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Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by MizJanet(f): 8:42pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
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Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by walemoney007(m): 8:44pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
[quote author=MizJanet post=38796605][/quote]are you telling me that alfa shekarau is not allah prophet? |
Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by Repentance96: 8:45pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
Emusan: This contains the crux of our difference. Yes, the term "original sin" means different things to different people. If it means the forgiven sin of Adam that was predestined as a pretext to have him equal to Iblis,then yes. We all are on earth because God wants to test each and one of us, and make us our own witness to our works. Adam rose above Iblis, because he repented and thus was forgiven for his sin. His sin was not passed down, but the consequences were ... So we the children of Adam must passed through earth and hell to Paradise. If God did not forgive Adam, then he would have destroyed Adam - but that would make it all a wasted effort. So God gave the chance for us all to prove to ourselves that we deserve everlasting life. But how? By accepting God and His guidance when it comes and being in a state of submission to God. We can fall in sin, but God would purify us and forgive us. God is Most Merciful This doctrine is more universal in the sense that our salvation does not hang in belief of any historical event like a crucifiction. Earth was corrupted with death and bloodshed even before Adam was created and God had to purify earth. This doctrine of salvation has remained the same throughout time, and it is not intended unfair to those who have not heard about it. God could have many earths with many intelligent creations all over the universe and not merely one earth (needing one lamb of sacrifice). Why has God created life and death? Well, God answers this Question quite simply: [He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving (Mulk 2) It's true that we have inherited our DNA from our parents but where have we got our souls/spirit? "O mankind! Be conscious of your Lord, who has created you from one soul (Adam), and out of it created its mate (Eve), and out of the two spread many men and women. And remain conscious of God, in whose name you demand [your rights] from one another, and of these ties of kinship. Verily, God is ever watchful over you!" (Quran 4:1) Has this being tainted? No. "When your Lord drew forth from the loins of the children of Adam their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves: ‘Am I not your Lord?’. They said, ‘Yes, we do testify.’ This lest you should say on the Day of Judgement: ‘We were not aware of this.’ " (Al A’raaf :272) There's a hadith to make this explicitly clear: The Prophet (PBUH) reported that Allah said, "I created my servants in the right religion but devils made them go astray". The Prophet (PBUH) also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian, the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any that were born mutilated?" (Bukhari and Muslim). Our natures are all pure and in fact comes from that of God, like an image. "Then He fashioned him and breathed into him from His ruh; and He gave you (the faculties) of hearing, sight, and feeling. Little thanks you give." (As-Sajdah 32:9) "When I have fashioned him and breathed into him from My ruh" (Al-Hijr 15:29) 1 Like |
Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by MizJanet(f): 9:14pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
walemoney007: there are many allah followers online , go and ask them if shekrau is Allah's prophet And let me ask you too : where did King David go when he died ? 1 Like |
Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by walemoney007(m): 9:21pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
MizJanet:what the fvck is my business with david,,who gives a Bleep if he is in heaven or earth..maybe you should ask his followers.......please why do muslims love phucking under age girls,xpecially muhammad an adult fvcking aisha a 9yrs old girl? |
Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by Emusan(m): 6:35pm On Oct 09, 2015 |
I don't need to waste time on this or lengthen my word again since I've dealt with this in my previous post since you've decided to boycott it and address this. So I'm only here to refresh the key point which you and I have actually agreed with and how you keep contradict yourself. You agree that if Adam hadn't sinned he won't have DIED (which means Adam will continue in his state of PURITY forever WITHOUT EXPERIENCE DEATH in his life NEITHER HIM COME TO EARTH) With this in mind, we can then proceed Repentance96: The emphasis is at the @bold-What are the consequence of Adam SIN that was pass down to man? This is another time I will ask this question which you keep ignoring. NOTICE: according to the ORIGINAL SIN theory it says BOTH DEATH AND SIN ENTER MAN'S WORLD AS A RESULT OF ADAM'S SIN which means BOTH DEATH AND SIN are the consequences of Adam's sin/disobedient. This is another place you've prove theory of ORIGINAL SIN true. But how? Well what I know is this, it's not man who will tell God how to run His system it's what God wants that man will follow and God has foretold the sacrificial lamb that will take away the sin of the world by laying various anti-type of it since the very first day Adam sinned by killing an animal and used it to cover their sin TEMPORARILY and through the prophets of OLD TESTAMENT until THE SEED of the Woman will come and bruise the head of the accuser who is Satan. This doctrine is more universal in the sense that our salvation does not hang in belief of any historical event like a crucifiction. Earth was corrupted with death and bloodshed even before Adam was created and God had to purify earth. This doctrine of salvation has remained the same throughout time, and it is not intended unfair to those who have not heard about it. God could have many earths with many intelligent creations all over the universe and not merely one earth (needing one lamb of sacrifice). Sorry at the bold-Human sense can't direct God but God directs human senses which means we do His will not Him do our will. How will earth corrupt, who are the people who corrupted it, does animal responsible for their action? These are the questions that beg for answers If animal does not responsible for their action, why will you attach CORRUPTION and BLOODSHED to animal's action? It's true that we have inherited our DNA from our parents but where have we got our souls/spirit? Where does soul/spirit reside if not the body that the DNA form? Whether you like it or not we ALL inherited TAINTED NATURE from Adam because YOUR SOUL/SPIRIT can't function alone on earth. You've confirmed ORIGINAL SIN again here. Our natures are all pure and in fact comes from that of God, like an image. Sorry the DNA will inherited is OUR TRUE NATURE because it's the thing that makes us HUMAN, so it's not pure. The last part I want to address is your misuse of the word 'PREDESTINATE' For your information PREDESTINATE does not mean God PURPOSELY created death and suffering but as a God He knew end from the beginning that's He knows how the whole things will run because I see you making this mistake that's why you thing MAN IS PURPOSELY CREATED to die. I know because it's me who said this you won't take it but here is a support of my point from your own scholar Ibn Kathir you quoted earlier. "Could it be said that Adam and the rest of mankind were predestined to sin and to be expelled from Paradise and sent to the earth? In fact, this fiction is as naive as the first one. Adam complete free will, and he bore the consequences of his deed. He disobeyed by eating of the forbidden tree, so Allah dismissed him from Paradise. His disobedience does not negate his freedom. On the contrary it is a consequence of it. The truth of the matter is that Allah knew what was going to happen, as He always know the outcome of events before they take place." Shalom! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by Emusan(m): 7:06pm On Oct 09, 2015 |
MizJanet: Unchurchwoman, it's so funny how you'll raise question by yourself, answer it by yourself and still conclude it by yourself. bible said : ' because of one man , ALL have sinned' - Romans 5:12 , it further describes it has been " SOLD under sin " says Roman 7:14 . The anti-type sacrificial lamb started the very day Adam's sinned by God Himself in the Garden of Eden. For your information, The Word of God (which came to earth as the true type and was given the name Jesus Christ) has been in action from ages even before David was born. that's why Jesus is THE way..., and THE life no ONE comes to the Father without passing through Him. "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." Heb 10:14 I know this will be too hard for you to grab 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by MizJanet(f): 8:52pm On Oct 09, 2015 |
Emusan: Wow ! Wow ! Wow ! True type and anti - type theories . And David had made heaven before the TRUE type gave his life as a sacrifice to take away the sin of mankind ? Reference : john 1:29 .
Kindly check what you quote , " for by one offering " but Before that offering was made for sins , David made heaven ,aM i ryt ? 3 Likes |
Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by QuintusDidius: 9:49am On Oct 13, 2016 |
Emusan: Allah is the creator of evil and good : https://quran.com/search?q=Allah%20guides%20whom%20He%20wills so you can say He can lead people astray and guide those whom He like... Allah gave Iblis a change (forgiveness) untill the day of judgement BUT he will refuse it (bow down to the grave of Adam) Allah give you everything so it is easy for Him to take everything that you have (including the air that you inhale) so why Allah let the Iblis do what he does ? (because that already His master plan of the course of humanity and Jinns life) to see whoever that are loyal or faithfull enough to get pass His test in this life...may we all be at His mercy, Amen.... |
Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by MkUser9: 4:51pm On Nov 02, 2016 |
The general view is that Allah cast Iblis out of heaven for disobedience. But Iblis' statement that Allah deceived him or led him astray doesn't connect. The Bible says that Satan was cast out because "Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth" Ezekiel 28:13-19. Let's look at the situation. Here we have Iblis, who, to all appearances looks and behaves like a nice humble Jinn. Allah commands Iblis to bow to Adam and Iblis refuses saying "I am better than him, You created me from fire, and him You created from clay" (Sura 7:12 and elsewhere). In one sentence, Iblis has revealed himself to be a prideful arrogant so-and-so and no longer fit to retain his position in heaven. Allah did not lie or deceive Iblis but He did create a situation whereby Iblis tripped up his own self! And now, Iblis will go out and do the same to man, except he will use outright lies to attain his objectives because that is "his native language" (John 8:44) |
Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by MkUser9: 5:21pm On Nov 02, 2016 |
MizJanet: I Peter 1:20 He was chosen before the foundation of the world but was revealed at the end of the times for you. Revelation 13:8 And all the inhabitants of The Earth will worship it, those who are not written in The Book of Life of The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. |
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