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Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by austentero: 11:49pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Some personnel in the nation’s Armed Forces are apprehensive of a likely friction between the new Minister of Defence, Brig-Gen. Monsur Dan- Ali (rtd) and the current service chiefs, since he is their junior in military hierarchy and order of seniority. It is feared that this friction in their working relationship will become inevitable should Dan- Ali attempt to assert his authority over the service chiefs. Misgivings have already been expressed in military circles over the seeming confrontational and controversial manner with which the Defence Minister resumed in office. It would be recalled that Dan-Ali last week reopened the old wounds when he openly castigated the immediate past Chief of Army Staff, COAS, Lt-Gen. Kenneth Minimah (rtd) and the Nigerian Army for the manner they handled President Muhammadu Buhari’s West African Examinations Certificate, WAEC, scandal. “Where is your integrity when your own Chief of Army Staff (Minimah) stood up and say his Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces (Buhari) has no WAEC. How? Please let us be sincere with ourselves. Because you should have stood up and said no, because you are there you cannot. If you leave the job, is it the end of your life. If you leave the job there are other ways, better ways God can bless your life,” he had reportedly said. One of the inside sources, who expressed these concerns to ThisDay that “this (the above statement) smacks of braggadocio,” said this is the first time a Minister of Defence with military background would have to issue (administrative) directives and orders to his superiors (the service chiefs). The source explained that Dan-Ali, who retired two years ago, was a Short Course Service equivalent to the Nigerian Defence Academy (NDA) Regular Course 31, while the COAS, Lt- Gen. Tukur Buratai, who is the youngest among the service chiefs is from the Regular Course 29. “He retired barely two years ago, in 2013, when the services chiefs were major-generals then. He is of the Short Service Course, equivalent to the NDA 31st Regular Course and the present Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) is of the 25th Regular Course. So you can see the gap, and the Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) is of the 26th Regular Course, the Chief of Air Staff (CAS) who also came through the Air Short Service is equivalent of the 26 to 27th Course. Then the COAS who is the most junior among the current service chiefs, is even of 28th Course. So you can imagine that they are all senior to this new minister,” the newspaper was told. Another senior officer expressed doubt if the Defence Minister can equal the sterling experience and intellectual capacity of the service chiefs most of whom were directing staff at one time or the other in different military institutions. The source wondered if the minister would have the courage and professional grounds to reject advice from the service chiefs, “and being their junior, how will the service chiefs react if their advice are being discarded by the minister.” Meanwhile, the officer noted, “you can recall that when they asked him during the ministerial screening about his performance when at the Bangladesh Staff College, where he had no grades and he responded that it was not compulsory. “So that’s the new minister of Defence for you, one who could not defend his course and performance. I see him he is not going to last because the people he is dealing with, have high level of intellectual framework. They are all directing staffs either in War College or Armed Forces Command and Staff College. Some were even Directors in Defence College,” the source stressed. Also, another officer further explained to the publication that: “The fear is that President Muhammadu Buhari wanted to bring down the service chiefs to the 31st Course before he appointed this present minister but people had to intervene because the rate of retirement is so high. “That was why he had to stop at 29th Course, but now that he is bringing in a 31st course equivalent, is it possible that he wants these ones to resign out of frustration or annoyance. This is because if the CDS happens to write a letter to this minister, who ordinarily is his junior and he cancels it, he may react and not take it lightly. You know in the armed forces our junior officers give their utmost respect. So will these ones now be telling their junior sir. When you see him, he want to force talk in order to assert his authority, I can see a man struggling to get loyalty from his military seniors.” “The limitations are many, one most of the service chiefs will not feel comfortable working with him. So there might likely be friction because a leader will not want a subordinate to give the impression that they are better than him. So that is an area of friction because these men may not be able to give him directly the proper interpretation of things. We are in a quagmire, I am telling you.” http://dailypost.ng/2015/11/16/military-seniority-tension-over-likely-clash-between-defence-minister-service-chiefs/
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Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by GboyegaD(m): 11:49pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Our wahala plenty. If they are not willing to serve under him, they should resign. 3 Likes |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by SosaMontana(m): 11:54pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
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Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by conundrum(m): 12:08am On Nov 17, 2015 |
"Lubbish" post from a jobless speculator. Where's my raayah? 2 Likes |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by Nobody: 12:09am On Nov 17, 2015 |
But PMB knows about all these and he still decided to field a Junior officer as Defense minister. Something has to be done fast as a result of necessity. 1 Like |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by mikolo80: 12:14am On Nov 17, 2015 |
GboyegaD:unless that was the plan all along it doesn't work that way. even though appointment supersedes seniority he needs to handle it with tact. |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by menix(m): 12:20am On Nov 17, 2015 |
If they like make them kill themselves.. E no go affect price of Garri or bring back our gals.. |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by ki02020(m): 12:28am On Nov 17, 2015 |
If there is passion for Service all these seniority matter will be a non issue |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by Nobody: 12:29am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Power tussle. The Defence Minister will certainly top in this scenario. His authority flows directly from the Presidency. Plainly put, he acts in the capacity of the President in overseeing our military operations. Any service chief whose ego is overblown should deflate it quickly or simply sign off quietly! Case dismissed! 1 Like |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by Vivalavida99(f): 12:31am On Nov 17, 2015 |
It is not for the service chiefs to resign, bubu goofed by appointing a junior officer to head his seniors and more experienced officers in the military hairachy. Only in Nigeria you see such a lopsided appointment, a country of anything goes. Smh! 1 Like |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by Nobody: 12:35am On Nov 17, 2015 |
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Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by LordMecuzy(m): 12:41am On Nov 17, 2015 |
There's nothing there if they really want to work for the good of this country... After all during GEJ era the NSA wasn't a General and Jonathan used him more than the Minister Aliyu Gusau and the service Chiefs respected him... Corruption in the military needs to be tackled. 1 Like |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by donphilopus: 12:48am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Hadn't been Abdulrahman Dambazzau was made the Minister of Defence, I'm sure these journalists wouldn't have seen something of such to publish. Anyway, Buhari understands why he made Dan Ali the Minister of Defence instead of Dambazzau. #MeNoBelieveThisInfoSha 1 Like |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by rusher14: 1:10am On Nov 17, 2015 |
If Koro a "bloody civilian" can intimidate a Brigadier General then this is a non-issue. |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by GboyegaD(m): 6:36am On Nov 17, 2015 |
mikolo80: It is a choice ooo. They either follow his instructions or resign. I wonder when people will learn to accept things they have no control over. |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by HAH: 6:51am On Nov 17, 2015 |
The defence minister should retire 1 or 2 of his so called seniors so that other will know he means business and he is now their senior, if they know he is no nonsense those who a clever will show loyalty. Never outshine your master according to laws of power. Is God that gives position |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by Nobody: 7:32am On Nov 17, 2015 |
We are in democracy; the service chiefs should obey civilian authority or resign. All that is required to be commander-in-chief according to Nigerian constitution is a school leaving certificate. And that C-in-C is to issue orders to service chiefs and all security apparatus. |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by ishiamu(m): 8:12am On Nov 17, 2015 |
donphilopus: That's cos it's against ya party that's why you won't believe |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by drss(m): 9:03am On Nov 17, 2015 |
has d new ''i too sabi defence minister'' locate buari's waec certificate |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by mikolo80: 3:12pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
GboyegaD:o boy leave dat thing o. you don't play with army morale like dat. they know how to 'strike ' better than any labor union once you insult them, they take it personal. minimah is a case in point. morale dropped in the army when 12 of his seniors were retired because of favouritism and tribalism. not easy to toy with merit where life and death is concerned. soldiers Will never follow an incompetent into battle. it's even better in peace time. now that Boko is on the lose na to just allow them de bomb Abuja and daura anyhow anyhow the message Will be gotten. more than one way to skin a cat |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by TCD: 3:56pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
the journalists who wrote this article have no sense at all and should be ashamed of themselves . are they saying if Dan Ali had become the president there will be issues with the military top brass as they "cannot" take orders from their junior who is now C in C? what arrant nonsense. By virtue of the office Dan Ali holds he is superior to them and they are to take orders from him. Even if Buhari appointed a retired coporal to be defence minister it's non of their business, they are to respect that office irrespective of who is there . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by GboyegaD(m): 6:59pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
mikolo80: What morale are you referring to? Is anyone bigger than an institution? I still maintain "whoever is not comfortable with the minister should resign". Fact remains that a Ministerial position is a political appointment and once whoever is appointed meets the minimum criterion required, then he is fit to be in the position. |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by mikolo80: 10:59pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
GboyegaD:the minister is not bigger than the 'institution ' of the army I am telling you that human beings are not machines if you mistreat them (humiliation) they treat your fuckup would you take orders from your junior in your office a woman insulted her driver and she cannot drive he left her stranded in the middle of nowhere she doesn't insult drivers anymore you mistreat your bakers and they will mix your dough and abandon it and you you mistreat soldiers during war and you will get shot in the back your choice |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by GboyegaD(m): 12:03am On Nov 18, 2015 |
mikolo80: There's no mistreatment here. It would be a mistreatment if a civilian was appointed to the post or someone who never rose through the ranks. In every profession(institution), there is a rank you get to from which you can head the profession (institution). |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by mikolo80: 12:20am On Nov 18, 2015 |
GboyegaD:they don't mind a civilian but a junior is the ultimate humiliation. I used to be one of them so I can talk with some authority. strangers we can handle, but subordinates Will not work it's like making nurse health minister what rank are you talking about once my army number pass yours you're my junior till death 1 Like |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by GboyegaD(m): 8:02am On Nov 18, 2015 |
mikolo80: Then it is a personal issue you should deal with and I'm not sure everyone will deal with it in same way. |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by mikolo80: 2:35pm On Nov 18, 2015 |
GboyegaD:wanna bet. ask any regular officer,not short service any officer, and come back after asking ten. tell me ratio of yes to no |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by tafabaloo(m): 3:21pm On Nov 18, 2015 |
Hmmm k |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by GboyegaD(m): 12:34am On Nov 19, 2015 |
mikolo80: Are those who come in through short service not officers |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by mikolo80: 1:01am On Nov 19, 2015 |
GboyegaD:hence the modifier,' regular', you're a civilian you won't understand suffice to say, levels de some officers are more equal than others |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by GboyegaD(m): 1:36am On Nov 19, 2015 |
mikolo80: I hear you. Keep basking in your self elevation. |
Re: Tension Over Likely Clash Between Defence Minister, Service Chiefs by mikolo80: 4:48am On Nov 19, 2015 |
GboyegaD:like I said, you won't understand. |
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