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Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Nobody: 6:06pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Bevista:this government still has not clearly defined how to rake in revenue from other sources because they are either clueless or sentimental...please with all sincerity tell me the likely sources other than oil that the fg hopes to get monies to fund the budget??...remember this government is also hoping on gas...as a supporter of the present government can you envisage realistic plans this government might have to generate much revenue(outside oil ad gas) and how they plan to go about it... |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Bevista: 6:21pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
IzonOwei:Fact is that no matter how much information I present to you, you are still going to screen such information through your prejudice. You will always believe what you have made up your mind to believe, and not necessarily the facts available. Nigeria has other revenue generating agencies like Customs, Ports Authority, NNPC, NIMASA, FAAN, NCC, FIRS, etc. The problem in the past was that most of the revenue generated by these agencies were diverted within government circles and never got to federation account. These monies alone can contribute significantly to the FG budget, which is what I think has happened now under PMB. Kindly note that South Africa with a much lesser GDP than Nigeria has a Federal Budget 5x that of Nigeria; their taxes alone is more than what Nigeria generates from oil. So that should tell you that the potential is there in Nigeria to generate more revenue, if only the government will be committed to transparency - something that was grossly lacking under GEJ. 1 Like |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Adminisher: 6:32pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
greatiyk4u:.The change is clear ..all the stolen money and lost opportunities by the PDP when oil was $124 per barrel is also very clear. Nigerians are not fools 1 Like |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by greatiyk4u(m): 6:45pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Adminisher: U re wise 1 Like |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Nobody: 6:46pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Bevista:so with all of this why havent we practiced true federalism??...why??...you know the answer....I want you to prove to yourself that this government remains clueless and still wants to depend on oil solely even if it sells 1 dollar per barrel... No matter how you blame gej who by the way through the confab has pushed for true fedralism ,nigeria would never get it right using the same template...lets wait and see where all the money will come from.. This budget as reported still hangs on oil.. |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by btoks: 7:00pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
There's got to be more income from elsewhere if we really want to grow rapidly as a country. That figure of 6tn naira is only about one fifth of the UK's Health Ministry budget! One wonders how these other countries get their income. We have a long way to go |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by tete7000(m): 7:01pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
seunmsg: Don't you think it is too early to judge? Why not wait until the end of fiscal year. Do we know how many of this kind of comments have been made in the life of this administration already and what are the realities on ground vis -a-vis electricity, security, refineries and fuel situation. My scripture says the end of a thing is better than the beginning thereof. I however wish this is true, it is laudable. I am however cautious. |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by tete7000(m): 7:04pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
btoks: They are highly industrialised, highly productive nations. We are not producers but a consumer nation. |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by NovusHomo(m): 7:10pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
4Play: It would not have been this way had El Stupido and his gang of daylight thieves not emptied the nation's treasury. 1 Like |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Bevista: 7:57pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
IzonOwei:I can understand your sentimental attachment to the Oil issue, and that is because you think it is your commodity. For the records, I am from Akwa Ibom State and the last time I checked we were contributing the most to Federation Account. There is absolutely nothing wrong if the budget hangs on oil. It has always been that way, even while GEJ was president. When GEJ was there, how many times did you speak about true federalism? It is obvious you are still pained by his defeat, but I would advise you to move on. He was a disgrace to his people and the entire SS. The country under PMB will be better for you, except you were a direct beneficiary of the corruption under GEJ. 2 Likes |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Ayoola171(m): 8:07pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Bevista:Good, correct, sharp and resonable analysis. Thank You. 1 Like |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Nobody: 8:07pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Bevista:i] have always pushed for true federalism...and from your replies I can swear youre not from the niger delta because if you were you would share my sentiments... ...you are south westerner or a northerner....go hide your head somewhere..you should root for what would benefit your people and not hoping on one old bigot whose people would rather die than allow the niger delta attain full resource control...let the country practice regionalism and let the other agencies youve mentioned push the other non oil producing states forward,...rubbish.... Gejs loss is not my problem, the fools like you who would sit back to wait for an hausa man to solve your problems using your own resources is...youre an enemy of the niger delta if you ever are one(I suspect youre lying through your teeth right now).. |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Nobody: 8:09pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
NovusHomo:that is what this completely clueless and incompetent government keeps telling you... |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Bevista: 8:21pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
IzonOwei:I will not join issues with you about ethnicity - you can believe what you want to believe. It is plain myopia to play the victim card and blame others for your woes. The money that comes to the ND from FAAC & NDDC is more than what goes to the entire north (- Kano), and yet the region is grossly underdeveloped. Is it the Hausas or the Yorubas that have been governing the region? You are scared to look your leaders in the eye and demand accountability. Have your governors attempted to look for any other source of revenue apart from oil? You are looking for solutions to your problems in the wrong place, and that is you may not find it soon. How much did the ND region invest in developing the Oil resources? Easy son, even your oil is soon becoming unfashionable. 1 Like |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Nobody: 8:31pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Bevista:we would solve our problems devoid of all the leeches who have from inception designed nigeria to not benefit the niger delta...we dont want the chicken change that gets to the niger delta, we want full resource control...our governors have messed up in the past that doesnt mean we can't get it right as a group...but with the whole of nigeria still waiting for the oil which you said is becoming unfashionable we would retrogress more...too many distractions... I repeat youre a fraud and not a niger deltan for not seeking trur federalism but hoping on an old slim man to get it right for you... You want to keep being a slave,,,...castigate the niger delta leaders and fight for your rights...rather you still want to hide under the hausa umbrella...nonsense... 1 Like |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by akigbemaru: 8:44pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
budget cuts down to 6 trillionnairas. |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Bevista: 8:45pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
IzonOwei:You are wrong son. In theory, nothing would please me more than full resource control, but in practice I know that it will all be a sham since the governors will become local emperors looting away everything. Before you know it, the local communities will want full resource control. There are are developed countries who attained greatness without any Natural resource, and yet there are many African countries with abundant natural resources that are still grossly underdeveloped. That should tell you where the problem & solution lies. South Sudan broke away with their oil and yet today they top the list of failed States. Before oil, were we not all depending on other cash crops - mainly from the north & west? Even within the Oil producing states, is it all L.Gs and communities that have oil? Assuming your community belongs among those that don't have, will you consider it fair for the core oil communities to want to control everything? |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by jomoh: 10:04pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
tbaba1234: A sensible president will never do that. It is a method deviced by the powerful west to perpetually enslave the third world countries. We have enough money both in the economy and the stolen ones that will fuel the budget. If you or anyone doubt me they can quote this comment. PMB will surprise most people next year with a lot of policies that will boost this nation. |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by ijebu2020: 10:07pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Keneking: U dey ask..Seun don send Him to go on and study about being an accurate and unbiased moderator in Japan....Unna Nairalanders too dey call d guy name , dts why Seun send am make Him go study more...lolz |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by adconline(m): 10:51pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Bevista:FEC doesn't approve budget.. GMB is still acting like we are in a military era. Appropriation is as exclusive preserve of the NASS, so GMB can't anticipate to spend money that's not captured as an income in the budget. From N8tn to N6tn= just 25% cut without any scrutiny??! Reality is now setting in!! We going see!!! |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Bevista: 10:55pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
adconline:Quite frankly, sometimes silence can be an effective way to hide ignorance. You can't comprehend what I'm about to write, so let me not bother. 1 Like |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by adconline(m): 11:16pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Bevista:Dear Dr Milton Friedman Keynes, Facts are sacrosanct, but opinions are free. Please lay out the facts without ur opinion for ignorant me to understand |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by kolokolobi(m): 11:18pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
My eyes gleaned at something like 30% of the 6T proposed budget going on capital expenditure. This is a statement and it's quite ambitious. The size of the budget itself against dwindling oil prices means a couple things. Either the government plans to service the budget through much debt which I hope not or it will raise taxes and insist on compliance. On the other hand it's likely it will also set ambitious targets for the revenue generating agencies like the firs. A pointer to that is the person chosen to head that organization. Fillers are that there's going to be a stringent tax regime come 2016. There may also be a push to bring on the property tax laws which the lawmakers have been avoiding as they will be the most hit. Other indications are that the government feels the TSA will block leakage and make more funds available than before. On foreign direct investment it must crush bh and improve on security. It has already signaled it's intentions on infrastructure with 30% allocation if what I saw is correct. Institutions are also being propped to be fair and firm by recent penalty regimes Ala mtn. The aforementioned are strong country specific advantages that can attract foreign direct investment. However I do not know if the higher taxes may impact negatively on interest rates which when low spurs economic growth as industry will be more open to borrow and expand. The tricky alternative of devaluation may also be counter productive. I hope more policy issues will be revealed in coming days to support the budget figures and how various indices mentioned above will play out on the proposed 2016 budget. |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Nobody: 11:19pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Bevista:I would push for true federalism/resource control even if my community doesnt have oil because with that my community can look else where to generate money and in the long run provide jobs and contribute its own part into making the state and country at large productive....how else can this useless country mobe without regionalism...let everybody go back to cash crops, mining and what not so that we all live comfortable lives... ....I am not asking for even a break away(though that wont be a bad idea), all i/we ask for is resource control...look out how jobs are scarce because we are dwelling on the same false template created by the elites....look at how we all have to gather in lagos looking for jobs and paying mad taxes for tinubu and his cronies to embezzle just because the country is useless..how do you think ya akwa ibom people (thats if youre really from akwa ibom)would get good jobs not the ikaite type of jobs without true federalism....lets tell ourselves the truth...if our niger delta leaders failed we should continue the true fight rather than give up and put our future into the hands of the north who as we know gives no shiiit about you... |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by baralatie(m): 11:51pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
WaffenSS:Congratulations,like I said the fg is going to borrow around $10bn see what is coming out graduallygradually........... "ABUJA – PRESIDENT Muhammadu Buhari may have tacitly scrapped kerosene subsidy in the country as he made no allocation for it in the Medium Term Expenditure Framework, MTEF, and Fiscal Strategy Paper, FSP, which he presented to the National Assembly,Tuesday. The document indicated that the present federal administration is to borrow the sum of N1.835.88 trillion to fund the 2016 budget which stands at N6.04 trillion just " |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by baralatie(m): 11:58pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
@WaffenSS let me show you the budget #4.4trillion plus #1.8trillion loan Last administration #4.4trillion plus #1 trillion loan And this is what I gout from another thread Expected revenue2016 #3.8trillion and deficient #2.2 trilliontrillion @WaffenSS @Bevista |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by baralatie(m): 12:00am On Dec 09, 2015 |
I really need to see the break down of that budget 1.8trillion is to shore up the shortfall in oil and non oil revenue in order to meet up with the expenditure of #4.4trillion |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Bevista: 12:07am On Dec 09, 2015 |
adconline:Ok, now we are getting somewhere. (1) Before Budget proposal is taken to NASS for approval, the Executive (FEC) will sit together and discuss it extensively to make sure all ministries are properly captured. They then approve the final document before sending it to the National Assembly. (2) I cannot remember the government making a policy statement about proposing an N8T budget. Somebody in the cabinet may have insinuated but it wasn't a definitive policy statement (3) Instead of trying to find straws to cling on to, you should have responded to the figures I presented in my comment. Facts are Sacred! Your hero was a monumental failure! 1 Like |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by adconline(m): 1:29am On Dec 09, 2015 |
Bevista:1:Needless to lecture me on budget process since my earlier statement that appropriation is a prerogative of NASS hasnt been proven wrong by you. The executive prepares the budget and it's the NASS that determines who gets what and how much. It also sets crude oil benchmark.NASS has the final say on the size of the national budget. 2: VP, Osibanjo said that 2016 budget would be N8tn https://www.nairaland.com/2717073/fg-plans-n8tn-budget-2016 3: Your numbers are missing key ingredient= source of income" you can't spend what you don't have. You alluded in your previous post that this budget proposition lacks details as the govt hasnt clearly stated the NEW revenue stream. Until then, facts aren't on your side, but sheer speculative opinion! https://www.pwc.com/ng/en/assets/pdf/nigerias-2015-budget.pdf http://www.yourbudgit.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2015-Publication-BUGET.pdf It's beyond the realm of your subconscious existentialism to infer who might be my hero.. You mere insinuation that I speak from a position of political gravitation instead of you to enunciate your "beloved facts" to withstand any intellectual, statistical, political and peer-questioned scrutiny, is indicative of how we have raised a generation with chronic encephalon docility. |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by Bevista: 2:13am On Dec 09, 2015 |
adconline:(1) Budget is never the prerogative of NASS, but that of the Executive. For something as sensitive as national budget, the constitution makes is necessary for NASS to review whatever the Executive has prepared and make inputs - sometimes that may result in alteration of the budget but most times they just approve it the way it comes. It's like saying that just because the President sends Ministers to NASS for approval, then Ministerial appointment is the prerogative of NASS. (2) The VP said that they were planning to propose a budget of N7tn - N8tn. That was a statement made over a month ago. Chances are that the dynamics of what they were considering might have changed and they had to adapt to new realities. Oil price has dropped further since that time and MTN fine has also reduced by over N250bn within that period. There could be a lot more that has changed that has made it imperative to review the budget downwards. How does adaptation amount to failure - if you know anything about economic management. In any case, as I said earlier, that comment wasn't a policy statement by government. (3) I never said the budget lacked details, I only said I am yet to see the details. As you might have been aware by now, details of the proposed budget are beginning to come out, and by the time it gets to NASS it would have been in the public domain for everyone to analyze. (4) Your resort to verbosity in a desperate bid to appear to have superior intellect does not impress me. You can save yourself the stress and keep that for those in your league. 1 Like |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by adconline(m): 6:18pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
Bevista: 1: NASS has the final say on national budget. It's their prerogative! The executive proposes a budget, then NASS reviews, appropriates, approves and enacts it into law. Appropriation is an act of the parliament not the executive. You are quite bereft of how appropriation process works. Both chambers of NASS must pass an appropriation bill and then forward to the president to give his ascent or veto. If it's vetoed by the president, NASS can override president's vetoe by 2/3 majority to become a law. Ministers are only sent to the senate for screening and confirmation. In legislative process, confirmation and enactment aren't the same and can't be interchangeably used. Someone who gives the final approval, has the prerogative. Time to enroll in govt 101 See 2015 budget as proposed by the executive and as amended and approved the NASS. http://www.budgetoffice.gov.ng/pdfs/price.pdf 2: From denying that there was no policy statement to speculating that VP might have made a reckless statement without checking all the facts. If 1 month is so long for them not to not have double-checked their data, what makes you think that appropriation, which takes several months to pass would not be trimmed to N4tn? And folks like you would blame NASS for slashing the budget even though the executive didn't provide new revenue stream . It's preposterous for a high ranking official like the VP to make a public statement on a budget with the hope of using MTN imposed fine to fund the budget when in fact the company in question hasn't admitted any wrongdoing and willingness to pay. 3: Show us your new revenue sources to support 50% increase to the national budget when oil prices are at the rock bottom 4: It's quite disingenuous of you to assume that someone is trying to project intellectual superiority when in fact you have been the one talking about your "silence" as the gold standard for intellectual superiority. Instead of you to lay out our " intellectual facts", you went ahead to assign me a hero; thinking that everybody who questions your utopian " fact" is a partisan hack like you. As per my league, you are on a Keke-Napep speed powered by BAJAJ and caught up at Oju Elegba traffic while I'm on a space shuttle speed powered with enough oxygen. You may need some of my reserved oxygen to process how ministerial confirmation by the senate is soo different from budget appropriation bill by both chambers. |
Re: MTEF: FEC Approves N6tr Expenditure For 2016 by 4Play(m): 9:00pm On Dec 13, 2015 |
Sagamite: The reason I hadn't replied to your post is that an adequate response requires copious references to data which I don't have the time to gather here but I will make a few points. You have to note that the premise of my original post - that the new budget must be fuelled by debt - has already been conceded. The budget projects 1.8 trillion Naira in debt will be required, nearly a third of projected spending. That Naira sum of projected debt in one year has no historical parallel. Given Nigeria's budgeting history, you will know that it's likely to prove an underestimate by the completion of the fiscal year. Now, in my original post, I made a point which I have noticed much of the analyses in the post-GEJ era has overlooked. I said the following: "If revenues next year would be high enough to meet such spending, it should be happening already."The boilerplate response has been that 6 months is insufficient time to remedy many years of damage, but that misses the point. If GEJ's administration was stealing 40% of our budget as you claim, not to mention stolen revenue as Sanusi's famous $20bn claim alludes to, merely changing government should see an improvement in revenue reported. Instead, data on non-oil tax revenue, oil production and oil revenue remain lacklustre. This is not a question of fixing our problems within six months, that is a straw man. It is a question of seeing some measure of improvement which justifies the outlandish claims about previous corruption. Think of a simple thought experiment: Supposing as a UK resident you entrust a business in Nigeria to family friend who reports to you that yearly and monthly revenue were circa 24m naira and 2m naira respectively. Eventually, you are told that the friend is looting 40% of the revenue and as a result you replace him. After 6 months with the new replacement in charge, won't you be a bit taken aback if the new person is still reporting circa 2m naira a month in revenue? If you look at official reported data, it is as if the old government is still in power. In the light of the lack of improvement, continuing to claim that things will be better next year is the triumph of hope over experience. What Paul Krugman refers to as a zombie idea, i.e., a false idea which is not killed by evidence. I thought it might be useful to leave you with a few links which illustrate what I am referring to: Here is an extract from an article referring to February 2015 revenue: The Minister of State for Finance, Mr Bashir Yuguda, said on Wednesday that N522 billion was shared among the federal, states and local governments as revenue for February, 2015........ He said also, that the non-mineral revenue for February was N94.5 billion, which when compared to the N110.6 billion generated in January, showed a decrease of N16.1 billion.http://leadership.ng/news/418438/faac-fg-states-lgs-share-n522bn-for-february Here is September 2015 revenue: FAAC: FG, states, LGs share N389.9bn as revenue for September NAN-HE-20 FG, states, LGs share N389.9bn as revenue for September FAAC Abuja, Oct. 28, 2015 (NAN). . .... She said that the country generated N213.1 billion as mineral revenue and N108.8 billion as non-mineral revenue.https://www.nairaland.com/2697931/faac-fg-states-lgs-share#39470160 Once you adjust for currency depreciation and the fall in oil prices for the respective periods, you can't see much evidence of improvement. |
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