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Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Sagamite(m): 4:16pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
Richirich713: How does it make more sense? How do you link "intelligence" to "eternal"? You mean you have some scientific or logical prove that intelligence creates eternality? Intelligent beings cannot have a "beginning" and an "end"? Why do you think you have a better argument that this your God "always existed" than someone else arguing the Universe "always existed"? This is not logical: "If anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed". It is just an argument you created to fit the logic you want to put forward. You can't prove it. I want facts. 2 Likes |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by wiegraf: 4:34pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
Richirich713: When did this happen, like 5000 years ago?? If you're one of the more reasonable xtians, tell me where the room left for god in evolution is? Also, how 'random', or arbitrary if you will, would you qualify the processes as being? |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by zzzzy: 4:54pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
Richirich713:bro, as I said earlier, just leave them. I haven't seen any atheist that accepts that he is wrong. They keep arguing no matter what you tell them. 1 Like |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Richirich713: 5:21pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
Sagamite: Guy I'm not going into repetitive discussion, if u don't agree that it makes more sense that a intelligent being created intelligent life and fine tune the universe , then fine. Plz just don't continue to repeat the same question, on why it makes more sense. Sagamite: I link cuz based on the evidence, it's the best and most logical explanation Out of nothing comes nothing, eternity is necessary. I'm really hope u not trying to say this universe came literally from "nothing", and hope u not saying that makes more sense. Sagamite: No one said that, the only reason I say the eternal source must be intelligent is cuz of the DESIGN AND FINE TUNING of the universe. If the universe was not fine tune, I would have never said anything about intelligence cuz there would be no evidence for that. Sagamite: The universe had a beginning, something cause the Big Bang. Either what cuz it did it intelligently or randomly. But evidence points to intelligence. And it's not me who even says the universe is not eternal, it's the atheists like Dawkins nd hawking who say it came from nothing. If u offer a more logical explanation then plz share it with me. |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Richirich713: 5:28pm On Jan 01, 2016 |
zzzzy: I don't get why anyone would even argue that there is nothing eternal and that it makes more sense that nothing created everything randomly. I think I'm taking ur advice, I'm done repeating myself here. 2 Likes |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by frank317: 7:54am On Jan 03, 2016 |
Richirich713: OK, I should keep my opinion to myself just because its not in line with your silly assumptions. You know that's not possible. Weather I am agnostic or theist is really ur problem since u have chosen to bother about it. The bottom line is, your God does not exist. So how have u proven ur assumptive God?
The evident for God should be in himself. He should prove himself to the world he created. Love, suffering, death, joy etc cannot be an evidence of Gods existence, they are evidence of our existence.
Lol...seriously if God exists he must be a clown. He sits in heaven and watch u make case for him? Dont you see how your attempt to make sense assumptive idea only makes u ridicle it. Abegi, if your God exists he should prove himself. You are n no position to prove it since u are not God.or are u God? 4 Likes |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Sagamite(m): 2:42pm On Jan 05, 2016 |
Richirich713: Well then, don't repeat answers that does not answer the question asked and you will not have a repetitive discussion. You are yet to efficiently explain the reasoning you went through that led you to conclude you are right and they are wrong. That led you to conclude, you make sense and they don't. Try again. Richirich713: What makes it the "best" and "most logical"? You go school na? When you make a claim, you are suppose to back it up with logic and facts. Richirich713: Fine. Now who made the intelligence of the eternal source? His intelligence came from nothing? Richirich713: Well, you are the one that argued to me here that the universe is not eternal but God is, so don't think you can repudiate that argument by deflection to "authorities". If you don't believe it, then I suggest you never use it to argue. If you use it, be ready to defend it when asked. So why can't the universe be eternal? 1 Like |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Image123(m): 12:01am On Jan 10, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: Setting a foolish premise doesn't help you arrive at where you want to arrive. Your hope to understand is good and God given, but founding it on deceit and twisting of the truth will not help your cause. The truth is right there in the Bible, not these nonsense you have written which can only serve as comedy if there is any tangible purpose to it. i'm certain you really are not out for comedy, you want and need truth. i'll be back to help you, don't worry. 4 Likes |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 8:15am On Jan 10, 2016 |
Image123:Yes Bro. I need help. Give me some Jesus to save me poor soul. |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Image123(m): 12:35am On Jan 11, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: He is standing right at the door of your heart, let Him in. |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Image123(m): 12:56am On Jan 11, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: Most of your presumptions and assumptions are wrong and a product of half-baked Bible knowledge. Your theology is evidently wrong, skewed and flawed. That implies that eveerything else, especailly your conclusion about God may be wrong. Read along. The beginning referred to here is the beginning of earth, man's earth. not of God or Heaven or angels. God has no beginning, He is the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. After the beginning, the earth BECAME without form and void. The word "was" used in verse 2 is haw-yaw better translated as BECAME. And the earth became without form, and void. This point is a little bit important as it helps you understand/appreciate better that the earth was not created 5literal days before man. The earth was created in the beginning, then at some time it BECAME without form and void. The '1st day' is from verse 3. So what happened, why did the earth become without form and void? Judgement happened, satan happened. There used to be an angel Lucifer controlling earth possibly among others, he used to live and reign in Eden. This is corroborated by other passages like the below. Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Eze 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee: Eze 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God; Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. Premise is set, i will continue later. 1 Like |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by lanre316: 7:52am On Jan 11, 2016 |
^^^
Premise is set.... in your mind. LOL 3 Likes |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Image123(m): 4:33pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: This is yet another round of misinformation not found in the Bible or alluded to. God did not create man or earth out of boredom. Also there are millions and millions of angels in Heaven and the heavenlies giving praise and glory to God, and "appreciating His work". Also, if you refer to disobeying God or displeasing God as a mistake, well it wasn't a first. Angels did that long before man was created. e.g satan. Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. You obviously do not know the Bible enough to make these conclusions, apparently you have made mistakes in your conclusions and ideas about God. God made man virtually to replace satan on earth, not boredom or mistake. That apparently got satan mad, because man is a little lower than angels and yet set to replace mr. Beautiful. Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor. 1 Like |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Image123(m): 5:27pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: Man is not chaos. Also, God did not take any input from animals to create man. This is absolutely ludicrous and nothing close to understanding christianity. God spoke to God in creating man, hear Him. Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Also certainly, man was never God's biggest project. God loves man no doubt, and made him the 'crown' of earth, kind of the lord of earth, giving him the dominion. But man is no where God's biggest project being the Lord of Heaven and Earth. Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? Isa 40:15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing. 1 Like |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Image123(m): 5:49pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: There is nothing unsettling to God about any tree, He made them all. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God made the tree for a purpose, which seems like to test man. Exams are not made for the purpose of failing students. You pass tests/exams to be verified, certified, promoted etc. Failures are the ones who complain about exams been out to fail them. Now, the description of Adam's work and of the garden of Eden should show anybody that truely thinks that Adam was no slowpoke or dullard. Adam was made in the IMAGE of God, He was the most intelligent man that ever lived. He had divinity oozing all over him. Here is a man with ability and capability of assembling and naming ALL beast of the field, and every fowl of the air, and all cattle. Unintelligent people do not and cannot do that. Great scientists, historians and co are the ones that gather together to TRY and do that. Also, the garden of Eden was not the size of your primary school playing ground. This was a place irrigated by four rivers. Eden is a picture of utopia, paradise and enlightenment. This was where Adam kept. It is where he worked, he dressed and kept it. He had ability to REPLENISH the earth with it. He was given the mandate to replicate Eden all over the earth. Ignoramuses don't do that, average IQs cannot process that. Here is the man who had all the gene, DNA, bloodgroup, brain etc all in him. That is who Adam was, before the fall. And even after the fall, and before the flood, the genius was still evident in the way fallen man lived their lives. Their feeding, their health, their discoveries, their music, their science, arts and commerce which set a precedence and foundation for all generations that followed. Finally, Adam and Eve ere created on the same day, that is what the Bible says. 5 Likes |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Image123(m): 6:06pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: Like i have earlier stated, the garden of Eden is not your regular garden the size of your primary school playground. It was massive. It contained trees and was large enough to be irrigated by four rivers. Also, you need to find out the meaning of fornication, Adam and Eve were married. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The garden contained among other trees, the tree of life, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Certainly, any logic that thinks, suggests or concludes that the tree of knowledge of good and evil indicates that Adam had no knowledge of good and evil should also think, suggest and conclude that Adam had no life. That's logic, that's reasoning, that's rationale. Adam and Eve didn't eat from either of the two trees before the "fall". This clearly shows that those names are symbolic and not literal in our common understanding. |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Image123(m): 6:07pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
blueyedgeek: What is your own story of creation, let's learn from this great foresight you are about to post, thanks in advance. |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Image123(m): 6:31pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: Nothing in the Bible says or suggests that Adam and Eve's reasoning became complete after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They saw new stuff though, but it didn't help their reasoning. They did make themselves aprons, but it wasn't something or power gained by eating. It was simply a solution they devised to their new found predicament. They were maintaining Eden, remember? Today, we would need expatriates, world-class scientists, harvard and oxford horticulturists, power plants, dams, the bests of fertilizers and GMOs, millions of dollars to even mimic Edenic landscape and scenery, not to mention maintain, dress and keep. Also, God was not in a good mood when Adam and Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil(Eve ate first BTW, another mistake on your part). That must have been a very sad and disappointing day from God to man, knowing all that would follow for the next thousands of years till hell fire. Man had failed the test, man had lost possession, the only hope was redemption. That is what made man's case different from or better than satan, no Jesus died for him on Calvary. If anybody was in a good mood, it was satan the old serpent, who would rather have man go down with him. God knew from the beginning that Adam will fail(that is a liitle bit hard to explain but that is the truth). God saw him fail, God is omnipresent and omniscient. God knew Adam and Eve and knew where they were. They were a disappointment because they had the ability to pass. It's like when you invest in a project, love a team, and expect it to do well and it doesn't. It broke His heart if we may so say, but He had a solution in Christ. Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Jesus Christ, the seed of the woman not of the man, bruised the head of satan at calvary, and eternally continues to bruise him. satan also did his bit at calvary. We also do our bits by believing on the Saviour or not believing on the Saviour. 1 Like |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 5:00am On Jan 13, 2016 |
Was that the end of the story I was waiting for more I swear. 2 Likes |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 5:23am On Jan 13, 2016 |
Nubian113:Go through my profile. |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by plaetton: 8:11am On Jan 13, 2016 |
Richirich713: Let me come in here to help you. You see, the problem that hinders your thinking is the obsession with the word " created ". This is your legacy from Sunday school, when you were forced-fed with magical thinking long before you began to articulate your own thoughts. No atheist, no scientist tell you that any think was created. The laws of physics that operate throughout the universe teach us that it is " Processes" that involve electromagnetic energy that evolves the universe. " Creation" simply connotes magic, pulling a rabbit( in this case, a universe) out of one's axss. Acknowledge where you are coming from, and save yourself this unnecessary, illogical and silly rigmarolling. You are thinking in magical terms. The scientific community are thinking in rational terms. Are you smart enough to spot the difference? 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by johnydon22(m): 8:41am On Jan 13, 2016 |
Richirich713: The problem is what is eternal? Low quantum energized particles? simpler elements or low frequency of energy? or a humanoid? For goodness sake nobody ever is arguing the universe came from nothing... That notion is always the fantasy you all swim in.. More over in physics "Nothing" means the lowest level of energy frequency.. It is always funny when people with no basic knowledge in astronomy come out to claim the universe full of random chaotic events is designed and fined tuned.. now lets see an example to your words: Point out to us the things that makes you think the universe is fine tuned and designed.. not just saying it Please this claim of fine tune is yet your delusion.. Nobody with a basic knowledge of astronomy will ever claim precision in the universe. Please point out to us the fine tuning you know lets see how Oh yes and in science that thing is a "Singularity" not a humanoid.. Again, the events in the universe is one that spells randomness more than anything.. Now point out to us the things that made you say it is intelligent? 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by johnydon22(m): 8:48am On Jan 13, 2016 |
Richirich713:Oh No right on the contrary. Nobody is really arguing whether something is eternal or not.. The question is "What?" as a subject of scientific enquiry. When that thing becomes a conscious living humanoid (that somehow doesn't need to be designed also even though it is fine tuned) has a golden mansion somewhere that is actually no where has a son created everything from nothing by talking to himself loves the smell of burning flesh loves the jews is the creator of the whole vast universe but is concerned over mundane activities" then this my good sir is chronic abject delusion speaking not a scientific thesis...A huge lie that is a relic of ancient primitive superstition and personification of natural values. the universe like every other complex natural occurrence developed from simpler forms to more complex form with the interactions of these simpler value Again the word "Created" is not needed here and nobody is arguing "Nothing" 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 2:03pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
zzzzy: good point. |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 2:03pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: lol. this one has problems 2 Likes |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 2:04pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
plaetton: easter bunny too. I wanna see where he comes in 1 Like |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 2:05pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
chiedu7: Ahh...he has an uncle. never knew there was internet in hell tho 3 Likes |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 2:09pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
blueyedgeek: you even know lucifer on a short-form name basis... that's so cute. i wonder how he'll decide between you, hitler and saddam 1 Like |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 2:10pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
blueyedgeek: ask lucie for new year money na.. |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 2:12pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
oglalasioux: you believe what you believe. why don't u let others believe what they will |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 2:14pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
chinnyonwu: y'all could start a new religion and publish this as your book |
Re: Luciferean Series I: Understanding Christianity by Nobody: 2:16pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
blueyedgeek: haha!!! #burn |
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