unphilaz:


Thanks that is your opinion... but this is not a thread to defend the corruption of the book or not but to Know that you need to believe that Jesus Christ is not just Man, nor just a prophet but The Son of God... so that



Do you accept this condition for the discussion

I keep telling you...son of God is not God . and in the bible there are numerous sons of God. For the sake of argument, show me where he's God .

unphilaz:


Clap for yourself...for quoting from the bible, the book which you are fighting so hard to reject, infact hacbib stated that its not the revelation of God to Jesus Christ... so are you accepting the two conditions above?

The bible disagrees with you.
Go on

mustymatic:

I keep telling you...son of God is not God . and in the bible there are numerous sons of God. For the sake of argument, show me where he's God .

First of all, do you accept this condition first of all,

Now, to put forth a standard which we will agree upon...

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...
2. You agree that the Scripture in circulation is the BOOK that the Koran spoke of and its same as when mohammed met christians... if you have any objection... please give us the BOOK refered in this Surah, if you have none, then it means the current Scripture is the Book.

unphilaz:


Aight, noted the bolded, now throwing the ball into your court, where can i find this revelation which the koran is pointing US to... can you present it up for us to use as yardstick to present Jesus Christ as Son of God! Waiting!!!



The italics is for another thread which i will explore further.



Since you did not address this you are in perfect agreement. However, we cannot continue until you present the revelation to Jesus Christ which we would use for this discussion.

Qur'an Chapter 5:46
And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).

5:47
And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.

5:48
And We have revealed to you (Muhammad) the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;

We believe in the Injeel which was the revelation given to Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him). The bible that we have today is the corrupted form of the original injeel revealed to Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him). I'm sure you will agree with me that the bible 'as a whole' cannot be considered to be the word of Almighty God. This is for the fact that this bible contains some remnants of the original injeel,it also contains words of prophets, words of historians, numerous contradictions, mathemetical and scientific errors, unfortunately, it contains some absurdities. Can we then attribute all the errors there in to the Almighty God? CERTAINLY NOT!

Despite all these, the truth left in the bible of today is sufficient enough to prove that Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him) never claimed divinity but was a pious servant and messenger of Almighty God.

Therefore, we muslims have got no objection in accepting that portion of the bible which matches with the Noble Qur'an as the word of God.

I'd like to state that my post here is neither to ridicule anyone nor to condemn anyone, it's solely for the sake of clarity and understanding.

unphilaz:


Hahaha.. please on one post, you refuse to accept the bible as the book referred to as sent to people in surah 16:43-45, however in your bid to show how father/son relationship (muslim mind) is a master/slave relationship, you made reference to the same bible... so what will you say now... are you by this accepting that the bible - is the book sent by allah in this verse

I guess your question has been answered in my last post.

I never accept a man as God. My God is Allah master of the day of judgment.

habicab:


Qur'an Chapter 5:46
And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).

5:47
And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.

5:48
And We have revealed to you (Muhammad) the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;

We believe in the Injeel which was the revelation given to Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him). The bible that we have today is the corrupted form of the original injeel revealed to Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him). I'm sure you will agree with me that the bible 'as a whole' cannot be considered to be the word of Almighty God. This is for the fact that this bible contains some remnants of the original injeel,it also contains words of prophets, words of historians, numerous contradictions, mathemetical and scientific errors, unfortunately, it contains some absurdities. Can we then attribute all the errors there in to the Almighty God? CERTAINLY NOT!

Despite all these, the truth left in the bible of today is sufficient enough to prove that Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him) never claimed divinity but was a pious servant and messenger of Almighty God.

Therefore, we muslims have got no objection in accepting that portion of the bible which matches with the Noble Qur'an as the word of God.

I'd like to state that my post here is neither to ridicule anyone nor to condemn anyone, it's solely for the sake of clarity and understanding.

Thus in order words, you dont have the original yet you claim the one we have is not the original... Now since you have not the original, you will accept that the bible is what we will show that Jesus(Prince of True Peace) is not just man,prophet but Son of God.

facheux:
I never accept a man as God. My God is Allah master of the day of judgment.

Now, to put forth a standard which we will agree upon...

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...
2. You agree that the Scripture in circulation is the BOOK that the Koran spoke of and its same as when mohammed met christians... if you have any objection... please give us the BOOK refered in this Surah, if you have none, then it means the current Scripture is the Book.

Just agree to set the ball rolling... you sound confident of yourself, just accept the above and see if you will not believe that Jesus (Prince of True Peace) is NOT just a Man,Prophet but Son of God.

unphilaz:


Thus in order words, you dont have the original yet you claim the one we have is not the original... Now since you have not the original, you will accept that the bible is what we will show that Jesus(Prince of True Peace) is not just man,prophet but Son of God.

Whether we all like it or not, the truth will always be the truth and it's always very bitter.

So, please go ahead with your enlightenment and kindly clarify to we your audience which version of the bible you want to use as a reference and the reason why you chose it in preference to the other numerous versions.

Thanks in advance...