jalether:

^^^^^^^We are talking abt the general here, stevie G, even tho I am not a big fan of his, I still think he
deserves more credit (hugely underrated outside England) btw kaka is not all that fantastic for brazil neither

ritchboy:

chic2pimp
those are league stats. Why not post the "overall" stats, as u would say. Or are the domestic cups & d ucl irrelevant?
Also, stats dont even tell a quater of the story. . . If we go by stats, lampard is a better player than zidane. How absurd?

dayokanu:

Gerrard is one of the most overrated players around

chic2pimp:

I actually think Gerrard is one of the few worldclass english players around.

~Sauron~:

Gerrard is nowhere near world class. . . . .
Are you people living in a parallel universe?

Stevie G is all hype, no substance.
World class players inspire their team mates to win league titles.
How can you be world class without having a league title next to your name?

World class ko, County class ni.

chic2pimp:

Nah mate Gerrard is Worldclass!!!! . He is probably the best box to box midfielder in the world and oh he also inspired his team to champions league glory.

~Sauron~:

Inspired what? I will slap that smirk off your face you errorist.
Liverpool won the UCL because of Didi Hamann, not GERRARD.

Ladies n Gent2men, i present Stevie G(The bestest midfielder in the world against Estonia).


Count the number of times Gerrard made the wrong choice trying to find the hollywood pass in that clip.
Fabregas, Essien, Hargreaves and Arteta are all better than Stevie G(never mind the army of quality midfielders in Europe).

chic2pimp:

That video proved Zilch!!!!. It was probably done by a Hater.

How you can sit there and type Gerrard was not the main catalyst for Liverpool's comeback defies belief. Sure Didi came in and enhanced the midfield however Gerrard was the main man   . BTW,only Fab4 & Essien comes close to gerrard in that list of yours.

~Sauron~:

So the hater was a sorceress who rewired Gerrard's brain cells to be playing rubbish?
Like i always tell you guys. . . . .Gust busting players are the most useless players on the pitch.
Of course, they get the media wankfest cos fans remember what they do while running around like a headless chicken but if you take time to analyse their productivity, they are a pile of self-service.

~Sauron~:

Apart from diving to win a penalty as usual . . . .Gerrard did nothing.
Didi was the main catalyst that galvanised the Liverpool midfield that was outfought in the first half.
Gerrard got the praises because he is English. QED!!! Lampard shits all over Gerrard and Owen Hargreaves makes Stevie G look like an amateur.

chic2pimp:

Gerrard is not like Tevez ya know? There is actually brains behind those brawns of his. Don't let the drive, passion & heart the dude has full you guys. Some of his passes would leave you gasping. . . . . . Had Stevie G accepted Mourinho's offer to join Chelsea,I bet you won't be uttering these same words. BTW,I think you'll find the supposed wankfest is the preserve of Man united players only.

Gerrard was the most vital player in the liverpool team that night. Not only did he win the penalty kick that completed the comeback,he also scored the goal that proved the catalyst for the comeback. I bet you also conveniently forgot his all action display that saw him even play right back @ one point in the match. Lastly neither Lamps nor Hargo shit over Gerrard. I rate Gerrard & Lampard equally and hagreaves some way behind them.

~Sauron~:

United players tonnes of trophies to show for their hype.
In the last 2 seasons, they have beaten all the relevant teams in Europe, they have won the UCL and they won 3 league titles in the toughest league in the world. I think they have justified the hype lavished on em. Gerrard hasn't. In the season Stevie G won the UCL, his team finished with a staggering 38 points below the league leaders. You are not a worthy champion of the UCL without winning your domestic league.

~Sauron~:

He dived to win the penalty kick. . . . .Stop saying he won it genuinely.

I don't have a problem with you rating Gerrard and Lampard ahead of Hargreaves AS LONG AS we both know you live in a parallel universe.
When the push came to a shove, Hargo showed English fans he was better than the media boys at the last world cup.
He was the best English player in Germany and when the media boys failed to bury their penalty kicks due to nerves, Hargo buried his.

If we take the Canadian roots away from Hargreaves, he woulda been the best English midfielder since Glen Hoddle.

chic2pimp:

I also think Gerrard's hype is justified. He has saved his best performances for the grandest of ocassions(fa cup final & champs lge final). Bear in mind gerrard has also put in great performances for liverpool both @ home and in europe. All that remains is for him to win the premier league  trophy.

There was certainly contact from Gattuso. Whether that contact was sufficient enough for him to go down in the manner that he did is another issue altogether.

Definitely there is no denying it,Hargo was the best english player in Germany but Is the best english Midfielder since Hoddle? Not too sure about that.

When the push came to a shove, Hargo showed English fans he was better than the media boys at the last world cup.
He was the best English player in Germany and when the media boys failed to bury their penalty kicks due to nerves, Hargo buried his.

If we take the Canadian roots away from Hargreaves, he woulda been the best English midfielder since Glen Hoddle

~Sauron~:

FA cup final against West Ham?? Are you serious?
How is it different to what Fletcher did in 2004 when United destroyed Millwall FC.

~Sauron~:

Load of tosh. . . . . .Gerrard dived!!!

~Sauron~:


So where was the bestest midfielder in the universe during the world cup?
When the time came for him to stand up and be counted during the shoot-out, Gerrard froze in the biggest game of his career.

dayokanu:

I cant but agree. in Euro 2004 too Hargreaves buried his penalty despite loads of coaching from Eusebio to Ricardo.

Hargreaves learnt from the school of Hard knocks. Jeremies, Effenberg and Scholl.

Is it a coincidence that Hargreaves is the best Dead ball guy in England.

chic2pimp:

Fletcher ke? I thought it was Ronaldo who decimated Millwall. Btw,you can't compare WestHam to Millwall.

Liverpool fans and a few others would beg to differ

So cuz Hargo had a better worldcup,he is suddenly the better player?

His stint at Bayern Munich overshadowed his talents cos British pundits are narrow-minded and they cannot see beyond the EPL.

~Sauron~:

Inspired what? I will slap that smirk off your face you errorist.
Liverpool won the UCL because of Didi Hamann, not GERRARD.

Ladies n Gent2men, i present Stevie G(The bestest midfielder in the world against Estonia).

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Count the number of times Gerrard made the wrong choice trying to find the hollywood pass in that clip.
Fabregas, Essien, Hargreaves and Arteta are all better than Stevie G(never mind the army of quality midfielders in Europe).

jalether:

Sauron, you have reached a conclusion that stevie G is overrated on the basis of one game(england-estonia) and his lack of EPL title

according to your twisted sense of reasoning a player that has never won an EPL title is not world class, that will make the likes of

Fabregas,Arshavin,Torres not world class as well right SMH

~Sauron~:

Fabregas, Arshavin and Torres are not world class BUT they have the potentials to become one later in future.
Cesc is not guaranteed a starting shirt for Spain so what makes him world class?
Arshavin is nowhere near world class and Torres still has a lot to prove.

For now, only 3 players make that elite clique and they are Kaka, Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo.
There's no team in the world these 3 players will not start.
Others are just hustling to make that grade.

dayokanu:

A truly world class would start in any team in the world.

Fabregas cant even start for his national team that disqualifies him from that world class status

~Sauron~:


He has always shown his class whenever he wears the 3 Lions shirt.
Apart from Rooney in Euro 2004, he was the best player in that tournament also.
His stint at Bayern Munich overshadowed his talents cos British pundits are narrow-minded and they cannot see beyond the EPL.
When u watch Hargo in possession, u see guile, verve and panache. Something Gerrard/Lampard lack in big games.
If we had him last season, we woulda decimated Barcelona.

tayoccu:


I put it to you that Fab4, AA23 and el nino will start in the 3lions and the nazi team.

if you're basing world class status on the basis of having a starting shirt in your national team, that means you guys do not regard juninho pernabucano as a world class player (@ his peak)

tayoccu:

if you're basing world class status on the basis of having a starting shirt in your national team, that means you guys do not regard juninho pernabucano as a world class player (@ his peak)

~Sauron~:

Fabregas, Arshavin and Torres are not world class BUT they have the potentials to become one later in future.
Cesc is not guaranteed a starting shirt for Spain so what makes him world class?
Arshavin is nowhere near world class and Torres still has a lot to prove.

For now, only 3 players make that elite clique and they are Kaka, Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo.
There's no team in the world these 3 players will not start.
Others are just hustling to make that grade.

ritchboy:

There are only 3 world class players in the world?
I'm laughing with autotune on a kanye west beat @ 1000 bpm

P.S. Kaka wont start for "any" team in la liga not to mention d world. Who would he bench at barca? Xavi or Iniesta?

jalether:

What happens to players like Iniesta, Xavi, Drogba, Eto'o, Ribery, david Villa& silva,  the listed players will conveniently

start in any national team in the world.

sauron please don't argue just for the sake of it, I am very sure you know at the back of your mind that you chatting poppycocks