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Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by Nobody: 5:20pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Empiree:I still don't agree with that view. Instead I'd rather it be that differentiation is made between the nafilat commanded by Rasulullah (saw) and the ones that were often offered by him (saw). Neglecting naflnafilAts like attahiyatul masjid, funeral prayer, prayer for rain, eclipse prayer e. T. C will constitute disobedience to Rasulullah (saw) Sunnah nafilAts like duha, tahajud can actually be ignored if a person so wishes. 1 Like |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by Empiree: 5:53pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
enieme:No big deal |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 10:45am On Dec 22, 2015 |
vedaxcool: It is obligatory to distinguish your Islam, Allah says in the Holy Qur'aan - On the Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection) when some faces will become white and some faces will become black; as for those whose faces will become black (to them will be said): "Did you reject Faith after accepting it? Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting Faith." (Aali 'Imraan 3:106) "Taswaddu Wujooh: Ahlul-Bid'ah; wa Tabyaddu Wujooh: Ahlus-Sunnati wal-Jamaa'ah (Some faces that Day will be dark and they are Ahlul- Bid'ah, and some faces that Day will be white and they are Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah). This is from Ibn 'Abbas himself, the companion of Allaah's Messenger (salallaahu 'alaihin wa sallam). The Prophet (peace be upon him) made distinctions between t he generality of the Muslims and the Muslims who are upon the truth in numerous relations - in a narration the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihin wa sallam) called the Muslims who will be upon truth "Ghuraba (Strangers)" in another hadith's "Jama'ah, Sawaadul a'dham (the main body)." And. many of the Salaf of this Ummah use to call their selves ""I am Atharee," or "Ashabul-Hadeeth," or "Ahlus-Sunnah wal jama'ah. If you still don't get it, this is a beautiful illustration Ustadh Adedokun wrote Why Salafi? Long ago, there was only Adam 'alayhissalaam and there was no need to describe him as white, black, Caucasian, Yoruba, Hausa etc. He was simply Adam. Then his progeny multiplied and took on different pigments and tongues and so on, and there arose the need that did not exist before: to describe people with any of these differences merely as a means of identification - now that there were differences. Allah approves of this in Qur'aan 49:13. Also long ago, Muslims around the Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wasallam were upon the same creed, the pure Islam that he taught them had no multiple colours of creed. The word ' Muslim' described only one type of creed in people. Then innovation appeared in creed after the death of 'Umar the second caliph when some Muslims with a strange creed killed 'Uthman the third caliph. Another group with a different creed claimed that Ali was the reincarnation of Allah and displayed hatred for other companions, a third group denounced the attributes of Allah and further groups appeared in the course of time with new creeds fulfilling the Prophet's prediction that we would become 73 groups. Because the people in these different groups could not all be called outright unbelievers (kuffaar) without some details and conditions being first fulfilled, the word Muslim was no longer descriptive enough of an individual's creed since some of those people with different creeds still had the minimum quality required to be called Muslim. There was now new need to call the first group khaarijites, the second Shee'aan Ali, the third Jahmeeyyah/Mu'tazilah and other heretical creeds and names followed, as opposed to those who remained upon the original pristine creed taught by the Messenger to our forebears (Assalaf) before the corruption. If the word Salafi (a person taking his creed from the earliest predecessors) is now used only descriptively to refer to that single group, I sincerely cannot understand what problem people have with the name. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by Empiree: 1:00pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
^Kenny, your post up there is just twisted upside down. You are just trying to cleanse 'salafism'. This is a twisted ideology bruh 2 Likes |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 3:44pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
Empiree: My post is tangled according to your reasoning? Yh it is. Like a brother said some of us hate spiders, but leave cobwebs around the house. Y'all want Muslim unity but belong to MSS, TMC, NASFAT and the rest. Some funny ones even do Sufism and Shiism! Empiree if Salafis are just one sect and you don't belong there, you must necessarily belong to one of the other 72 for the Prophet (Peace be upon him) never lied. What do you say? If you know your sect, why not write about it, if you claim rather not to belong to any sect or group, please explain the hadith below: It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).” Kindly reconcile that with the hadith above as your 'no sect' suggests a 74th group or that you fall completely outside the fold of Muslims. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by Empiree: 5:09pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
kennyosein:This is why i shunned salafism. Now, the reason i cant and dont belong to any sect is bcus of this verse of Glorious Quran: [size=13pt]"As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did."[/size] 6:159 There is no doubt the hadith that talks about 73 sects is authentic for obvious reason. However, it is clear that salafis can not properly deduce correct methodology by reconciling the ayah of Quran above and the hadith you cited. Correct methodology is Quran sits in judgement over the hadith. The hadith you quoted is never encouraging sectarianism. It's mere prophecy. It's not ordering Muslims to join sects. This is very wrong. This shows that salafi interpreted the hadith literally. In that case your methodology is in conflict with Quran. Another verse of Glorious Quran also warned you (30:32) Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself! So you basically rejoice by cleansing salafism as the 'only' saved sect and you rejoice doing that. You placed second source (hadith) over primary source (Quran). |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 6:53pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do. Tafsir Ibn Kathir His saying: (Of those who Farraqu Dinahum (split up their religion), and became sects, each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.) means, do not be of the idolators who split up their religion, i.e., changed it by believing in parts of it and rejecting other parts. Some scholars read this as Faraqu Dinahum, meaning "neglected their religion and left it behind them.'' These are like the Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, idol worshippers and all the followers of false religions, besides the followers of Islam, as Allah says: (Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects, you have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah) (6:159). The followers of the religions before us had differences of opinions and split into false sects, each group claiming to be following the truth. This Ummah too has split into sects, all of which are misguided apart from one, which is Ahlus- Sunnah Wal-Jama`ah, those who adhere to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah and what was followed by the first generations, the Companions, their followers, and the Imams of the Muslims of earlier and later times. In his Mustadrak, Al-Hakim recorded that the Messenger of Allah was asked which of the sects was the saved sect and he said: What I and my Companions are upon. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by Empiree: 7:26pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
^ this is just tafsir now. Doesnt address what you doing. Are other sects in Islam going to hell except THE SALAFIS? |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 8:32pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
Empiree: Read the thread again |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by AlBaqir(m): 7:48am On Dec 23, 2015 |
kennyosein: If that is the definition of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama'ah, then are Ahlu Sunnah under one Imam, one Umbrella to make them "ONE" out of 73 sects? It is not a rocket science to know the sub-sectarianism in Aqeedah and Fiqh among the Ahlu Sunnah and each sect claims to be on the right path while accusing other of misguidance. So which sect of Ahlu Sunnah exactly are you referring to? Are you afraid to say "Salafiyah" or "Wahabiyah"? kennyosein: Hadith Sahih. And it means anything said or done by any sahabi that is not approved by the Prophet is among the misguidance from the 72 heretic religion. For anything to be said to be on the right path, it must be What I and my Companions are upon. So Mr Kenny, you better start counting many of your heretic practices that were ONLY established by sahabah never the prophet. 1 Like |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 11:35am On Dec 23, 2015 |
This is one of the nuttiest thing, I used to see in this section, a shia who used to spend his bulk of time refuting "wahhabism" "Salafism" and trying to prove the validity of shi'ism pathway through the Kutub al-Sittah. The Messenger of Allaah ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ said, "Certainly, the one who will live among you will see lots of differences. So stick to my sunnah and the sunnah of the right-principled and rightly-guided successors. Bite onto that with your molar teeth. Imam Malik said that someone who finds in himself an ill-feeling or anger "ghaiDH" about the Companions is a kafir because Allah says " li-yagheeDHa bihim ul kuffar " - that He may enrage the disbelievers with them , i.e. the Sahaba [48:29]. And the `Ulama' also say if the Companions of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) were disbelievers, dishonest or betrayed the Prophet, then the whole religion would be undermined. Because how do we know what the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said, if the Companions of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) were not honest and truthful? We cannot be sure. And this also applies to the Qur'an, as we received the Qur'an through the Sahaba as well. Indeed, they were truthful and sincere. And the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, " The sign of faith is love of the Ansar and the sign of hypocrisy is the hatred of Ansar" [al-Bukharee, Muslim]. And he also said, "Do not abuse my Companions, for if any of you were to spend gold equal to (mountain of) Uhud in charity, it would not equal a handful of one of them or even half of that " [al- Bukharee, Muslim]. And he said, "Whoever abuses my Companions, upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people " [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee]. May Allah count us among the sincere ones. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by AlBaqir(m): 3:50pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
kennyosein: You can gladly add that to the lists of your fantasy. Address the main issue and stop beating round the bush or keep quiet. Again which sect of Ahlu Sunnah is on the right path? kennyosein: Ma sha Allah RIGHTLY GUIDED KHALIFAH?! 1. WHO WERE THEY 2. HOW MANY WERE THEY? Bring sahih evidence from ANY book of your ahadith to attempt any of those question. Dem no born you well, you will run away. kennyosein: Who Are the People of the LEFT HAND? What does Quran says about people of the people of the left? {"And you will be three kinds. So, companions of the Right hand, who will be companions of the Right hand? And companions of the left hand, who will be companions of the left hand? And those foremost will be foremost} [Q.56:7-10]. Allah continues: {And companions of the Left hand, who will be companions of the left hand? In FIERCE HOT WIND AND BOILING WATER AND SHADOW OF BLACK SMOKE, NEITHER COOL NOR GOOD"}[Q.56:41-44] Quran gives further details: {And those who disbelieved in Our verses, they will be companions of the Left hand. The FIRE will be shut over them}[Q.90:19-20]. Are The Sahabah Among the People of the LEFT HAND? # Imam al-Bukhari reports: Abd Allah ibn Abbas reported the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, saying: "You will be resurrected bare-footed, naked and uncircumcised.” Then he recited: {As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: a promise We have undertaken. Truly, We shall do it} [Q.21:104]. He continued: “The first to be dressed will be Ibrāhīm. Then, some of my Ṣaḥābah will be taken towards the right side AND (some) TOWARDS THE LEFT SIDE. So, I will say: 'My Ṣaḥābah!' It will be said, "THEY HAD BEEN APOSTATES SINCE YOU LEFT THEM." I will then say as the Righetous Servant, 'Īsā b. Maryam, said: {And I was a witness over them whilst I lived amongst them. But, when You caused me to die, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, You, only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise} [5:117-118].” Muḥammad b. Yūsuf narrated from Abū 'Abd Allāh that Qubayṣah said: “They were those who apostatized during the time of Abū Bakr. So, Abū Bakr, may Allāh be pleased with him, fought them.” Ref: {al-Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhari (Beirut: Dār Ibn Kathīr; 3rd edition, 1407 H) [annotator: Dr. Muṣṭafā Dīb al-Baghā], vol. 3, p. 1271, # 3263} NOTE: While Qubaysah [in the above hadith] is giving an impression to absolve some Sahaba that lived with the Prophet of apostasy, other ahadith dispel this myth of an opinion. # For example, Imam Muslim record as reported by Anas ibn Malik: 'The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, “Some persons from amongst those who kept me company will meet me at the LakeFount (in Qiyamat). I will see them, and they will be presented to me. Then, they will be forced away from me. I will say: 'O my Lord, my Sahabah! My Sahabah." It will be said to me: 'You do not know what they INNOVATED after you." Ref: {Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim (Beirut: Dār Iḥyā al-Turāth al-'Arabī) [annotator: Muḥammad Fuād 'Abd al-Bāqī], vol. 4, p. 1800, # 2304(40)} # Second, Allah further exposed the hypocrisy of some of the Sahaba. The Prophet was warned never to be fooled by their glittering, innocent and fascinated outlook and eloquent speech {Surah al-Munafiq: 4}. They were cursed by Allah. Then, Allah talked about the hidden Munafiq (hypocrites) among the Sahaba not even known to the Prophet: "And from among those who are round about you (O Prophet) of the Dwellers of the Desert there are hypocrites, and from among the people of Medina (also). They are stubborn in hypocrisy; you do not know them" We know them. We will chastise them twice, then shall they be turned back to a grievous chastisement” {surah al-Tawbah: 101} So, obviously some COMPANIONS will NEVER make it to Jannah because they were hypocrites and the apostatized and committed Bid'ah. Sometimes I wonder if you guys ever read your books of ahadith well, or Quran. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by AlBaqir(m): 3:54pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
^Do you need more of those ahadith (i.e Hadith al-Hawd) that exposed some Sahabah will be cast away from Jannah? |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 6:37pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam): “The best of people are my Companions.” Al-Bukhaaree and others have reported this hadeeth. I knew sooner or later you'll expose your creed and as usual to you all the Companions were Kafir except Ahlu-baith. A Sahaabee (Companion) is anyone that met the Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) while believing in him, and dying upon that condition. Perchance you didn't know the definition of Sahaabee Shaykhul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, may Allah have mercy on him, said: “The scholars have unanimously agreed that the Raafidhah are the most dishonest and untruthful of all sects . The quality of dishonesty is noted amongst them from their very beginnings, that is why scholars have noted them to be liars .” Ash’hab b. Abdul-Azeez said: I asked Imaam Maalik, may Allah have mercy on him, about the Raafidhah and he said: “Do not speak to them nor narrate anything from them, for they are dishonest.” 1 Like |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by AlBaqir(m): 7:51pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
kennyosein: Who are the ANSAR( HELPERS)? These are the people of Madina who helped and accommodated the Prophet and the Muhajir (the pilgrims). How True Is This Hadith that loving the Ansar is a sign of believe and hating them is hypocrisy? 1. Quran contradict this hadith Quran says: "And from among those who are round about you of the dwellers of the desert there are hypocrites, and from among the people of Medina (also); they are stubborn in hypocrisy; you do not know them; We know them; We will chastise them twice then shall they be turned back to a grievous chastisement"{surah Tawbah: 101} # If Allah Himself confirmed hypocrites, in fact staunch hypocrites, existed among the people of Madina, how is it EVER possible for the Prophet to say loving the ANSAR is a sign of believe and hating them is hypocrisy? 2. The hadith also contradict other sahih ahadith # Imam Muslim records: 'Ali said: "I swear by the One Who split up the seed and created something living, the Ummi Prophet verily informed me that NONE loves me except a believer and that NONE hates me except a hypocrite." Ref: {Sahih Muslim (Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-Arabi)[annotator: Muhammed Fuad Abd al-Baqi], vol.1, p.86, #131(78)} # Imam al-Tirmidhi also documents: Ali: The Ummi Prophet, peace be upon him, had informed me saying, NONE loves you except a believer and NONE hates you except a hypocrite Al-Tirmidhi states: This hadith is Hasan Sahih Allamah al-Albani confirms: Sahih Ref: {al-Jami al-Sahih Sunan al-Tirmidhi (Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-Arabi)[annotator: Muhammed Nasir al-Din al-Albani], vol.5, p.643, #3736} # Imam Ahmad also records: Ali, may Allah be pleased with him: The Prophet, peace be upon him, informed me saying, "None loves you except a believer, and none hates you except a hypocrite". Shayk al-Arnaut comments: Its Chain is Sahih upon the standard of the two Shaykhs [Bukhari and Muslim] Ref: {Musnad (Cairo: Muasassat Qurtubah)[annotator: Shu'ayb al-Arnaut], vol. 1, p.128, #1062}. NB: The word "NONE" automatically include ALL the Sahabah of whom the ANSAR were part of. The following hadith approved this definition of "NONE": # Imam Ahmad (d. 241H) documents: Abd Allah (b. Ahmad) - my father (Ahmad b. Hanbal) - Aswad b. Amir - Israil - al-A'mash - Abu Salih - Abu Sa'id al-Khudri: We (the Sahabah) were able to recognize the hypocrites among the Ansar only through their hatred of 'Ali. Ref: {Abu Abd Allah Ahmad b. Hanbal al-Shaybani, FADAIL SAHABAH (Beirut: Muasassat al-Risalah, 1st edition 1403 H)[annotator: Dr. Wasiyullah Muhammed Abbas], vol.2, p.579, #979.} Prophet corrected a Sahabi, an Ansari Imam Ahmad documents: ...Abd Allah b. Buraydah - my father, Buraydah: I hated Ali with hatred that I never hated anyone else...And he (the Prophet) said (to me), "Do you hate Ali?" I said, "Yes". He said, "Do not hate him, and if you love him, then increase your love for him"....Therefore, after the statement of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, there was no person among all mankind who was more beloved to me than Ali." Shayk al-Ar'naut: It is a Sahih hadith, and this chain is Hasan due to Abd al-Jalil. Ref: {Musnad (Cairo: Muasassat Qurtubah)[annotator: Shu'ayb al-Arnaut], vol. 5, p.350, #23017}. Conclusion: The hadith in examination (about loving or hating the Ansar) is nothing but a myth as it contradicted not only the Quran but other ahadith. kennyosein: Quran {surah Tawbah: 68} reads: "Allah has promised the hypocrites men and the hypocrites women and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; it is enough for them; and Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment." Now that Allah has unveiled that there were Munafiq among the Sahabah who will be chastised in Hell FOREVER, don't you think the word "my sahabah" does not include every sundry of the Sahabah? # Allah even cursed the Munafiq of whom were some Sahabah as Quran exposed. 1 Like |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by AlBaqir(m): 8:26pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
kennyosein: Absolutely the best of people are the Sahabah of the prophet NEVER THE MUNAFIQUN AND THE RENEGADE AMONG THEM. It is only liars that will continue claiming ALL sahabah are good and people of Jannah. If the Prophet uses the word "Sahabah", he never meant ALL of them because he has used the word "sahabah" both in good way and bad way just like Quran confirmed there were Sahabah who were the best (Quran 9:100) and there were some who were staunch hypocrites who will rotten in hell (Quran 9:101). kennyosein: You know that the lies your shuyukh keep on feeding you guys and in turn you the students keep on spreading the lies. For the record, Shia never said ALL sahabah were Kufar except the Ahlulbayt. This is the fantasy of your creed. kennyosein: Can you cite any evidence for your fraud definition? Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani defined Sahabi as anyone who met or sees the prophet EVEN FOR A DAY. # By you adding the underlined, were the Munafiq not believed (apparently) in the prophet to the fact that even prophet never knew many of them yet Allah promised them hell? None of the Munafiq renounced his Sahadatain outwardly. # Hadith al-hawd where prophet shouted "my sahabah! My sahabah!" when some of the Sahabah were chase away from the way to paradise and prophet was told "they had apostatized and practiced Bid'ah" after you left them also debunk your fantasy definition. kennyosein: How do I care of a man (Ibn Taymiyyah) whom the whole of Ulama of his time condemned as Heretic?! kennyosein: # For your information, Imam Bukhari and Muslim in their respected Sahih narrated LOTS of ahadith from RAFIDAH (SHIA). Likewise many many Sunni Imams of ahadith in their Sahih, Musnads and others. Imam al-Dhahabi confirmed in his boogeyed definition of Shiism: "The minor Bid'ah like extreme Shiism, or like moderate Shiism, for this was widespread among the Tabi'in and their followers, despite their devotion, piety and truthfulness. If the ahadith of these people were rejected, part of teachings of the Prophet would be lost, and that would be a clear evil" Ref: Mizan al-I'tidal fi Naqd al-Rijal, vol.1, p.5-6, #2. # Do you want samples of Shi'i (Rafidah) narrators in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim? Kindly challenge that and in sha Allah I will load you with as many as you want. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 9:11pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
Allaah says - And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhajirun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success. Qur'aan 9 vs 100. And today you call them disbelievers and hypocrites. Expose yourself more cuz I know you don't even belief in the Qur'aan, stop the pretense. The Shia scholar, An- Nooree at-Tabreesee (d. 1320H) in his book, Faslul-Khitaab fee lthbaat Tahreefi Kitaabil-Arbaab Al-Kulainee mentions in Usoolul-Kaafee (2/242) that the Qur’aan that was brought by Jibraa’eel to Muhammad (salallaahu ‘alaihi wassallam) had seventeen thousand verses. This means that the Qur’aan the Raafidah claim was revealed is more than what is with us today, because what we have before us today consists of just over six thousand Ayahs! And it is Allaah who has promised to preserve it. "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian.” (al-Hijr 15:9). Even your explanation to the Qur’aanic and Hadith's commentary is misguided. The shias explain it in accordance to their desires. And indeed the noble Sahaabee ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (May Allaah be pleased with him) was one the Companions of the Prophet (Peace be upon him)what was his response to your bogus claim - It was narrated that Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah (who was the son of ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib) said: “I said to my father, ‘Which of the people was the best after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?’ He said, 'Abu Bakr.’ I said, ‘Then who?’ He said, 'Then ‘Umar.’ I was afraid that he would say ‘Uthmaan. I said, ‘Then is it you?’ He said, ‘I am only one of the Muslims.’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3671. It was narrated that ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “No one is brought to me who regards me as superior to Abu Bakr and ‘Umar but I will punish him with a beating like a fabricator.” Shaykh al-Islam bn Taymiyah said: It was narrated that he used to speak from the minbar of Kufa and say that the best of this ummah after our Prophet was Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar. This was narrated from him via more than eighty isnaads, and it was narrated by al-Bukhaari and others. Hence the earlier Shi’ah all used to agree that Abu Bakr and ‘Umar were superior, as has been mentioned by more than one. Manhaaj al-Sunnah , 1/308. Narrated by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad, 839. And Shaykh Shu’ayb al-Arna’oot said: its isnaad is qawiy. These ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and these reports from the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) all testify to the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, amongst whom there is no dispute concerning it, that the best of this ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him), then ‘Umar. May Allaah be pleased with all of the Sahaabah. But the grimy shias in the Shee’ah book Miftaah al-Jinaan of Abbaas al-Qummee there occurs a supplication of the Shee’ah scholars directed against Abu Bakr and Umar and their two daughters ‘Aa’ishaa and Hafsah (radi Allaahu ‘anhum), both wives of the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wassallam). They consider these as legislated supplications in the morning and the evening, wherein they utter: “O Allaah, send peace upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad - and curse the two idols of Quraish, their two magicians, their two false deities, and likewise their slanderous daughters, those who opposed your commands.. (etc.)” (Rijaal al- Kashshee, p. 114). They also refer to Abu Bakr and ‘Umar (radi Allaahu ‘anhumaa) as “Fir'awn and Haamaan!” (See Quratul-‘Ayn of al-Kaashaanee, p. 432-433). Mu’mal b. Ahaab said: I heard Yazid b. Haroon saying: "Write the narrations of every man of Bid’ah who is not openly professing it or calling others to it except the Raafidhah, for they are liars.” Muhammad b. Sa’eed al-Asbahani said: I heard Shuraik saying: “I take the knowledge from everyone that I meet, except from the Raafidhah, for they fabricate narrations and see it a religious duty to do this.” May Allaah protect the Ummah from the wicked beliefs of the Shi’ite religion and grant the leadership of this country the power and courage to wipe them out from this country. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by AlBaqir(m): 10:00pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
kennyosein: That bolded part is nothing but a fraud translation. Quran says "MINA al-muhajirna wal Ansar" meaning "FROM AMONG the Muhajirin and Ansar". # Even with this ONLY verse, it is crystal clear Allah NEVER praised nor promised ALL of Muhajirin and Ansar paradise rather "FROM AMONG THEM". # The very next verse (101), dealt a deadly blow to your creed that ALL Sahabah will make it to Jannah. Unfortunately the hypocrisy in you made you hide it and post verse 100 with a distorted translation. kennyosein: Trust the Salafiyah, they sabi how to derail from main topic especially when they have NO clue to counter their opponent's point of view. You derailed many times and I've debunk your myths with NO reasonable reply from you to counter. Sorry, NO more derailing - we are not talking about whether Quran is complete or not here. Neither are we talking about Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman. If you forgot, the question is: With different sects and sub-sects of Ahlu sunnah wal jama'ah, which one exactly is the right ONE that will make it to Jannah? |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 7:38am On Dec 24, 2015 |
AlBaqir: |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 8:01am On Dec 24, 2015 |
quote author=AlBaqir post=41286082] If you forgot, the question is: With different sects and sub-sects of Ahlu sunnah wal jama'ah, which one exactly is the right ONE that will make it to Jannah?[/quote] As for you question - there is no sect or subsect of Ahlu Sunnah wal jama'ah. The term Wahhabism or Al Wahabiyah it is attributed to Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab, this name is not a name that it's followers call rather it is name which was coined by shia and those who were against it. As for the Salafiyah it is a methodology which follows the Salafussalih, and there is no difference with what is known as Ahlu Sunnah wal jama'ah. Why don't you let us talk about shi'ism coz I read the part you said Shi'ism is not about sect. Ghulat sects Bazighiyya– who believed that Ja'far al-Sadiq was God . Dhammiyya– who believed that Ali was God and Muhammad was his appointed Messenger and Prophet. Ghurabiyya – who believed the angel Gabriel was mistaken when passing on the prophecy to Muhammad instead of Ali. Ya’furiyya – who believed in reincarnation and that a man named Mu’ammar al-Kufi was their Lord. Kaysanites – who believed in the Imamate of Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah after the death of Husayn Ibn 'Ali Ibn abu Talib . Hurufiyya– who believed God is incarnated in every atom, reminiscent of the Alevi -Bektashism . Nuqtavites– who believed in a cyclical view of time, reminiscent of the Isma'ili Shia . Soldiers of Heaven – who believed that their former leader Dia Abdul Zahra Kadim (died 2007 CE) was the Mahdi and reincarnation of Ali ibn Abi Talib . Zaydi Shia sects Dukayniyya– who believed Muhammad’s followers fell into unbelief after his death because they did not uphold the Imamate of Ali. Jarudiyya – who believed the companions were sinful in failing to recognise Ali as the legitimate Caliph. They became extinct in Iran and Iraq but still survive in Yemen under the Hadawi sub-sect. Khalafiyya– who believed in a unique line of Imams after Zayd ibn Ali ibn Husayn Ibn 'Ali bn abu Talib , starting with a man named Abd al-Samad and continuing with his descendants. Khashabiyya – who believed that the Imamate must remain only among the descendents of Hasan and Husayn, even if that Imam is ignorant, immoral and tyrannical. Tabiriyya/Butriyya/Salihiyya – who believed the companions , including Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman , had been in error in failing to follow Ali , but it did not amount to sin . Nizârî Ismâ`îlî sect - which holds the doctrine of an infallible imam who is decreed to be from the descendants of Muhammad b. Ismâ`îl. They attribute to this imâm characteristics that raise him to the status of a deity. They claim that he possesses exclusive knowledge of hidden matters and pay to him a fifth of their income. Wow, you guys are so full shits, Shias are filthy people, it was no stupefaction when Shaykhul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, may Allah have mercy on him, said: "As for the Raafidhah, the origin of their deviation tems from disbelief, infidelity, and lying . They themselves state this by saying: “Our Deen is Tuqyah. ” Tuqyah refers to concealing in the heart other than that which you tell people. This is lying and hypocrisy as well.” May Allaah safe-guide us on the straight path. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 9:31am On Dec 24, 2015 |
The Jews and Christians are better that Raafidahah, for when the Jews were asked who the best of all Jews were, they replied: "The Companions of Musa" and when Christians were asked who the best of all Christians were they said the Companions of Jesus. And when Raafidhah were asked who the worst among them were, they said the Companions of Prophet Mohammed ( ﷺ ). Minhaj as-Sunnah, Shaikh ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah1/24 may Allah have mercy on him. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by BETATRON(m): 9:54am On Dec 24, 2015 |
kennyosein:salaam...this your statement is funny oh..muslims are not in any way obliged to reason in cohesion with the non-muslim The statement is as funny as saying the jews and christians are better than muslims because the christians belief christ is the son of God and jews belief ezra is, but muslims say God has no son What should constitute a muslim's believe is what is true and not what is accepted by the majority Where ibn taymiyyah got it wrong is shias don't tag the entire companions of the prophet as bad people or as hypocrites--what shias say is some of the companions are hypocritical Cause shias actually respect and make reference to a great number of the sahabahs,,few of which are salman al-farisi(salman al-muhammadi),abu dharr et al And this statement(some of the companions are hypocrites) in itself is in unison with the Holy koran--examples of those verses include [Quran 48:29] "Muhammad - the messenger of God - and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, as they seek God's blessings and approval. Their marks are on their faces, because of prostrating. This is the same example as in the Torah. Their example in the Gospel is like plants that grow taller and stronger, and please the farmers. He thus enrages the disbelievers. God promises THOSE AMONG THEM who believe, and lead a righteous life, forgiveness and a great recompense." [Quran 9:101] Among the Aarabs around you, there are hypocrites. Also, among the city dwellers, there are those who are accustomed to hypocrisy. You do not know them, but we know them. We will double the retribution for them, then they end up committed to a terrible retribution. [Quran 63:1] When the hypocrites come to you they say, "We bear witness that you are the messenger of God."* God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars. " |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 7:35am On Dec 25, 2015 |
Ayyub Al-Sakhtiyani (130H): Whoever loves Abu
Bakr has upheld the religion, whoever loves ‘Umar
has made the way clear, whoever loves ‘Uthman
is enlightened by the light of Allah, and whoever
loves ‘Ali has taken the firmest handhold.
Whoever speaks well of the Companions of
Allah’s Messenger – Allah’s peace and blessings
be upon him – is clear of hypocrisy (nifaq), but
whoever belittles any one of them or dislikes [any
one of them] for something he did, then he is a
heretic (mubtadi’), an opponent of the Sunnah and
the SALAF (Righteous Predecessors), and it is
feared that none of his deeds will be raised to the
heavens until he loves all of [the Companions]
and his heart is clear towards them.
[Ibn Abi Zamanin, Usul Al-Sunnah article 189] 1 Like |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by IdisuleOurOwn(m): 4:21pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
kennyosein: Aslm brother. Can you please explain the above Hadith? Demmzy15. |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by Empiree: 5:02pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
author=kennyosein post=41322187]Zionists will eventually use you and your cohorts in naijeria to cause trouble. And you will work for them unconsciously. Keep beating drums of war. |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 5:44pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
Waleikum Salam, This is a statement of Shaikh ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah not to be confused with the sayings of the Messenger of Allaah ( ﷺ ). The messages is explicit but I will still try to paraphrase it with my teeny understanding. "Who is the best among your nation?" They said: "the companions of Moses." Then he asked the Christians so they replied: "the apostles of Jesus." Then he asked the Râfida "who is the worst among your nation?" They said: "the Companions of Muhammad" Allah said about Jews (after all the corruption that they did): "Of the people of Moses there is a/section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. " (Qur'an 7:159). Allah stated that of the Children of Israel there are some who follow the truth and judge by it, whereas the shia claimed all the Companions apostated after the Prophet (salallaahu ‘alaihi wassallam) except for three, those being: Miqdaad ibn Aswad, Abu Dharr al-Ghifaaree and Salmaan al-Faarisee.” Obviously the Shia allegations only connotes that the companions were not virtuous people and what does that says about their Leader ( ﷺ ). The Shia curse the Companions who are the righteous pattern to this Ummah and Allah bear witness for that: (Some part is due) to the indigent Muhajirs (the Companions who emigrated from Mecca) , those who were expelled from their homes and their property, while seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure, and aiding Allah and His Messenger: such are indeed the sincere ones ; But those who, before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith, show their affection to such as came to them for refuge, and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter) , but give them preference over themselves, even though poverty was their (own lot) . And those saved from the covetousness of their own souls; they are the ones that achieve prosperity. And those who came after them say: "Our Lord! Forgive us, and our brethren who came before us into the Faith, and leave not, in our hearts, rancour (or sense of injury) against those who have believed. Our Lord! Thou art indeed Full of Kindness, Most Merciful." (Qur'an Hashr: 8-10) 1 Like |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 6:07pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
Empiree: The Zionists only make use of the shia in causing corruption among the Muslims, right from the onset of Islam. These Rafid a (Shia) actually descend from Abu Lu'luah Majoosi (a Persian fire worshipper) and Abdullaah ibn Saba' (a Jew). However they are more dangerous from the Christians and Jews themselves. Christians and Jews fight Islam face to face (if they did) while Rafida stab Islam from its back. Salafis are peaceful Muslims, Salafis do not disobey with the ruler in all that agrees with the sacred texts of Islam, and disobeyed in all that does not. Salafis denounce public demonstrations Salafis do not even block the path of a begger much more a COAS. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 6:11pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
Empiree: |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by BETATRON(m): 7:17pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
kennyosein:you've failed to respond to the verses of the koran which shows that some of the companions were hypocrites ---it is also clearly stated in the koran that the people of moses exhibit hypocrisy,returning to their pagan worship after moses left them for 40 days---- How can the Allah refer to the whole of these people(including the hypocritical) as the best people--hence equaling them to those who are devoted and are true companions Also if is worth mentioning that even the koran never choose the companions of moses over his family --“Musa said: O Allah! Assign me a Vizier from my family, (that is) my brother Harun. Add to my strength through him, and make him share my task: that we may celebrate thy praise without stint… (Allah) said: “We granted your requests, O Musa” (20:29-36) Regarding prophets muhammad's house hold Allah states in the koran ---"...Allah desires to keep any uncleanness from you, o' people of the House and purify you with a perfect purification-koran33-33.---- If the ENTIRE sahabahs were the best people why wasn't a similar verse revealed about the entire sahabah's ---- Regarding abraham the koran states how Allah rewarded Abraham by giving him righteous progeny ( Abraham's prayer in quran14:39-40)---in Quran6vs74-87--even muhammad as we know is a descendant of abraham from his offspring and not his companions ---isn't it all logical for God who chose as the leaders of mankind the offsprings of abraham,,and chose harun as the vizier of moses to chose as the leaders of the muslim ummah prophet mohammad's offspring and descendants? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 7:59pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
BETATRON: I don't want to hassle with you. Allaahu musta’aan |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by Demmzy15(m): 9:46pm On Dec 25, 2015 |
kennyosein:W Salam bro IdisuleOurOwn |
Re: Why Call Yourself “salafi”? by kennyosein(m): 12:52pm On Dec 27, 2015 |
Al- Imam Aboo Bakr bin al-Khallal mentioned in his "Sunnah" (1/79): Ad-Dooree narrated to us: Aboo Kibran narrated to us: I heard ash-Shaybee say: Have love for the household & family of your Prophet and do not be raafidhee; and act by the Qur'aan and do not be harooree(Khaarijee); and know that whatever reaches you from good then its from Allaah, and whatever reaches from evil then it is from yourself and do not be a qadaree; and obey the Imam even if he is from Abyssinian" |
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