bqlekan:

like I said earlier, the write up was wonderful. the value of our culture is lost to this foreign religion (extremist) for example, some part in Islam forbids us from kneeling or postrating to ones parent or elders.

like you said, we should embrace our culture, but I believe culture isn't about embracing, I believe its about choosing what to embrace. some embrace ogun, some sango, some oya, some all.

If I'm dumb enough to embrace ogun (god of iron), yes I mean (Fe) or sango, (god of fire, thunder and lightning), why can't I embrace God of everything?

at least, that sounds more logical, considering the fact that I've never seen both sango and God, also, 'God of everything' appears to be greater than god of iron (logically)

Talking about Genealogy, the Jews have a proper documentation of the genealogy of Jesus (pbuh), (the bible) so are the Arabs.. where is my family's documentation?
how am I supposed to know this?

brother, it was once part of our culture to to slay twins,

seclude lepers,

stone ACCUSED witches to death etc.

I'm not willing to go back to that. we need these religions, we just don't need extremism.

johnydon22:


No offence meant here brother but this is exactly the type of African mindset i confessed to be ashamed of.

Anyone who looks at this will already see you know nothing of the Yoruba traditional beliefs even though my wild guess is that you are a yoruba.. I am Igbo but i think i know more of yoruba beliefs than you..

First you think that Yoruba traditional beliefs is about ogun, sango etc and there have no concept of supreme God in yoruba mythology.. you think what yorubas have are just these small deities but the judeo/christian yahweh i take it you are referring as the God of everything.. You are wrong and as an African child should be ashamed of it.

The yoruba traditional beliefs have a concept of a Supreme God and from this supreme God manifests everything there is.

This supreme God in yoruba mythology has three manifestation.. you may call it a trinity..

-Eledumare - creator of everything
-Olorun - ruler of the heavens
-olofi - bridge connecting heaven and earth..

Ogun, sango, esu, obatala and co are minor gods who serve as intermediaries between man and the supreme God..

So you see? you have a distorted view of the yoruba myths fed to you by a twisted colonial micro-phone..

You do not necessarily need to believe these things, i do not believe in God so i do not believe these things but my point here is that as African you need know about your own heritage.

It is a shame to swim in middle eastern myths and beliefs when we know nothing of ours.

You ask!!! Africans have a long aged tradition of documenting by Oral means.. There was no written documentation of my family tree.

I started asking and pressurized my Father to help me, now we have developed a formally written family tree that will be added upon by the coming generations...

Again i am faced with another distorted nollywood influenced view.. Throwing away twins had nothing to do with the African culture in fact it was not done in many parts of the African society.

this was due to ignorance of the people, they did not understand how 1 baby could come out as 2.. of course it had to be evil..

This is just an effect of ignorance on a fearful mind..

Quarantining Lepers or any other contagious diseases is one practised by every culture in this world to prevent spread.. this was also done by the jews and arabs.. read the bible

This one is a lie, please do not lay the atrocities of the jews on Africans..

You can also go to the bible to confirm this... they kill witches

Secondly this is a trade mark of modern day christians here in the south of the Niger, Children and old women are lynched because they are accused of being witches..

And as expected the point of my post.. Culture is different from religion sir and i am not preaching any religion here neither do i even support any.

My point is that we should develop more upon the values left to us by our fore-bears, just take you as an example.. You don't even know the actual religion of your own people.

Please culture is not same as religion.

Culture is made by the people for the people and can be modified or developed by the people and for the people..

so the ideas left to us by our fore-bears can be developed to also reflect our own views and still maintain the original theme of these ideas.

-Masquerades
-Festivals
- Clothing
-Names
-Food
-language
etc this is culture... (Stop mistaking religious beliefs with culture.. )

And most importantly it is also a big shame for you not to know the history, myths and folklore of your own people while you regurgitate the jews and arab history and myths..

I hope i have cleared you on this

urheme:



Those barbaric customs annd traditions you call culture are in themselves bad...they are no where better than religion....i hate them all for inequallity and discrimination against women....it knows no fairness and good conscience......they classify women as lower beings.......some even allow wife beating and marital rape.....they treat women as worthless properties with no price tag......women don't need them revived.

A cultural world is a mans world only and women are slaves.....you see why more women patronise churches than men....is an attempt to break free from cultural chains...i don't blame them.

Let the culture die natural death....i'm one of those that killed it.

matrix600:
there's something you're missing here, one time every developed countries had similar cultures, but just like language and reason, culture also undergoes evolution. The cultural practices of our ancestors were not bound to remain the same forever and ever, at some points there will always be cultural amendments that will be brought by societal awareness. Nearly all religion and culture were once barbaric, but the inevitable thing is transformation. So how can you tell that our cultures would not have evolved or transformed into something better than what we have now if we had maintained them. The imported religious ideas has caused us more harm than good no matter how you look at it. Our cultures were not perfect neither is any religion. I think we would have fared better maintaining what truly represents our identity. My thoughts

Seriously this is wonderful.. someone gets the point..

I wish i believed in God(s) I would have said Chukwu should bless you, or even Eledumare or Amadioha even Yahweh anyone you believe in..

This is exactly what i told him "Well I think our cultures being
relics of a distant past should also be modified upon to also reflect a touch of
our own views while also maintaining it's original theme."

Thank you my brother

MrPresident1:
[b]There at least two 2 distinct groups of people in Africa, the aboriginal Africans who are the real Africans, and the converted Africans who are not originally Africans. Generally speaking, Negroes are not Africans, the original core aboriginal Africans are Hausa people, Fulani people etc. Even within supposed monolithic ethnic groups like the Igbos and Yoruba, there are still these two distinct groups, the aborigines and non aborigines.

The non aboriginal people do not have the same spiritual make up with the aboriginal people who are the real Africans, unfortunately, because of phenotypic contiguity, as we are all black, it is not so easy to pick out immediately who is who.

The non aboriginal people are culturally superior to the aboriginal people (QUOTE ME ANYWHERE) they brought civilisation and learning to the aboriginal heathenistic Africans!

Today, I make bold to declare that if you are not drawn to the Abrahamic faiths you are a heathen and an aboriginal African! and you are inferior!

The spirit of a man guides him, if the spirit in you guides you to the tradition of your fathers, there is nothing wrong with that; the aboriginal African spirit guides you to the culture and tradition of your origins, while the non aboriginal spirit guides you to solace in the culture and traditions of your abrahamic origins.

Every man gravitates towards the inclinations of the spirit inside him.


Enough of bullshiit in the name of knowledge! [/b]

bqlekan:


I know very much of the concept of Osa nla (supreme being) how we believed he created the other deities, I laid emphasis on the likes of ogun, sango, obatala and even esu because they are the peak of Yoruba beliefs, ask a sango worshipper how he got saved from a storm and here him say it was sango. how reasonable is it to say a man who died long time ago is in charge of lightning and thunder? some local bus drivers worship ogun more than the supreme being himself. They even have a mini shrine at home. some of us even worhip esu ( one who doesn't give without taking in folds).

imagine someone from the oje family, (masquerade) told to put on the masquerade attire before a particular problem in his life could be solved. why not pray to the supreme being? instead of running around in the market under intense heat disguising as a masquerade.

bro, we as humans want something easy, something not rigorous.. sitting and praying to an imaginary God is easier than dancing around, beheading a dog, or prostrating in front of a lifeless idol.

why not worship the supreme being, and ditch the representation of some dead heroes..

it's good you said I don't need to believe.. I can assure you I know a great deal about my culture, that was why I didn't follow blindly, I embraced the necessary ones and discarded the unnecessaries.

you seem not to understand my question here, I mean, how m I supposed to know my genealogy from Oduduwa when there is no proper documentation..

I ask a lot of questions and Godwilling, I can draw out my family tree right from when my great grand father converted to Islam.

the ignorance culture could not bring an end too, but religion did right?

when did leaving lepers to die in the bush and their corpse left to decay became QUARANTINE?

no its not a lie, religion helped in
reducing this.. I will take Omu-Oke (a town in Ekiti state) as an instance, witches now co exist with ordinary humans, religion thought us to let them be.

brother, I get your point, all in saying is that religions has improved our culture in one way or the other. western civilisation also thought us not to just follow things blindly, we should reflect on what we learnt and see how it fits into our everyday life and society.

matrix600:
your ideas are really warped sir, this aboriginal and non-aboriginal thing you're talking about, is it determined biologically or by choice. I want to know

MrPresident1:
[b]

Today, I make bold to declare that if you are not drawn to the Abrahamic faiths you are a heathen and an aboriginal African! and you are inferior!

plaetton:


This is the silliest, most outrageous statement I have seen this year.

plaetton:


This is the silliest, most outrageous statement I have seen this year.

MrPresident1:


It is determined spiritually, you gravitate towards it because your spirit will direct you. If you do not gravitate towards the Abrahamics, simple, it is not in you. If you gravitate towards atheism and other fallacious idiocies such as the world is just one random mess and you have no purpose whatsoever in the universe, that is your spirit guiding you. If you gravitate towards bowing to stick and stones, bruv, that is your spirit.

Phenotypic contiguity, because we are all black, is the reason you think we are all the same, we are not all the same, we have different spiritual make up, just like Mac is different from Linus which is also different from windows 7 they are all operating system software but they are not the same.

Enough of bullshiit in the name of knowledge!

johnydon22:

It is amazing how someone can proudly avow such fatuous assertion

matrix600:
How do you feel saying things like this? Dont you realize that we've divided ourselves too much already? Why would you want to promote further division by making claims of some people being inferior aboriginals and others being superior non-aboriginals. How can you even spit something like this without remorse. Whatever be your source of this claim is evil. Please examinine yourself very well. Dont throw in more confusion, we have enough already.

johnydon22:
I have no reason to derail my own thread so i will let the irrelevant show of lunacy pass for another day

MrPresident1:
[b]There at least two 2 distinct groups of people in Africa, the aboriginal Africans who are the real Africans, and the converted Africans who are not originally Africans. Generally speaking, Negroes are not Africans, the original core aboriginal Africans are Hausa people, Fulani people etc. Even within supposed monolithic ethnic groups like the Igbos and Yoruba, there are still these two distinct groups, the aborigines and non aborigines.

The non aboriginal people do not have the same spiritual make up with the aboriginal people who are the real Africans, unfortunately, because of phenotypic contiguity, as we are all black, it is not so easy to pick out immediately who is who.

The non aboriginal people are culturally superior to the aboriginal people (QUOTE ME ANYWHERE) they brought civilisation and learning to the aboriginal heathenistic Africans! They came from heaven, Oduduwa came from heaven, superior beings who came from heaven!

Today, I make bold to declare that if you are not drawn to the Abrahamic faiths you are a heathen and an aboriginal African! and you are inferior!

The spirit of a man guides him, if the spirit in you guides you to the tradition of your fathers, there is nothing wrong with that; the aboriginal African spirit guides you to the culture and tradition of your origins, while the non aboriginal spirit guides you to solace in the culture and traditions of your abrahamic origins.

Every man gravitates towards the inclinations of the spirit inside him.


Enough of bullshiit in the name of knowledge! [/b]

krayzieklay:



Sir, no offence, but I think you are slightly stupiid.

Pls, go check yourself.

MrPresident1:


The lunatic is the one who observes the design, beauty, order, and complexity of the universe and then concludes right-away that everything is random. Such people who profess and confess these kind of thoughts should be chained with the thickest manacles and confined to the deepest recesses of sanatoriums designed for the management of the most intractable cases of destructive human psychosis.

Bullshiit must stop being peddled as knowledge!

MrPresident1:


I understand you, this is why I keep my peace most times. Believers in the randomness of their occurrence, with no purposes whatsoever in the universe should stop looking down on people who believe in the design and deliberateness of their own existence. Either way, both takes a belief system, both requires faith, faith to either believe everything is randomnised or faith to believe everything is designed.

Bullshiit must stop being peddled as knowledge!

MrPresident1:


I understand you, this is why I keep my peace most times. Believers in the randomness of their occurrence, with no purposes whatsoever in the universe should stop looking down on people who believe in the design and deliberateness of their own existence. Either way, both takes a belief system, both requires faith, faith to either believe everything is randomnised or faith to believe everything is designed.

Bullshiit must stop being peddled as knowledge!

matrix600:
If we follow your line of thought we lose the chance of having any kind of oneness, this is a dangerous stance. I dont mean to insult you sir but please stop 'peddling your bullshit as knowledge'. Common sense can work magic sir.

GooseBaba:


Smh....this is 2016 Bros.... I suggest you take your last sentence seriously.

With all your unnecessary gra gra, you cannot even comprehend the OP.. Abeg go drink water. You're clearly dehydrated.

Goosebaby , Happy New Year!

MrPresident1:


I am trying to relate with you like you like you have some sense, you will stay within the bounds of propriety or you will be smashed to pieces. I told you I hold my peace most times because I wouldn't want to be seen as a divider, I'd rather a uniter. But truth be told, believers in the randomness of their lives should stop looking down on the believers of the intelligent design of their lives, it is incongruous!

Bullshit must stop being peddled as knowledge!

matrix600:
whoever mentioned randomness of life in this thread, you claim you're not a divider but thats what you're clearly doing..why would you classify some people as inferior just because they dont share your Abrahamic beliefs..even your fellow Abrahamic believers are divided among themselves. Quit the double standard sir, What makes you think your own knowledge is not Bullshit. Anyway lets not derail the thread. To each his own

MrPresident1:


Goosebaby , Happy New Year!

MrPresident1:


Where does your spirit draw you towards? The Abrahamic faiths, or atheism, or stick and stones? If it is the latter two, you are inferior!

Bullshiit must stop being peddled as knowledge!

MrPresident1:


Where does your spirit draw you towards? The Abrahamic faiths, or atheism, or stick and stones? If it is the latter two, you are inferior!

Bullshiit must stop being peddled as knowledge!

GooseBaba:


The great loquacious demented hebrew wannabe .. I hail ohhh... Happy new year to you too..!

But Bros, come ohh..E never reach wey you go drop this self loathing beliefs. The overall purpose of your beliefs is to preserve the legacies of someone else's ancestors while you disregard and condemn yours.

matrix600:
A superior mind, a superior personality recognises the value of humility, superiority does not go about measuring itself with anything and it definitely does not point to anyone as inferior. Notice that your perceived superiority proves only insecurity so before you start labelling anyone inferior, examine yourself well. I am not what you label me, i am what i label myself. You can claim all the superiority in the world my friend, thats your cup of tea.

Acute and Chronic madness is not approached with kid gloves abi how can someone look at the beauty and mathematical precision of the universe and then conclude that his life is meaningless and random, and of no purpose whatsoever? You cannot see that that is chronic craze abi?

Now tell me again, where does your spirit gravitate toward, atheism, stick and stones, or the Abrahamic faith? Remember that all of them are heritages.

MrPresident1:


The visitors from heaven conquered and civilised the heathens who were on earth. Tell me, Goosebaby, where does your spirit gravitate toward? Oh, I know!!! We have had this argument countless times...Stick and stones!!!

Inferior people!