MuttleyLaff: By the grace of God 'am a Christian. What about you? MuttleyLaff: If you are to use one word to describe the above, what will it be? |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by MuttleyLaff: 6:11pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:I know you're too bright to think this has anything to do with eagerness to call anyone a nigger You mentioned tautology for as necessary so as to drive home the clearness of a meaning, so I replied this can be argued with nigger too If you arent comfy with nigger, why christian, afterall they both have hurtful undertone histories OLAADEGBU:Anyone who read the three verses will know that the word Christians there refers, to believers in Christ with a hurtful/insulting undertones OLAADEGBU:No there are distinctions and furthemore both words do not refer to disciples of Christ First Christian in the context of those three verse has an etymology and meaning different to ''learner'' ''follower'' or ''disciple'' Just as Jesus in the Bible days, had some many followers, so today and now, we have so many people follow Jesus People follow Jesus about for some many and different reasons It is no different today, to the Bible days, where not all followers of Jesus, were disciples or learners. Replying, disciples are followers and/or learners but not all followers are disciples or learners You've again, refrained conveniently from answering back or absent mindedly still not responding to whether or not, the early believers or Apostles explicitly called themselves Christians? OLAADEGBU:Paul was persuading King Agrippa, aiming to have him become just as Paul was except for the bonds and not to become the narrow-minded-dont-mind-looking-death-in-the-face Christian which is according to King Agrippa's understanding of what believers were OLAADEGBU:You really do not know what Christian is, You really do not know the background behind the word You really dont know what the word was all about. Think of the era of usage, think Roman, think of the persecution of believers then, now think Caesar, think those loyalty to Caesar even when facing death, (i.e. Caesariani as that is what the followers of Caesar were called) now compare with believers in the face of adversity. King Agrippa chose his derisive word carefully when he said Paul almost make him a Christian Believers had this unshivering loyalty to Jesus, even to the point of death, Many believers were persecuted by the Romans, suffered burnt at stakes, fed to the lions in Roman Colosseums etcetera but never once renounced or denounced their faith So believers were given the Christian tag then, not as a compliment but with derisive undertones - similar to when calling someone a negro/nigger is not necesarily complimentary but is a slur with intent to insult and/or ridicule OLAADEGBU:If you must know, am the son of the Most High God That is why Christ did not honor himself by assuming he could become High Priest. No, he was chosen by God, who said to him, "You are my Son. Today I have become your Father." - Hebrews 5:5 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: - John 1:12 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God - Romans 8:14 OLAADEGBU:Morale-boosting |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:06pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: No they don't. MuttleyLaff: Not necessarily. MuttleyLaff: Let's go back to where the word "Christian" was first used: "And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. and it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch" (Acts 11:26). The name "Christ" to the Jews was a title which means "the anointed One," that is, the Jewish Messiah but the Greek speaking believers in Antioch became known as Christians as the verse depicts and this has been the case ever since. MuttleyLaff: You are putting words into Agrippa's mouth here. Go back to the scriptures: "Then Agrippa said to Paul, You almost persuade me to be a Christian. And Paul said, I would to God, that not only you, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds" (Acts 26:28-29). If you read the whole text with an open mind you will come to the conclusion that Paul was using strong persuassion to make King Agrippa become a Christian even though Agrippa put the decision off for political or financial reasons. MuttleyLaff: Speak for yourself. MuttleyLaff: I see, you are "the son of" MuttleyLaff: I said one word. |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by Jozzy4: 10:01pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Forever be with him in his arms , why do you now initially said the bride will be separated from him ? Groom in heaven , bride leave him in heaven and depot to earth?
Together in heaven ? Or the groom will be in a house (heaven) , while the bride will be in another house ( earth) ? 1 Like |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:and what does ''no they dont'' mean OLAADEGBU:SMH, OK then the word Christians in those three verses refers, to believers in Christ in an endearing and complimentary OLAADEGBU:You dont want to admit that the Christian word did not originate from God, Jesus or any of the Apostles which is why you're forever faffing around, and not answering the simple question about: Did the early believers, disciples or Apostles explicitly called themselves Christians? OLAADEGBU:No just repeating what Agrippa knows about the name the heathen at Antioch called the believers OLAADEGBU:You sure do notice that Paul didnt seize the opportunity to be called a Christian according to what Agrippa understood Christian to mean but he opted for: ''... “Short time or long—I pray to God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains'' As earlier mentioned, the word Christian, did not originate from God, Jesus or any of the disciples, and here is Paul, not latching on to an ample opportunity or not embracing the word in describing his mission with Agrippa OLAADEGBU:If you read the whole text with an open mind you will come to the conclusion that Paul was using strong persuassion to save King Agrippa's soul but Festus, thought Paul is crazy, and Agrippa concluded that Paul was trying to persuade him to be a Christian Paul was into the soul winning business, and no doubt some souls that listened were saved (i.e. became all that Paul is, except for the handcuffs) shame, the big fish Agrippa slipped the bait off the hook, and ate without getting caught by the fisherman's line And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Is anything worth more than your soul? - Matthew 16:26 OLAADEGBU:I rather tell it as it is, rather than speak for myself. Thank you very much. OLAADEGBU:Have you any resevations over that? Are you not a son of God? Oh, or are you still a child of God? OLAADEGBU:The ''morale-boosting'' compound or hyphenated word qualified it better and properly but if you insist on one word, then we can settle with ENCOURAGEMENT |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by MuttleyLaff: 11:54pm On Sep 24, 2015 |
Jozzy4:''Rush into the arms of the Bridegroom and forever be with Him'', is totally different to what you have typed up here. Clearly ''... in His arms'' is your addition and you misquoting me or wrongly paraphrasing me Do married couples have to be in each others arms in order to qualify as be forever together or be forever with each other? Jozzy4:Who is the bride, and who is the Bridegroom? Are they yet married? No! The Bridegroom is coming back for His bride I'm as protective of you as God is. After all, you're a virgin whom I promised in marriage to one man-Christ. - 2 Corinthians 11:2 Jozzy4:Jozzy4, am respectfully typing that you're punching above your weight here Look up Revelation 21:1-3 yourself, if you didnt read the memo |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by plappville(f): 12:35am On Sep 25, 2015 |
I came across this interesting article. It explains the Topic of this thread. Most professing Christians believe that being “born again” occurs in this life upon “receiving Jesus.” But this is not what the Bible teaches. Being “born again” has nothing whatsoever to do with “professing Jesus,” “just believing in your heart,” “giving your heart to the Lord” or any other kind of religious experience. It does not happen at conversion. The Bible teaches that it happens long after this initial step in a new Christian’s life Continues. .. |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by plappville(f): 12:36am On Sep 25, 2015 |
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by plappville(f): 12:37am On Sep 25, 2015 |
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by plappville(f): 12:39am On Sep 25, 2015 |
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by plappville(f): 12:41am On Sep 25, 2015 |
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by plappville(f): 12:41am On Sep 25, 2015 |
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by MuttleyLaff: 7:44am On Sep 25, 2015 |
plappville:You have to be very careful and be mindful of the bones in the food some of these men of questionable character or doctrine dish out I agree all written in the ''interesting article'' is 85% correct, however disagree with where it is being suggested that, without ''entering the kingdom'', its impossible to ''see the kingdom'' I must confess I used to hold Herbert W. Armstrong in high esteem and also used to request for his organisation's free book and Plain Truth magazine even made requests for his book and the magazine for friends and family but all the book requests and the respect I once had for him stopped the moment, around in 2005 or thereabouts when I began reading and learning about some of his misleading and misguiding viewpoints - some where books and articles with racist thoughts David C. Pack, is the author of the above article and was a protégé of Herbert W. Armstrong - as such, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree When Is a Christian “Born Again”? http://realtruth.org/articles/140311-001.html What Does “Born Again” Mean? http://rcg.org/books/wdbam.html |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by paxonel(m): 8:48am On Sep 25, 2015 |
first of all, there is nothing like born again in Christianity or elsewhere in this current day. Jesus 2000yrs ago says i will go and prepare a place, that was before he was crucified. He told Nicodemus 2000yrs ago "except you are born again, you cannot enter the place i will prepare. He told him this before he was crucified. But after the crucifixion he resurrected, that resurrection marks the place he prepared, that place is Christianity inside you. Remember, Jesus is the founder of Christianity, He founded Christianity the day he resurrected, that means, there was nothing like Christianity on earth at the time Jesus met Nicodemus. the question is, what has born again got to do with Christianity? absolutely nothing. So, the purpose of what Jesus meant by born again which is Christianity! has been achieved 2000yrs ago at his resurrection. Therefore, born again sieze to exist at that point |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by chichriso: 8:54am On Sep 25, 2015 |
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by paxonel(m): 9:10am On Sep 25, 2015 |
chichriso:we are christians we are not born again. It is far better to be called a Christianity than to be called born again. It's like you are in Christianity and you are bearing a name in another religion, Judaism. And moreover, people who call themselves born again knows their fantasy of living a sinless life is not feasible 1 Like |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by plappville(f): 8:23am On Sep 26, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Totally agree with you. But I believe that flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom. So this cancel the so-called "born again" christian on earth. Jesus is the "firstborn from the dead. The only one that has defeated death. There has not been any one else after him. So for the moment, no 2rd, 3rd nor 4th born from the dead yet Until the resurrection day. The restored church of God will tell you that. There are the one true church that christ has formed. That you must be thi3r member to make heaven. The body of Christ is divided. Almost all claim to be the true while others are false. Ev3n the Baptist where i worship here in France. They have a doctrine am not agree with. But i just dont follow thier all doctrine. They have me look like i am not a true member. But this does not disturb me at all. I worship God not doing this to please any pastor. |
Re: What Does It Mean To Be A Born Again Christian? by plappville(f): 8:29am On Sep 26, 2015 |
paxonel:I think the word Born again is only used within Nigeria. I have never heard any christian in the West call themselves "born again ". They call themseĺves believers or christians. |
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