IFA is the divination system similar to tarot reading, astrology and etc and ABORISHA is the monotheistic practice under Olodumare.

Deity is God,why is she saying otherwise like hes confused?

FOLYKAZE:


to you Deity is not God right?

@Lawani your assersion about Islam is so wrong,if you have iwapele why are you badmouthing Allah also known as Olodumare,am not asking you to be a muslim but kindly pick a Quran english translation and read,Worshipping others with God is striaght to hellfire except such repent,Qurann came to enlighten us,all the energies/forces you are deifying in Ifa are all in the Quran only that they are mere slaves of Allah to be ready at anytime for assignment and they dnt ever fail to carry out order from Olodumare.Allah says in the Quran if these forces you claimed to be God are indeed God they would have claimed ownership of what they created and that indeed they will all deny your worship of them on judgemennt day as they are all His slaves,and Allah also said in the Quran that we should follow the Quran and the wisdom,though many muslims interpretes it to be hadith(some collections of narrations about the lifestlye of the prophet Muhamad Baba fatimo)ki ike ati ige Olohun ko maba, which was collected by some people after 200 yrs of the death of the prophet.while some muslims take the meaning of the wisdom to be Ifa,saying because IFA is Allah's wisdom that He sent down,so they use it alongside with Quran and they do ebo as well apart from the etutu we all do in EId-Adha,and when you asked them they give you series of verses that Allah mentions that the prophet to pray and offer sacrifice,so pls learn to read about a religion before badmouthing it.And we also heard from some historians that the prophet Muhammad was a black arab man,that in those times there was nothing like yellow arab,he came from the lineage of ishmeal the Abrahams son,they said they were all black people,and his companions too were black,as a matter of fact Allah made us to know in the Quran that Abraham is not a jew and not a christian,that he is an ANIFA,inclining to God alone,so i would urge you to stop saying christianity,judaism are Abrahimic religion.Also,not to forget Allah also says muslims (inclining/submitting to Allah) should avoid sacrificing to stones(gemstones),alcohol,gambling and divining arrows that they are satans tools,and having searched what that is,its totally different from Ifa divination.

Allah also told us of how jonah was spotted by the sailors for the cause of their troubled ship while onthe sea journey.Also when Mary the mother of Jesus was orphaned at young age,so they were loking for whom will be her guardian amongs her uncles as all of them loved to care for her,so they cast lots to know who should take care of her and it fell on Prophet Zachariah her uncle,from my own view this people are black people cos they do circumcision for boys and its black people that engage in circumcision not romans/whites,and jesus had it done.so all these practices are Africas and it does looks as though its ifa they casted.

lawani:
IFA is the divination system similar to tarot reading, astrology and etc and ABORISHA is the monotheistic practice under Olodumare.

uplawal:
@Lawani your assersion about Islam is so wrong,if you have iwapele why are you badmouthing Allah also known as Olodumare,am not asking you to be a muslim but kindly pick a Quran english translation and read,Worshipping others with God is striaght to hellfire except such repent,Qurann came to enlighten us,all the energies/forces you are deifying in Ifa are all in the Quran only that they are mere slaves of Allah to be ready at anytime for assignment and they dnt ever fail to carry out order from Olodumare.Allah says in the Quran if these forces you claimed to be God are indeed God they would have claimed ownership of what they created and that indeed they will all deny your worship of them on judgemennt day as they are all His slaves,and Allah also said in the Quran that we should follow the Quran and the wisdom,though many muslims interpretes it to be hadith(some collections of narrations about the lifestlye of the prophet Muhamad Baba fatimo)ki ike ati ige Olohun ko maba, which was collected by some people after 200 yrs of the death of the prophet.while some muslims take the meaning of the wisdom to be Ifa,saying because IFA is Allah's wisdom that He sent down,so they use it alongside with Quran and they do ebo as well apart from the etutu we all do in EId-Adha,and when you asked them they give you series of verses that Allah mentions that the prophet to pray and offer sacrifice,so pls learn to read about a religion before badmouthing it.And we also heard from some historians that the prophet Muhammad was a black arab man,that in those times there was nothing like yellow arab,he came from the lineage of ishmeal the Abrahams son,they said they were all black people,and his companions too were black,as a matter of fact Allah made us to know in the Quran that Abraham is not a jew and not a christian,that he is an ANIFA,inclining to God alone,so i would urge you to stop saying christianity,judaism are Abrahimic religion.Also,not to forget Allah also says muslims (inclining/submitting to Allah) should avoid sacrificing to stones(gemstones),alcohol,gambling and divining arrows that they are satans tools,and having searched what that is,its totally different from Ifa divination.

Olodumare oba ajiki has nothing to do with Allah

I need u on my new threadquote author=FOLYKAZE post=41382406]

Monotheism is the belief in a single all-powerful god, as opposed to religions that believe in multiple gods.

Orisha religion system does not recognise a single all-powerful god but 401 Irunmales who govern the earth and the ancestors realm. Eledumare is one and part of the Irunmoles. Despite the fact the he owns all the Ashe (Energy), his subordinates in 400 Irunmoles are also Gods that are been worshipped in Yoruba religion system.

Ogun lakaye Osinmole is the chief of Irunmoles. Ogun is the deity of strength, war and Iron/metalic elements. Lakaye means the one whose influcence spread around the world (both physical and spiritual realm) while Osinmole from collison of Osin awon Imole meaning the one Imole worship and sees as head.

Allah could made jinns, Jehovah could form trinity and elders numbering 24 in the councils of heaven where queens of heaven, gods (Psalm 82:1) and sons of God congregate but the fact you failed to see is that no muslim worship Jinn and also no christian worship any of the elders, angels or queen of heaven. No one pray to the angels or gods. No one bow in prayer for Jinns. The muslim world admits there is no other god except Allah just like christians no other God is worthy of worship except Jehovah. Allah and Jehovah are single all powerful God to muslim and christian respectively. This makes Islam and Christianity a monotheistic religion.

Yoruba religion system is different entirely in the cases of Abrahamic religion (Christianity and Islam). The 400 Irunmoles and Orishas are been worshipped. Ones Ori is a deity which have a dedicated shrine/altar, prayed to and scarifices made to appeals to it. Egungun (dead living ancestors) are been worshipped in a dedicated shrine among families. This does not end with worshipping but a belief that these deity are closer to one and are powerful. The case of a single all-powerful God is ruled out here. This is polytheism.

On the other round, Eledumare is not been worship in Yoruba religion system. Eledumare does not have a dedicated shrine, ordain a special prayer or ask anyone for sacrifice. He does not seek for our faith. He only set everything in motion and interfare not in the system of things. This is classical deism.

Yoruba religion system could have been tagged Henotheism but there is no record that Eledumare been worshipped directly.

Now you need to understand what polytheism really is. Polytheism is the worship of or belief in multiple deities/gods usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own rituals. In most aspect, the gods and goddesses are representations of forces of nature or ancestral principle, and can be viewed either as autonomous or emanating part of a creator God.

All the Orishas are representation of forces of the nature and are been worshipped as part and constellation of Eleduamre. This is polytheism not only in the number of God but belief in the existence of a specific pantheon of distinct deities called Orisha or Imole.

Yoruba religion system is far from been monotheism[/quote]

I think Its incomplete

lawani:
The God for Yoruba is Olodumare.That is the name.

uplawal:
I need u on my new threadquote author=FOLYKAZE post=41382406]

Monotheism is the belief in a single all-powerful god, as opposed to religions that believe in multiple gods.

Orisha religion system does not recognise a single all-powerful god but 401 Irunmales who govern the earth and the ancestors realm. Eledumare is one and part of the Irunmoles. Despite the fact the he owns all the Ashe (Energy), his subordinates in 400 Irunmoles are also Gods that are been worshipped in Yoruba religion system.

Ogun lakaye Osinmole is the chief of Irunmoles. Ogun is the deity of strength, war and Iron/metalic elements. Lakaye means the one whose influcence spread around the world (both physical and spiritual realm) while Osinmole from collison of Osin awon Imole meaning the one Imole worship and sees as head.

Allah could made jinns, Jehovah could form trinity and elders numbering 24 in the councils of heaven where queens of heaven, gods (Psalm 82:1) and sons of God congregate but the fact you failed to see is that no muslim worship Jinn and also no christian worship any of the elders, angels or queen of heaven. No one pray to the angels or gods. No one bow in prayer for Jinns. The muslim world admits there is no other god except Allah just like christians no other God is worthy of worship except Jehovah. Allah and Jehovah are single all powerful God to muslim and christian respectively. This makes Islam and Christianity a monotheistic religion.

Yoruba religion system is different entirely in the cases of Abrahamic religion (Christianity and Islam). The 400 Irunmoles and Orishas are been worshipped. Ones Ori is a deity which have a dedicated shrine/altar, prayed to and scarifices made to appeals to it. Egungun (dead living ancestors) are been worshipped in a dedicated shrine among families. This does not end with worshipping but a belief that these deity are closer to one and are powerful. The case of a single all-powerful God is ruled out here. This is polytheism.

On the other round, Eledumare is not been worship in Yoruba religion system. Eledumare does not have a dedicated shrine, ordain a special prayer or ask anyone for sacrifice. He does not seek for our faith. He only set everything in motion and interfare not in the system of things. This is classical deism.

Yoruba religion system could have been tagged Henotheism but there is no record that Eledumare been worshipped directly.

Now you need to understand what polytheism really is. Polytheism is the worship of or belief in multiple deities/gods usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own rituals. In most aspect, the gods and goddesses are representations of forces of nature or ancestral principle, and can be viewed either as autonomous or emanating part of a creator God.

All the Orishas are representation of forces of the nature and are been worshipped as part and constellation of Eleduamre. This is polytheism not only in the number of God but belief in the existence of a specific pantheon of distinct deities called Orisha or Imole.

Yoruba religion system is far from been monotheism

Let me now explain something to you. Olodumare is an irunmale who chairs a council of 401 irunmale at Ogotun. Two hundred irunmales on the right Igba irunmale ojukotun, two hundred irunmale on the left, igba irunmole ojukosi making 401 including Olodumare. He is one of them! Now orisas, Eegun and all resources that are deified are limitless. No limit. You do not understand the theology at all. In the past, any Yoruba city had more deities than humans. Tutelary, family, clan, the major orisas, Eeguns and etc. The 400 irunmales who rule with Olodumare are anonymous. They are not necessarily orisas. Ogun is osin imole meaning the first imole to land on Earth when Earth was colonised by advanced humans from outer space. He is Olakaye because he brings innovations that brings prosperity. Not because he is the chief orisa. Chief orisa is Obatala Obatoosa Obatakuntakun Oba patapata lode Iranje Orisanla. Afunnini gbafun aini, o so enikan di igba eni! Iba o! Not Ogun.

FOLYKAZE:
How is a spiritual system that recognise 401 Irunmoles a monotheistic religion?

How do you translate the word Orisha? Is Orisha a god to you? We have billions of Orisha (god) out there and you still call Ifa a monotheistic religion?

Ifa is polythiestic. It is a divination system created by Orunmila. Orunmila is an Orisha (God of wisdom). He is the Omniscient part of Eledumare. Eledumare does not even interfare in the affair of things among we humans. He set everything in motion and doesnt look forward for our prayers or sacrifce. So we can call Orisha religion system Deism.

It doesnt matter what the western world tag us. Been polytheistic or deistic is not a bad attribution. Eledumare is Olorun and as well one of 400 Irunmole. In Yoruba religion belief, we have 401 Irunmole. That is polytheistic considering the number of Imole (Divine ones) are more than one.

All Onifa worship all the Orishas esp Eshu, Ogun, Yemoja, Sango, Obatala and Appeal through scarifices to Eleye. This is polythism and far different from monotheism.

Do you know that some people worship angels? How then is Christianity and Islam which recognises many angels a monotheistic religion? Now lemme explain to you what the orishas are. They are just the offsprings of the creator of the Yoruba people. They are not the ultimate creator of the yoruba people. Same way jesus, Melchizedek and co. are to your god(yahweh) is how the orishas her to their ultimate god(Olorun).

However, all gods including Olorun, Yahweh, Eshu, Odin, Jupiter, Vishnu, Mercury, Enki, Enlil, Eartum, etc are created by the ALMIGHTHY GOD who is not religious minded and demands the use of the brains rather than gathering in some places to worship a deity.

@Did you now say Obatala is not part of the Irunmole?so can you specify,which ones are the Irunmoles andWhich are the Orishas,and how is Yoruba religion monothestic?

lawani:


Let me now explain something to you. Olodumare is an irunmale who chairs a council of 401 irunmale at Ogotun. Two hundred irunmales on the right Igba irunmale ojukotun, two hundred irunmale on the left, igba irunmole ojukosi making 401 including Olodumare. He is one of them! Now orisas, Eegun and all resources that are deified are limitless. No limit. You do not understand the theology at all. In the past, any Yoruba city had more deities than humans. Tutelary, family, clan, the major orisas, Eeguns and etc. The 400 irunmales who rule with Olodumare are anonymous. They are not necessarily orisas. Ogun is osin imole meaning the first imole to land on Earth when Earth was colonised by advanced humans from outer space. He is Olakaye because he brings innovations that brings prosperity. Not because he is the chief orisa. Chief orisa is Obatala Obatoosa Obatakuntakun Oba patapata lode Iranje Orisanla. Afunnini gbafun aini, o so enikan di igba eni! Iba o! Not Ogun.

I still maintain there is only one God,you can call him allah,chukwu,Oghene,Ubangiji etc, and he is surrounded by angels malaika who work for tire tirelessly and never disobey his order,they are separate workers for God,while this same God,note, am using english name for clarity,can be describes as a sole tree with branches,these said brainches emanating from same source the same tree is still the same God, not 23456 trees claiming as gods,if you look into the Quran well you would see how Allah says when talking,he usually uses we we we,not that they are separate beings,but several of his manifestations in one being,that is the best explanation of tawheed meaning(akojopo olorun/unity of God) ,he described himselfs as the creator eventhough we know its the obatala part of him that creates,he described himself as Ifa/Olodumare,as he is the only one we ask for help,the all-knowing,the wise and the one that guides to the straight path,and all matters return to him.

otem4eartum:


Do you know that some people worship angels? How then is Christianity and Islam which recognises many angels a monotheistic religion? Now lemme explain to you what the orishas are. They are just the offsprings of the creator of the Yoruba people. They are not the ultimate creator of the yoruba people. Same way jesus, Melchizedek and co. are to your god(yahweh) is how the orishas her to their ultimate god(Olorun).

However, all gods including Olorun, Yahweh, Eshu, Odin, Jupiter, Vishnu, Mercury, Enki, Enlil, Eartum, etc are created by the ALMIGHTHY GOD who is not religious minded and demands the use of the brains rather than gathering in some places to worship a deity.

You get C6. Welldone.

Well muslims dnt worshipp angells,but we are told by allah to believe in them,but how to believe in them is what i am yet to notic e or see amongs muslims,that was when he was defining righteousness,he says rightouesness is not to turn your face to east or west but to believe in allah,the last day,his angels,his books,his prophet,and give wealth inspite of love for it to the relatives,orphaned,travellers,needy,and those who ask,the aand for freeing slaves,and those who observe prayers and give zakat,and those who when they make promise fulfil their promises,and those who are patient in poverty and hardship,and during battles,and those are the ones who have been true and it is those who are the righteous.

otem4eartum:


Do you know that some people worship angels? How then is Christianity and Islam which recognises many angels a monotheistic religion? Now lemme explain to you what the orishas are. They are just the offsprings of the creator of the Yoruba people. They are not the ultimate creator of the yoruba people. Same way jesus, Melchizedek and co. are to your god(yahweh) is how the orishas her to their ultimate god(Olorun).

However, all gods including Olorun, Yahweh, Eshu, Odin, Jupiter, Vishnu, Mercury, Enki, Enlil, Eartum, etc are created by the ALMIGHTHY GOD who is not religious minded and demands the use of the brains rather than gathering in some places to worship a deity.

i must say i'm impressed by your writings this is worth reading than the so called holy scriptures

May the Almighty guide you. Amen. Thou shall worship only Him, The Almighty, Olo-Du-Mare, The Bonds of all Creations. Odu-Iwa is the Character Spirit of The Bond.

orunto27:
May the Almighty guide you. Amen. Thou shall worship only Him, The Almighty, Olo-Du-Mare, The Bonds of all Creations. Odu-Iwa is the Character Spirit of The Bond.

SEE OLODUMARE AS AN IMPARTIAL JUDGE. EVEN THE US PRESIDENT IS AN IMPARTIAL JUDGE! SO YORUBAS DO NOT WORSHIP OR TRY TO MANIPULATE OLODUMARE. OLODUMARE IS A CONSTANT ALWAYS BEHIND RIGHTEOUSNESS AND EFFORT. HOWEVER ORISAS, EGUNS AND SOME IRUNMALES ARE PLIABLE. SO YOU PATRONISE THEM BASED ON SOME OF THEIR PAST INCARNATIONS. FOR EXAMPLE WINE IS OFFERED TO OGUN BECAUSE OGUN AJERO IBA O WHO WAS MY ANCESTOR LIKED PALMWINE. IT WAS OGUN ALARA THAT LIKED DOG MEAT. OBATALA WAS LIKE A VEGETARIAN AJIMA JEUN TO LEEGUN! AND ETC.


SO OLODUMARE IS NOT A JEALOUS GOD AND OFFERING ANYTHING TO OLODUMARE IS WRONG IN YORUBA THEOLOGY. I DONT KNOW OF OTHER THEOLOGIES. BUT ALLAH AND JEHOVAH OF MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS ARE NOT SAME AS OLODUMARE

uplawal:
@Did you now say Obatala is not part of the Irunmole?so can you specify,which ones are the Irunmoles andWhich are the Orishas,and how is Yoruba religion monothestic?

Aborisha is not a religion but a cultural spirituality, a cultural theology, an explanation for the other world. As an Aborisha al humans are my brothers except those saying Aborisha is bad. Then a spirituality does not have to be monotheistic to make sense, however Aborisha has no two Olodumare, so it is monotheistic. Olodumare can not be incarnated but orisa can be incarnated. Nobody has ever been Olodumare incarnate but you can be orisa incarnate. Any unseen being is an irunmale. So there are stupid irunmale, smart irunmale less advanced irunmales and etc. Olodumare is the chief Irunmale just like the US President is chief American but he does not work alone like Allah.

*You have come again,you pretend as if you are toward peace, saying everyone is your brother except who says isese is bad,then you go saying what you no not of about Allah,dnt be deluded,if you dnt know anything in the quran,do a favour to yourself and ask,or pick a copy of english quran and read,the fact that Allah says he is almighty does not mean he did alone,there are malaikas that work for him.

lawani:


Aborisha is not a religion but a cultural spirituality, a cultural theology, an explanation for the other world. As an Aborisha al humans are my brothers except those saying Aborisha is bad. Then a spirituality does not have to be monotheistic to make sense, however Aborisha ----------------h
+as no two Olodumare, so it is monotheistic. Olodumare can not be incarnated but orisa can be incarnated. Nobody has ever been Olodumare incarnate but you can be orisa incarnate. Any unseen being is an irunmale. So there are stupid irunmale, smart irunmale less advanced irunmales and etc. Olodumare is the chief Irunmale just like the US President is chief American but he does not work alone like Allah.

Keep fooling yourself OLODUMARE, is not allah,i dnt know of christian god but allah is definately olodumare,I have told you read the quran ,i am not telling to becfome a muslim,but reading will stop your bigot attitudes. OLODUMARE IS A CONSTANT ALWAYS BEHIND RIGHTEOUSNESS AND EFFORT. HOWEVER ORISAS, EGUNS AND SOME IRUNMALES ARE PLIABLE. SO YOU PATRONISE THEM BASED ON SOME OF THEIR PAST INCARNATIONS. FOR EXAMPLE WINE IS OFFERED TO OGUN BECAUSE OGUN AJERO IBA O WHO WAS MY ANCESTOR LIKED PALMWINE. IT WAS OGUN ALARA THAT LIKED DOG MEAT. OBATALA WAS LIKE A VEGETARIAN AJIMA JEUN TO LEEGUN! AND ETC.


SO OLODUMARE IS NOT A JEALOUS GOD AND OFFERING ANYTHING TO OLODUMARE IS WRONG IN YORUBA THEOLOGY. I DONT KNOW OF OTHER THEOLOGIES. BUT ALLAH AND JEHOVAH OF MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS ARE NOT SAME AS OLODUMARE[/quote]

It's not surprising that the person who posted this is a Yoruba person. Them too like Juju.

@ lawani. Why do your gods require human sacrifice to make one rich? Yoruba people like money rituals like fly dey follow shit.

otem4eartum:


Do you know that some people worship angels? How then is Christianity and Islam which recognises many angels a monotheistic religion? Now lemme explain to you what the orishas are. They are just the offsprings of the creator of the Yoruba people. They are not the ultimate creator of the yoruba people. Same way jesus, Melchizedek and co. are to your god(yahweh) is how the orishas her to their ultimate god(Olorun).

However, all gods including Olorun, Yahweh, Eshu, Odin, Jupiter, Vishnu, Mercury, Enki, Enlil, Eartum, etc are created by the ALMIGHTHY GOD who is not religious minded and demands the use of the brains rather than gathering in some places to worship a deity.

Yay! Prophet of Indomie Reverend, sorry! Domino Reverad is here..... Everyone, set the high table...

I have asked a knowledgeable babalawo about who olodumare is,starting from breaking the words to meaning,i asked, then who is the olodu,that mi mare,because the name is incomplete to my own understanding,the olo-du-mare should mean a being if you have to define the actual name,cos, just saying olodumare does not mean anything to me rather,i would ask who is the olodu i.e who is the owner of odu i.e the calabash of existence or destiny that i am returning to,dnt just say incomplete OLODUMARE ,theres more to the name,when you get the meaning to this name then you wiill know its same with islam,in Ifa verses i.e Olodumare's verse,it says he is the witness,he is the all-knower,he is the knower of unseen/secret then allah says the same of himself in the Quran,infact he says he is the only one witness to all created,he is the witness.that is when you will now know the name olodumare is incomplete if you just say it by the word,after you break it then you know the meaning.i say its orunmilla IFA deity the one that guides to the right path,he is the all knower,no seccret counsel is spoken or thought that he is unaware,and he is the one we ask for help,and Odu/verses are his words,,he does not have any intermediary to connect to him like most of this aborisha says,not orunmilla prophet.though,so that was what the man told me,he says if i have to break it it will mean orunmilla deity is the supreme being we call Olodumare.because he is the one that is the (owner of odu) we are returning to just as the name sounds.

orunto27:
May the Almighty guide you. Amen. Thou shall worship only Him, The Almighty, Olo-Du-Mare, The Bonds of all Creations. Odu-Iwa is the Character Spirit of The Bond.

Liar,Ifa adherent dnt do humaN SACRIFICE,BE WARNED.

lordnicklaus:
It's not surprising that the person who posted this is a Yoruba person. Them too like Juju.

@ lawani. Why do your gods require human sacrifice to make one rich? Yoruba people like money rituals like fly dey follow shit.

uplawal:
Liar,Ifa adherent dnt do humaN SACRIFICE,BE WARNED.

Lols! The liar is obvious...

uplawal:
*You have come again,you pretend as if you are toward peace, saying everyone is your brother except who says isese is bad,then you go saying what you no not of about Allah,dnt be deluded,if you dnt know anything in the quran,do a favour to yourself and ask,or pick a copy of english quran and read,the fact that Allah says he is almighty does not mean he did alone,there are malaikas that work for him.

If people respect me, I respect them back and follow them to worship their deities but if they say I am a Kaffir and I have to convert to their idiocy before I can make paradise, then it becomes incumbent on me to fight them. I love myself, my neighbour before loving a stranger that does not know me just because he believes one stupid tale.


The original Allah before Mohammed who is Supreme deity was Olodumare but new Allah of Mohammed is not.


Allah says you must fast, face Mecca to pray and many other nonesense but Olodumare says 'Remain steadfast on the path of righteousness and rationality and I will always be with you. Please dont confuse Allah with Olodumare.

@uplawal - Olodumare is not, and can never be, Allah. I do disagree with lawani that ifa is monotheistic in nature and that Olodumare is the real deal, but equating Olodumare to Allah is a big mess up on your part.
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We all need to stop trying to associate the attributes which certain belief systems (and their creations) do not possess with them. Gods and belief systems are culture bound. And in this age of globalisation, the move(s) to align all of the 'supreme beings' may seem apt but it simply is missing the point.
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Olodumare does not speak Arabic; Allah speaks no Yoruba (unless you decide it's time you taught them). Salaam!

Ghost01:
@uplawal - Olodumare is not, and can never be, Allah. I do disagree with lawani that ifa is monotheistic in nature and that Olodumare is the real deal, but equating Olodumare to Allah is a big mess up on your part.
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We all need to stop trying to associate the attributes which certain belief systems (and their creations) do not possess with them. Gods and belief systems are culture bound. And in this age of globalisation, the move(s) to align all of the 'supreme beings' may seem apt but it simply is missing the point.
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Olodumare does not speak Arabic; Allah speaks no Yoruba (unless you decide it's time you taught them). Salaam!

What is your definition of monotheism? What is Mohammed to Muslims if not God incarnate and sole mouthpiece of God?(more than deity). How do we contact Allah now that Mohammed is gone? Which deity is causing more havoc on Earth than Mohammed nowadays?


Please give me a definition of monotheism from you. In my opinion, all Qurans have been deified, making over a billion deities in possession of Muslims, the Kabba is a deity which Muslims go to Mecca to worship exactly as done by pre Mohammedan peoples and etc.

So, in Yoruba theology, various energies are incarnated as human beings frequently (we all carry a peculiar energy), these energies are Orisas. For example if a particular King likes to test people's integrity, he may be recognised as Esu. If he is leader of a benevolent government, that is Obatala, Aganju likes the forest or nature, Orunmila is concerned about others. Oduduwa has excellent character and etc but Olodumare can not be incarnated and he is the Oba ateni ola legelege the owner of all ASE. I see that as monotheism but if you can say why it is not, maybe I can see your point. Olodumare is Ubangiji, Chukwuabiama and etc but he is not Allah or Yahweh to me.

FOLYKAZE:


Yoruba religion system is a home abode for every form of theism including atheism. The only form that breaks away or fail to fall into Yoruba religion system is monotheism because many other Gods are present.

One Ori is a deity. This deity is personal to oneself and does not need other people to gather and worship on your behalf. Orisha are been worshipped unlike Ori by more than one person. Orisha is worshipped among family, society, group and village. This cannot be the case of Ori.

However, the fact you should note here is that there is more than one deity pesent in Yoruba religion system. Deities here are infinite. This is mega-polytheism just like hinduism.

Every individual are knoted to Ori and at least one Orisha. The fact that most people dont worship their orisha doesnt mean they should ne written off.

Irunmole is a Deity. Irunmole mean Irun-Imole. Irun is irinwo which is 400 while Imale are primodial spirits. They are what you call Orisha today. The english word for Orisha is god/deity. This shows that there
are more than one god been worship which makes Yoruba religion system a polytheism

@macof @lawani @Folykaze how can one feed the soul I am so keen to know.

Awo yin Ifa, Ifa yin Olodumare.

I still haven't grasped egungun and its relevance in Yoruba religion.

Egungun as a system was instituted by Alaafin Sango in rememberance of Oranmiyan. Egungun's concept is to remember dead ancestors or dead relatives.

How does one praise Ori and Ori goes to praise Egungun when Ori precedes Egungun as far as existence goes?

Ori supersedes Orisa as well.

Ori is next to Olodumare.

It is the Ori that picks whatever Orisa that suits it.

I do not necessarily see where Egungun comes in, really.

Irete Ofun

Atefun tefun
Tefuntefun ehin ooni
Awo Ori
Lo difa fun Ori
Nigba ti o nti ikole orun bo waye
Won ni korubo
Ogbebo orubo
Ebo Ori WA da ladaju
Ko si orisa to to ni gbe lehin Ori e ni
Ha Ori gbona ju orisa!
Ori ma ma gbona ju orisa o
Ori gbona ju orisa!
Ase.

Is this is a special thread for Crackheads? I'm reading all sorts of dumb assed things here.

"Eledumare is one of the irunmole but Obatala is not?"

Where did you see a shrine for Eledumare in Yoruba land, abeg?

Awo yin Ifa, Ifa yin Olodumare.

I still haven't grasped egungun and its relevance in Yoruba religion.

Egungun as a system was instituted by Alaafin Sango in rememberance of Oranmiyan. Egungun's concept is to remember dead ancestors or dead relatives.

How does one praise Ori and Ori goes to praise Egungun when Ori precedes Egungun as far as existence goes?

Ori supersedes Orisa as well.

Ori is next to Olodumare.

It is the Ori that picks whatever Orisa that suits it.

I do not necessarily see where Egungun comes in, really.

Egungun is ancestor worship which existed in Yoruba land thousands of years before the birth of Alaafin Sango but he may have added some innovations to it though but the same name is what they call it among the Igbowho may have disconnected from the Yoruba for up to five thousand years if not more.