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Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by omonnakoda: 4:30pm On Sep 27, 2015
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Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:01 Mumin Salih
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According to divine tradition, Allah sent Muhammad as a prophet to the Arabs. The Quran states in numerous verses (4, 5, 6) that Muhammad brought with him a divine scripture in clear Arabic tongue.

Introduction

As we all know, Islam is based on the Quran, which is regarded by Muslims as Muhammad’s only miracle and the only evidence that he was a prophet. We also know that Muslims disagree on what the Quran says; Muslims with good language skills can twist the words of the Quran, and their meanings, to reach their desired interpretation. These facts make Islam peculiar in being a religion whose foundations rest on the mastery of one language; the Arabic language. It is only natural that the Arabs are the ones who determine the meanings of the Quran and the direction of Islam; the rest of the Muslim umma (nations) just follow.

Arabs are the undisputed natural leaders of the Muslim nations just for being clever enough to speak their own language. Arabs enjoyed their position in the driving seat of Islam and guarded it fiercely. They invented the taboo that the Quran is too good to be translated to any other language; only the meanings of the verses that can be translated. The Arabs marketed the claim that only the people with good command of Arabic can taste the real beauty of the Quran. These are all big lies to be added to the heap of lies of Islam -- the religion of deception and lies.

I do not want to appear to be offending any one, but how do you describe a person, who follows a religion based on a language he can not understand? How can that person claim to be convinced of Islam if he can not read the Quran, which is supposed to be Islam’s only ‘miracle’? How does that person believe the Quran is a language miracle if he can not speak the language? Even the so called scientific miracles are based on the language proficiency. The irony, is that those non Arab Muslims, who are often more fanatic to Islam than the Arabs themselves, do not even like or trust the Arabs in other matters of life. How do they trust them on Islam?.

Islam discusses issues relevant to Arabic culture from an Arabic point of view. The Quran only mentions places that were known to the Arabs of its time, and foods that were known to the Arabs and consumed by them. The Quran mentions animals and plants that were farmed by the Arabs or were known to them. Not once the Quran mentions far-off phenomena like volcanoes, ice sheets or frozen rivers and lakes. All this and the Muslims insist that Islam is a global religion!

After I settled in the west, my Muslim friends of non Arabic backgrounds, treated me as their personal cleric and referred to me on issues related to Islam and the Quran, just because I spoke Arabic. Some of them were open in expressing their sense of unfairness that they have to suffer of the torture of practicing Islam in a foreign language (Arabic) while the Arabs have it the easy way and practice it in their own language. This article has some good news to those friends and to the non Arab Muslims in general: You do not have to to suffer anymore because you do not have to be Muslims at all (1).

This article is completely based on the Quran, its message is to highlight the Quranic evidence that:

Muhammad and his message were meant to be for the Arabs only
All other nations are not invited or expected to join Islam
When Allah decides to send his message to another non Arab nation, he will chose a prophet from that nation who can speak their language.
Allah promised not to punish those nations who do not receive a prophet.

A Divine Tradition

Allah has some divine traditions, called sunnatu-allah, that he never departs from or change (2, 3). One of those traditions is that he sends to every nation its own prophets from its own people. Hence Muhammad was sent to the Arabs and Moses to the Jews. Allah would never send to the Arabs, or any nation, a foreign prophet. He would not even send to the Arabs an Arab prophet with a foreign book, because they wouldn’t understand it (see Q.41:44 below). If Allah decides to send a message to a nation, say to the Indians, he chooses an Indian person, who speaks the local language, to be the prophet in charge of delivering the divine message.

Q. 14:4 “And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah …..”

This message is clarified further in chapter 10: a prophet for every nation.

Q.10:47 And for every nation is a messenger. So when their messenger comes, it will be judged between them in justice, and they will not be wronged

In chapter 41, Allah declares that he would understand if the Arabs reject a non Arabic Quran:

Q.41:44 “And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur’an, they would have said, “Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?” Say ….”

The wisdom and rationality of the “Prophet for every Nation” policy is clear enough, but the Quran puts forward another important reason to keep the tradition: On the judgement day, those prophets will act as witnesses over their nations. It would be unfair to bring a Jewish, or another non Arab, prophet to witness over the Arabs!

Q. 16:89 “And [mention] the Day when We will resurrect among every nation a witness over them from themselves. And We will bring you, [O Muhammad], as a witness over your nation. And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things …..”

Muhammad was a prophet for the Arabs only

In accordance with the above divine tradition, Allah sent Muhammad as a prophet to the Arabs. The Quran states, in numerous verses (4, 5, 6) that Muhammad brought with him a divine scripture in clear Arabic tongue. The Arabs should not have trouble with Muhammad because he is one of them who cares about them (see Q.9:128 below) and can communicate with them in their own language.

Q.2:151 Just as We have sent among you a messenger from yourselvesreciting to you Our verses and purifying you and teaching you the Book and wisdom and teaching you that which you did not know.
Q.9:128 There has certainly come to you a Messenger from among yourselves. Grievous to him is what you suffer; [he is] concerned over you and to the believers is kind and merciful.

By sending Muhammad to them, the Arabs should be grateful because now they have a prophet from their own who can teach them all the good things.

Q.3:164 Certainly did Allah confer [great] favor upon the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from themselves, reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom, although they had been before in manifest error.

Muhammad’s mission covers the Mecca region

Muhammad’s mission was made clear in the Quran as specified in verse Q.6:92. His duty was to deliver the message to Mecca and its suburbs, which were inhabited by Arab tribes. Please note that the name “Um Al Kura” translated as “Mother of Cities” is another Arabic name for Mecca and still in use today.

Q.6:92 “And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it…..”

It is clear that the verse talks about the Arab tribes living in Mecca (like “the Quraish” tribe) and its surroundings. According to this verse Muhammad’s duties did not include delivering his message to distant areas inhabited by the non Arabs.

Having established that the Quran was revealed in a clear Arabic tongue and that Muhammad was an Arab prophet sent to the Arabs, Allah states that now there is no excuse for the Arabs not to join Islam. In verse 43:44, Allah puts in Muhammad’s mind that he, along with his tribe, have responsibility towards the Quran and will be questioned about it on the judgment day. The verse has clearly excluded the non Arabs from this responsibility.

Q. 43:44 “And indeed, it is a remembrance for you and your people, and you are going to be questioned”

The message in the above verse is clear: the Arabs can not be excused if they do not believe in Muhammad and the Quran. On the other hand, verses Q.26:198-199 tell us that Allah expects the non Arabs to reject the Quran, if recited to them, and would understand their reasons for doing so. According to these two verses, Allah believes that rejecting the Quran by the non Arabs is a natural response that is in agreement with rationality and common sense. In other words, the two verses suggest that it is stupid for the non Arabs to believe in the Quran!

Q. 198: “And even if We had revealed it to one among the foreigners”
Q.199: “And he had recited it to them [perfectly], they would [still] not have been believers in it”.

No Prophets, No Punishments policy

There are more exciting news for the non Arabs, who should follow their instincts and reject the Quran and Islam. Allah announces in verses Q.17:15 that he operates a “no prophets no punishments” policy, which is designed to give those non Arabs peace of mind in this life and the afterlife. Allah, being a just god, promised never to punish any nation unless he sends to that nation a prophet to deliver his message to them. This divine warranty is documented in chapter 17 of the Quran:

Q. 17:15 “Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger”

While the above verse assures the non Arabs of a good outcome in the afterlife, chapter 28, assures them with peace and stability in this life. In verse Q. 28:59, Allah promises not to destroy any town until they a receive a messenger from him.

Q. 28:59 And never would your Lord have destroyed the cities until He had sent to their mother a messenger reciting to them Our verses. And We would not destroy the cities except while their people were wrongdoers.

With so many assurances and concessions, why the non Arabs bother about Islam?

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References:

1. As would be expected from the Quran, there are verses that suggest otherwise. The message to the non Arab Muslims is: either you accept the verses quoted in this article, which are the basis of the article, or accept the fact that there are contradictions in the Quran, therefore it is not divine.

Q. 48:23 [This is] the established way of Allah which has occurred before. And never will you find in the way of Allah any change.

Q.33:62 [This is] the established way of Allah with those who passed on before; and you will not find in the way of Allah any change.

Q. 26:195,195: In a clear Arabic language.

Q. 12:2 Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an that you might understand.

Q. 44:3 Indeed, We have made it an Arabic Qur’an that you might understand.

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Annunaki(m): 4:51pm On Sep 27, 2015
Demmzy15(pig) rilwon lexiconkabir and other arab slaves come and learn about your false religion here.

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Pavore9: 5:38pm On Sep 27, 2015
If it was meant for Arabs alone, why did they bother spreading it beyond their territory?
Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Annunaki(m): 5:45pm On Sep 27, 2015
1. As would be expected from the Quran, there are verses that suggest otherwise. The message to the non Arab Muslims is: either you accept the verses quoted in this article, which are the basis of the article, or accept the fact that there are contradictions in the Quran, therefore it is not divine.

The above quote and bolded was the killer punch for me gringringrin

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by ValerianSteel(m): 6:05pm On Sep 27, 2015
Millions of blind dogmatic followers round the globe.

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by omonnakoda: 6:07pm On Sep 27, 2015
Annunaki:
Demmzy15(pig) rilwon lexiconkabir and other arab slaves come and learn about your false religion here.
The same logic applies to ALL NON_AFRICAN religions which really are tools of enslavement

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Nobody: 6:34pm On Sep 27, 2015
The Noble Quran was sent to both the Arabs and to Mankind. There are Verses in the Noble Quran where Allah Almighty explicitly talks to the Arabs and for the Arabs, and there are Noble Verses in the Noble Quran where Allah Almighty talks to Mankind and for Mankind.

What did Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him say?

Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Rubbing hands and feet with dust (Tayammum), Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331)"

Let's compare the Saying of our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to what our beloved Prophet of GOD Almighty to the People of Israel, Jesus peace be upon him said:

"These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:5-6)"

"He (Jesus) answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:24)"

Jesus peace be upon him was only sent to the Jews. Muhammad peace be upon him was sent to all mankind, as a mercy and to close off all Divine Revelations.

Noble Verses for Mankind:

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"

"Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is God's curse,and the curse of angels, and of all mankind; (The Noble Quran, 2:161)"

"It is He Who has Created you [humans]; and of you [humans] are some that are unbelievers, and some that are believers: And Allah sees well all that ye do. He has created the heavens and the earth in just portions, and has given you [humans] shape, and made your shapes beautiful: and to Him is the final Goal. He knows what is in the heavens and on earth; and He knows what ye conceal and what ye reveal: Allah Knows well the (secrets) of (all) hearts. (The Noble Quran, 64:2-4)"

"Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which God Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise. (The Noble Quran, 2:164)"

"Mankind was one single nation, and God sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. God by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For God guided whom He will to a path that is straight. (The Noble Quran, 2:213)"

"If God were to punish men according to what they deserve. He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily God has in His sight all His Servants. (The Noble Quran, 35:45)"

"O mankind! verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: For We have sent unto you a light (that is) manifest. (The Noble Quran, 4:174)"

"O ye Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover your shame, as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness,- that is the best. Such are among the Signs of God, that they may receive admonition! (The Noble Quran, 7:26)"

"O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame: for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them: We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith. (The Noble Quran, 7:27)"

"O Children of Adam! wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer: eat and drink: But waste not by excess, for God loveth not the wasters. (The Noble Quran, 7:31)"

"O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve. (The Noble Quran, 7:35)"

"Did I not enjoin on you, O ye Children of Adam, that ye should not worship Satan; for that he was to you an enemy avowed? (The Noble Quran, 36:60)"

There are many other Noble Verses that show how Allah Almighty talks to Mankind and about Mankind in the Noble Quran.

Noble Verses for Arabs:

"We know indeed that they say, 'It is a man that teaches him.' The tougue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear. (The Noble Quran, 16:103)"

"Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Qur'an: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities and all around her,- and warn (them) of the Day of Assembly, of which there is no doubt: (when) some will be in the Garden, and some in the Blazing Fire. (The Noble Quran, 42:7)"

"And this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the mother of cities [Mecca] and all around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers. (The Noble Quran, 6:92)"

The reason why Allah Almighty mentioned that the Noble Quran is an "Arabic Quran", is because some of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) and Pagans charged Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him for using "non-Arabic" words in the Noble Quran. The reason they thought that is because Allah Almighty used very old Arabic language and literature in His Noble Revelations. So as a response to this false charge, Allah Almighty told them that the Noble Quran is 100% revealed in Arabic.

Also, another reason why Allah Almighty sent down the Noble Quran in Arabic is that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was an Arab and lived among Arabs. The Noble Revelations had to be sent down in a human language. The Arabic language was chosen because of the Arabic speaking pagans needed help to be brought from darkness into light. It was not revealed to make the Noble Quran only for Arabs

More verses that shows that Quran is also for mankind

"We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures. (The Noble Quran, 21:107)"

"This is no less than a Message to (all) the Worlds. (The Noble Quran, 38:87)"

"And no reward dost thou ask of them for this: it is no less than a message for all creatures. (The Noble Quran, 12:104)"

"Those were the (prophets) who received God's guidance: Copy the guidance they received; Say: 'No reward for this do I ask of you: This is no less than a message for the nations.' (The Noble Quran, 6:90)"

so mr omonnakoda you know next to nothing.

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Demmzy15(m): 7:35pm On Sep 27, 2015
See finishing ^^, Annunaki a.k.a goat, see how person just scatter the career of you and the OP! grin grin

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Nobody: 8:08pm On Sep 27, 2015
Demmzy15:
See finishing ^^, Annunaki a.k.a goat, see how person just scatter the career of you and the OP! grin grin
I didnt want to reply at first(because of the time it will take me to type), but if i didnt counter the op, gullible muslims would be confused, thanks to Annunaki a.k.a goat angry angry for bringing me into this thread. grin grin

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by omonnakoda: 8:30pm On Sep 27, 2015
lexiconkabir:
The Noble Quran was sent to both the Arabs and to Mankind. There are Verses in the Noble Quran where Allah Almighty explicitly talks to the Arabs and for the Arabs, and there are Noble Verses in the Noble Quran where Allah Almighty talks to Mankind and for Mankind.

What did Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him say?

Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Rubbing hands and feet with dust (Tayammum), Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331)"

Let's compare the Saying of our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to what our beloved Prophet of GOD Almighty to the People of Israel, Jesus peace be upon him said:

"These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:5-6)"

"He (Jesus) answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:24)"

Jesus peace be upon him was only sent to the Jews. Muhammad peace be upon him was sent to all mankind, as a mercy and to close off all Divine Revelations.

Noble Verses for Mankind:

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"

"Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is God's curse,and the curse of angels, and of all mankind; (The Noble Quran, 2:161)"

"It is He Who has Created you [humans]; and of you [humans] are some that are unbelievers, and some that are believers: And Allah sees well all that ye do. He has created the heavens and the earth in just portions, and has given you [humans] shape, and made your shapes beautiful: and to Him is the final Goal. He knows what is in the heavens and on earth; and He knows what ye conceal and what ye reveal: Allah Knows well the (secrets) of (all) hearts. (The Noble Quran, 64:2-4)"

"Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which God Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise. (The Noble Quran, 2:164)"

"Mankind was one single nation, and God sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. God by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For God guided whom He will to a path that is straight. (The Noble Quran, 2:213)"

"If God were to punish men according to what they deserve. He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily God has in His sight all His Servants. (The Noble Quran, 35:45)"

"O mankind! verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: For We have sent unto you a light (that is) manifest. (The Noble Quran, 4:174)"

"O ye Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover your shame, as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness,- that is the best. Such are among the Signs of God, that they may receive admonition! (The Noble Quran, 7:26)"

"O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame: for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them: We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith. (The Noble Quran, 7:27)"

"O Children of Adam! wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer: eat and drink: But waste not by excess, for God loveth not the wasters. (The Noble Quran, 7:31)"

"O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve. (The Noble Quran, 7:35)"

"Did I not enjoin on you, O ye Children of Adam, that ye should not worship Satan; for that he was to you an enemy avowed? (The Noble Quran, 36:60)"

There are many other Noble Verses that show how Allah Almighty talks to Mankind and about Mankind in the Noble Quran.

Noble Verses for Arabs:

"We know indeed that they say, 'It is a man that teaches him.' The tougue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear. (The Noble Quran, 16:103)"

"Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Qur'an: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities and all around her,- and warn (them) of the Day of Assembly, of which there is no doubt: (when) some will be in the Garden, and some in the Blazing Fire. (The Noble Quran, 42:7)"

"And this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the mother of cities [Mecca] and all around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers. (The Noble Quran, 6:92)"

The reason why Allah Almighty mentioned that the Noble Quran is an "Arabic Quran", is because some of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) and Pagans charged Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him for using "non-Arabic" words in the Noble Quran. The reason they thought that is because Allah Almighty used very old Arabic language and literature in His Noble Revelations. So as a response to this false charge, Allah Almighty told them that the Noble Quran is 100% revealed in Arabic.

Also, another reason why Allah Almighty sent down the Noble Quran in Arabic is that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was an Arab and lived among Arabs. The Noble Revelations had to be sent down in a human language. The Arabic language was chosen because of the Arabic speaking pagans needed help to be brought from darkness into light. It was not revealed to make the Noble Quran only for Arabs

More verses that shows that Quran is also for mankind

"We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures. (The Noble Quran, 21:107)"

"This is no less than a Message to (all) the Worlds. (The Noble Quran, 38:87)"

"And no reward dost thou ask of them for this: it is no less than a message for all creatures. (The Noble Quran, 12:104)"

"Those were the (prophets) who received God's guidance: Copy the guidance they received; Say: 'No reward for this do I ask of you: This is no less than a message for the nations.' (The Noble Quran, 6:90)"

so mr omonnakoda you know next to nothing.

You have not added anything new just hubris . The article (I am not the author by the way) is clear. If provides some verses that clearly indicates that Allah would send a messenger to every people in their own language and that Mohammed was sent to Arabs. The author admit that there are other verses that contradict that but he has already anticipated that argument by saying then you must admit the Quran is self contradictory how do you respond to that. Respond to the issues raised line by line and leave omonnakoda out of it. Invariably like all zealots you will leave the the message and attack the messenger. I have read the Quran several time and the narrator often appeals to or questions reasoning, sense logic etc. So Muslims are expected to be logical rational beings from all indications. Can you put up a logical case without attacking omonnakoda.

The other point I would add personally is this idea of Hajj . That is another Arab scam. With the population of Muslims reaching billions is it reasonable to ask millions of Muslims to perform Hajj each year especially in the light of the hundreds that died on Wednesday and the response of the Saudi Authorities that it was Allah's will. Haj makes sense FOR ARABS ONLY and that reinforces the idea that Islam is for Arabs

Finally you left out the main issue which is the argument that Muslims should worship in Arabic and any translation of the Quran is inferior to the Arabic version. That is just all marketing to strengthen the hand of Arabs
Islam then becomes a too of Arabic Colonization

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by true2god: 9:38pm On Sep 27, 2015
Just as the Europeans and the Americans use their multinational companies to control the third and developing world, the Saudis use Islam to promote Arab culture and exploit most part of the third and developing world, in africa and southeast Asia, via hajj and some other cultural destruction means. The Saudis shamelessly blamed Africans for the hajj death while Iran blamed the Saudis for the death. Can you imagine the Saudis telling lies to the entire global media in order to paint Africans bad? Africans, most of who sold all what they have in order to serve Arabian idol in mecca still have to be humiliated by their Saudi masters.

The Europeans and the Americans might be very greedy in that they exploit the resources if the poor countries for the gains of their multinational companies, but the European still built our bridges, railway lines, telecommunications system, avionics, modern health systems etc. Meanwhile the only Arabian multinational company, the mosques and Arabian cultural centres, produce more misery, violence and poverty. The expulsion of Arabs from our daily life is long over due. The rejection of mohammed and his sharia is good for the wellbeing of humanity, and africans in particular.

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Annunaki(m): 9:34am On Sep 28, 2015
lexiconkabir:
I didnt want to reply at first(because of the time it will take me to type), but if i didnt counter the op, gullible muslims would be confused, thanks to Annunaki a.k.a goat angry angry for bringing me into this thread. grin grin

Dunce, you just confirmed that the quoran contradicts itself. tongue

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Nobody: 11:31am On Sep 28, 2015
Annunaki:

Dunce, you just confirmed that the quoran contradicts itself. tongue
undecided
Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Nobody: 11:32am On Sep 28, 2015
Annunaki:


Dunce, you just confirmed that the quoran contradicts itself. tongue
undecided, i will still reply the op on that, still composing my reply, and it will be bad gan! grin
Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Annunaki(m): 11:43am On Sep 28, 2015
lexiconkabir:
undecided, i will still reply the op on that, still composing my reply, and it will be bad gan! grin

I trust you as you are a well trained al taquiya expert tongue
Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by true2god: 12:24pm On Sep 28, 2015
Annunaki:


I trust you as you are a well trained al taquiya expert tongue
Altaqiyya is the 6th pillar of islam. Mohammed used and advocated it. See hadith below and see for yourself:

Bukhari Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857: Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba: That she heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “He who makes peace between the people by INVENTING good information or saying good things, is not a liar.”

Muslim Book 032, Number 6303: Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good.

So lying is a normative islam, it is not a sin (as long as it is for the promotion of islam and the defense of uncle mohammed and allahh).

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by basilico: 1:52pm On Sep 28, 2015
When Muhammad started his religion in Mecca he was not preaching violent verses. Those verses where he was reaching out to Arabs were probably the first years of his islam.

We know that later the Meccans got tired of him insulting their idols and he had to flee to Medina. From 610 to 622 AD he had only made less than 200 converts.

In Medina he organised raids on caravans and acquired followers. Then Allah abrogated all those seemingly peaceful verses once Muhammad acquired power and wealth. And Muhammad then changed tune that he was now sent to all mankind, all muslims were to fight until the only religion is for allah etc.
Of course muslims reject abrogation doctrine because it makes Allah look fake.

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Nobody: 4:20pm On Sep 28, 2015
omonnakoda:


You have not added anything new just hubris .

your opinion, it holds no water :-/

The article (I am not the author by the way) is clear. If provides some verses that clearly indicates that Allah would send a messenger to every people in their own language and that Mohammed was sent to Arabs.

ofcourse!!! The Quran sees mankind as a nation, see sura2:213, Muhammad peace be upon him, was sent to mankind(a single nation according to the Quran).

The author admit that there are other verses that contradict that but he has already anticipated that argument by saying then you must admit the Quran is self contradictory how do you respond to that. Respond to the issues raised line by line and leave omonnakoda out of it.

The author was trying to play a smart one, only gullible people can be tricked, pls can you point a single verse that says, "This Quran was sent to the arabs"? yet numerous verses of the Quran says it(Quran)was sent to mankind, one of it is this:-

"The month of Ramadan in which I revealed the
Quran as guidance to mankind
..."

In fact the Quran has a full chapter for mankind(suratul nas), the Quran do not have a single chapter for the arabs, it has a chapter for believers(Muslims) which the arab muslims fall into that category, it has a chaper for unbelievers which the arab pagans fall into that category.

Invariably like all zealots you will leave the the message and attack the messenger.

Again, your opinion, so let it rot in you! :-/

I have read the Quran several time and the narrator often appeals to or questions reasoning, sense logic etc. So Muslims are expected to be logical rational beings from all indications. Can you put up a logical case without attacking omonnakoda.

Not my business!

The other point I would add personally is this idea of Hajj . That is another Arab scam. With the population of Muslims reaching billions is it reasonable to ask millions of Muslims to perform Hajj each year especially in the light of the hundreds that died on Wednesday and the response of the Saudi Authorities that it was Allah's will. Haj makes sense FOR ARABS ONLY and that reinforces the idea that Islam is for Arabs


[Quran 5:95] O you who believe, do not kill any
game during pilgrimage.
Anyone who kills any game on purpose, his fine shall be a number of livestock animals that is equivalent to the game animals he killed. The judgment shall be set by two equitable people among you. They shall make sure that the
offerings reach the Ka'ba. Otherwise, he may
expiate by feeding poor people, or by an equivalent
fast to atone for his offense. God has pardoned past
offenses. But if anyone returns to such an offense,
God will avenge it. God is Almighty, Avenger.

as you can see, that verse is for muslims not arabs only.

Finally you left out the main issue which is the argument that Muslims should worship in Arabic and any translation of the Quran is inferior to the Arabic version. That is just all marketing to strengthen the hand of Arabs
Islam then becomes a too of Arabic Colonization

i've dealt with this in my first post, hint: re-read again.

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by omonnakoda: 4:37pm On Sep 28, 2015
lexiconkabir:


your opinion, it holds no water :-/



ofcourse!!! The Quran sees mankind as a nation, see sura2:213, Muhammad peace be upon him, was sent to mankind(a single nation according to the Quran).

The author was trying to play a smart one, only gullible people can be tricked, pls can you point a single verse that says, "This Quran was sent to the arabs"? yet numerous verses of the Quran says it(Quran)was sent to mankind, one of it is this:-

"The month of Ramadan in which I revealed the
Quran as guidance to mankind
..."

In fact the Quran has a full chapter for mankind(suratul nas), the Quran do not have a single chapter for the arabs, it has a chapter for believers(Muslims) which the arab muslims fall into that category, it has a chaper for unbelievers which the arab pagans fall into that category.



Again, your opinion, so let it rot in you! :-/



Not my business!




[Quran 5:95] O you who believe, do not kill any
game during pilgrimage.
Anyone who kills any game on purpose, his fine shall be a number of livestock animals that is equivalent to the game animals he killed. The judgment shall be set by two equitable people among you. They shall make sure that the
offerings reach the Ka'ba. Otherwise, he may
expiate by feeding poor people, or by an equivalent
fast to atone for his offense. God has pardoned past
offenses. But if anyone returns to such an offense,
God will avenge it. God is Almighty, Avenger.

as you can see, that verse is for muslims not arabs only.



i've dealt with this in my first post, hint: re-read again.
You are confused

Q. 14:4 “And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah …..”
Q. 14:4 “And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah …..”

The Quran is the book of Islam . The Quran is not Islam. The author is saying saying Islam is for Arabs after all Muslims read the Torah does that make them Jews . The word Torah,psalms and The Book appear in the Quran several times. What the author is saying is you can worship Allah without following Islam i.e not praying in Arabic ,wearing Arabic clothes ,facing Mecca when you pray or going to Mecca

In other words the Quran is telling us Allah will send a messenger to Ibos speaking Ibo ,or Yoruba etc as the case may be


Opinions will not rot in me but your mother will die and rot like a pig

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Nobody: 5:41pm On Sep 28, 2015
omonnakoda:

Opinions will not rot in me but your mother will die and rot like a pig
mr man, in as much as i would love to continue this discussion, you've overstepped your bounds, i could insult someone and receive insults too, but i can never insult someone's mother, since you can insult my mother, it clearly shows that you have no mother or you dont regard your mother back at home. your case is dismissed!

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by omonnakoda: 5:45pm On Sep 28, 2015
lexiconkabir:
mr man, in as much as i would love to continue this discussion, you've overstepped your bounds, i could insult someone and receive insults too, but i can never insult someone's mother, since you can insult my mother, it clearly shows that you have no mother or you dont regard your mother back at home. your case is dismissed!
What gives you the right to set rules for how insults should be dispensed. Better not to start because you might get more than you bargained for.
Well I do not tolerate insults at all so you overstepped the mark . Note my name for next time. learn some manners and and how to behave fucck you and your mother . eediott

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Nobody: 5:50pm On Sep 28, 2015
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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by omonnakoda: 5:57pm On Sep 28, 2015
lexiconkabir:
like i said earlier, you have no regard for your mother at home.
I have no regard for your rotten mother. may she rot in hell
If you think it is fashion to abuse people I am sure next time when you see my name you will think twice .Animal!!
Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Annunaki(m): 6:29pm On Sep 28, 2015
omonnakoda:
I have no regard for your rotten mother. may she rot in hell
If you think it is fashion to abuse people I am sure next time when you see my name you will think twice .Animal!!

You shouldn't have brought his mother's name into it, it really wasn't necessary.

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by omonnakoda: 6:41pm On Sep 28, 2015
Annunaki:


You shouldn't have brought his mother's name into it, it really wasn't necessary.
you dey craze

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Demmzy15(m): 9:23pm On Sep 28, 2015
Lmaooooo grin grin grin^^^

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Demmzy15(m): 9:24pm On Sep 28, 2015
lexiconkabir:
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It's better bro, you've exposed his folly. He can't help it, it shows how desperate and frustrated he is. Nice one!

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by omonnakoda: 10:35pm On Sep 28, 2015
Your mother is frustrated she will die frustrated
Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by true2god: 8:07am On Sep 29, 2015
omonnakoda:
Your mother is frustrated she will die frustrated
Be mature please, if you can't handle pressure and arguments on nairaland you can choose to be an observer or mere reader.
Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by omonnakoda: 8:56am On Sep 29, 2015
true2god:
Be mature please, if you can't handle pressure and arguments on nairaland you can choose to be an observer or mere reader.
Another Samaritan? You must be a lunatic

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by Demmzy15(m): 10:13am On Sep 29, 2015
true2god:
Be mature please, if you can't handle pressure and arguments on nairaland you can choose to be an observer or mere reader.
He learnt it from you guys now, no need to consol him!

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Re: Islam Is Not For Non-arabs: Al-quran by parisbookaddict(f): 7:04am On Sep 30, 2015
true2god:
Just as the Europeans and the Americans use their multinational companies to control the third and developing world, the Saudis use Islam to promote Arab culture and exploit most part of the third and developing world, in africa and southeast Asia, via hajj and some other cultural destruction means. The Saudis shamelessly blamed Africans for the hajj death while Iran blamed the Saudis for the death. Can you imagine the Saudis telling lies to the entire global media in order to paint Africans bad? Africans, most of who sold all what they have in order to serve Arabian idol in mecca still have to be humiliated by their Saudi masters.

The Europeans and the Americans might be very greedy in that they exploit the resources if the poor countries for the gains of their multinational companies, but the European still built our bridges, railway lines, telecommunications system, avionics, modern health systems etc. Meanwhile the only Arabian multinational company, the mosques and Arabian cultural centres, produce more misery, violence and poverty. The expulsion of Arabs from our daily life is long over due. The rejection of mohammed and his sharia is good for the wellbeing of humanity, and africans in particular.

Excellent point... the west/europeans even built and is still building the infrastructure the muslims use todya in developed gulf states.. saudi arabia was lucky to have liberal royal family who embraced the kaffirs and paid them to develop their barren empty lands..

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