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Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by alanmwene: 12:35pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
Fulaman198:sure there are Nigerians that are doing well in school ,but to say that they are n01 in uk and usa isn't true,specially in maths and physics.And it is easy to prove it. If you take maths and physics for example,there is no Nigerian teaching these subjects in the top usa scientific school(Harvard,MIT,Stanford).Just check it online and it take just 2minutes to do that,In Harvard maths and physics,mboyo esole is the only black there.In the MIT,you have one Nigerian teaching computer science and at stannford you have also 3 Nigerians teaching engineering.The 2 best Nigerian mathematicians in usa are kate okikuolu(more british than Nigerian) and adebisi agboola.And they aint teaching in great universities.Definitely you cant compare Nigerians to Russians or Indians or Indians who have produced the likes a grigori Perelman(Fields medallist for the Poincare conjecture) or manjul bhargava(Fields medallist) or Terence tao (fields medallist).Lets stop exagerations and tell the truth:asians(chineses and Indians) are by far the best minorities in academics in usa coz ,right now,they dominate in maths and physics in all the best universities in America!And I think that with the right investments francophone Africans,specially camerouneses,congoloses,benineses can give them a run for their money(specially if they are trained in school like Normal sup in France). Young Asians in Harvard:Best students in physics! https://www.physics.harvard.edu/node/441 And one of them (shu-heng shao) works with mboyo esole: http://arxiv.org/abs/1504.01387 Best student in maths at Harvard:Ravi jagadeesan https://cogito.cty.jhu.edu/43529/take-five-ravi-jagadeesan-mathscholar/ He has worked with mboyo esole: http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.05070 2 Likes |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by Fulaman198(m): 12:39pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
alanmwene: You Congolese are in utter denial: http://www.zdnet.com/article/nigerians-have-the-highest-level-of-education-in-the-us/ 1 Like |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by Fulaman198(m): 12:42pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
It's a shame that there are Africans who have to hate on the fact that other African nations are topping education in 2 countries U.K. and U.S. So because it's a black man doing well, na denial go catch you? 2 Likes |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by Nobody: 1:19pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
Fulaman198: Am from a Bantu country, and I do not doubt that Nigerians are doing so well academically. And in business. But many African Americans are Nigerian descendants. They have mostly been mixing amongst themselves so the west African element is strong, except for the recently mixed races. Which is not even that high. So the disparity is not making sense. The op is refering to a system of selection for immigrants, intentioned or not. The Nigerians in the US are most likely to excell because they are there with that goal in mind. To study. They will do everything in their power to succeed in a land they believe is a land of milk and honey, you just work your best and you will be getting to a flood gate of money and educating your entire village back home. That is the selective mechanism at play. I've seen posts here on NL about Nigerian students working hard with the sole aim of getting admission into a US school. It was the same in my country some years back when the economy was restricted to benefit afew individuals of a particular ethnicity. Many of my classmates that left then are still in the US. African Americans in comparison are in their mind in a land that they were dragged onto as unequal, unprivileged and oppressed inhabitants. Their (those who are not as successful) perception and experience of the land of milk and honey is just the opposite of what an African migrants perception is. The difference is in the attitude. It is also a fact that there are many successful AAs and they exceed the number of successful Nigerians in the US. Just as the number of successful Nigerians in Nigeria will exceed the number of successful African American Immigrants in Nigeria. It's a matter of statistical comparisons. I have tried to search African American millionares, education, success, and all research I've seen is presented from a negative perspective toward the African American population, and in comparison with mismatched factors. What you find is things like comparison of the African American low income household with the 1% richest, the white millionares verses the poor African American households, percentage of African student immigrants compared to percent age of African American students. I'd like to know how many African Americans graduate annually in numbers, not a comparison within a comparison. And how many Nigerians in America(US) graduate annually. 1 Like |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by alanmwene: 1:23pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
Fulaman198:These aren't not a very meaningful statistics coz it just about collecting the number of people having a degree or higher,regardless of the quality of the degree.It is more quantity than quality! To dominate academics is to be the best in the universities and produce the best papers.In that respect Nigerians are no where to be seen!Next,you will tell me that enoch opeyemi ,a Nigerian mathematician, has sold the riemman hypothesis 1 Like |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by RandomAfricanAm: 10:02pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
Fulaman198: @Fulaman198 Been awhile man I really enjoyed being around here. I'd say this is the first place I've had regular conversations with a multitude of different people from/on the continent & Caribbean; it has been a pleasurable experience. Which is another reason I have reservations about this topic ...though I do know exactly what @KidStranglehold is talking about. Though it seems to be mainly an NYC(everybody), Minneapolis(Somali), DC(Ethiopian), Florida(Bahamas, Cuba, & Haiti) phenomena. For instance the guy who lived across from me was from st. Thomas in the Caribbean married to a southern woman down here. The lady who manages buildings around here is from Puerto Rico and married to a Nigerian man with the last name "yoba". Very pleasant people. An ethiopian family runs a copy & print shop by campus and I sware she's like a lost aunt when I speak to her. Quick story: I thought the Ethiopian lady was from India at first but she was waaaaay nicer then any Indian person I've met. So I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong about india because her mannerisms was different also, I just couldn't pin it. Then she turned around to procces my payment and i'm like .... only african people got a booty like that.(I felt bad cause she was much older then me .......) then I looked up and saw pictures of her daughter in traditional dress and said "oh, hey are you guys from Ethiopia(could've been Eritrea)" and she's like "how did you know" ....I'm standing there like"wild guess" .... .......... Anyway, it seems to happen when there is enough of an ethnic group present that they can section themselves off from African Americans. Otherwise you have to deal with people one on one and you can separate the good from the bad, which is basically the case down here. Right now I'm working on my online videogame trade/exchange business. www.videogamestashbox.com The plan is to use the game trade service to fund independent software design, development, and training. I figure that I can perform the software engineering myself then train people to do the programming. I can do the engineering work all the way down to the pseudo code. I can train highschool(even middleschool) students to program and implement pseudo code. Though I'll probably just train young adults 18-25 year olds who need a job. I'm also running my indiegogo campaign... http://igg.me/at/videogamestashbox/x/13349858 My service is up and running I just need funds to expand. I also need to recoup some of my investments that resulted in debt, which also slows growth. Lastly, I'm working on updating an older project which is a software development pipeline for game development. I want to make the pipeline (along with video showing me go through the pipeline to produce a game) public so that people have a clear idea of what goes into game design & development. This is what I was doing when the big data wipe happened that forced me to leave(I had put in a lot of work on this) https://www.nairaland.com/2852742/topic-construction-ue3 http://www.thecoli.com/threads/watch-us-make-a-game-using-unreal-engine-3.391161/ www.nairaland.com/attachments/3278253_classdiagram_pngb44e1621666542daad00dd2f4e9c3cc8 Other then that I'm also taking medu neter(Ancient Egyptian language/writing) classes. so yeah Im booked .... 1 Like |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by RandomAfricanAm: 9:07am On Mar 01, 2016 |
Still in collection mode about some things. There are alot of mini discusions going on here so I have to break down each. I'm currently looking through my books/notes for... 1. A passage I read awhile back in my copy of the book "among the igbos of Nigeria" by g. basden Talking about the people trained by the missionaries and the purpose / function of them. 2. A philosophical paper on Section on the training of men over women by the colonialist and how that effected the 3. A political paper / historical analysis on the birth of corruption by a Nigerian author Details of "warrant chiefs" installed by the colonialist to serve as surrogates of their authority over the populace I really should look into Jamaica and the clerk system there but I don't have the textual data to do so. Essentially when they ran out of Europeans to do certain jobs they had to train the local enslaved populous to do those jobs instead resulting in social stratification of people. Note: I'm not approaching the education strand of this topic at face value. I don't believe it relay has anything to do with "education" * partly cause I don't agree with most peoples definition of education * partly because I feel like African Americans are actually one of the best "trained" group of Africans in the world * partly because my opinion is that very few Africans peoples anywhere ...continent or diaspora are truly "educated" I feel this topics issue has more to do with "status" or specifically how do/did certain areas/endeavors become "valued" in distinct societies. It was a good while ago when I read the above text but it may be applicable to the "education" aspect of this discussion, particularly the "why" this or "why" that angle. @kidstranglehold hey, you ask for me to join in. I gotta do my research man ...though really I've already done the reading I just have to find the text/quotes. That said this old post of mine maybe of interest to certain threads obtained in this overall discussion.... https://www.nairaland.com/2253974/#32737117 I don't agree with everything here ...but I suggest watching to get an idea of where I'm going to come from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyifWls-VBI |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by RandomAfricanAm: 4:35pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Figured I'd throw a party here since I have some time here... @KidStranglehold @kingston277 @fulaman198 @Bigfrancis21 KidStranglehold: While I'm certainly aware that this exist I've never seen it outside of youtube videos. Even here on nairaland culture board I haven't run into it much. That said there is a general low level cutting down of other ethnic groups across the board be they African Americans abroad or people who live down the road in Nigeria. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpwgbXPhh70 I tend to lump AA jabs in with garden variety tribalism and keep it pushing. I'm far more disturbed by the self hate & "Afro-pessimism" that I read here from time to time. As someone who see's the potential we all have that's far more depressing to me than the low level jabs at the diaspora. ...I tell myself this has got to be white folks or something at least @kingston277 has taken up the mantel to beat back the hoards KidStranglehold: I'm not quite sure how you re defining "minority group" here. It seems as though you maybe using a political/legal designation versus a straight numerical count of (not)being the majority in the jurisdiction. If the key delineator is political/legal "disenfranchised" then your going in the direction I'm going with my argument namely.... African Americans have a wider array of priorities( sovereignty ) on their political plate to deal with here then simply... 1. Go to school 2. Get a job 3. Smile. Now that's not to say others don't various priorities as well nor is it me putting forth an either or proposition..... that said I'll hold off on this one for now.(it could go on awhile) KidStranglehold: There is something else that needs to be added here when talking about the population of African Americans. Before I go further let me clear up the numbers... There are enough African Americans (45 - 50)million to completely repopulate 1. Canada - 35.16 million (2013) ....and 5+ small states in the U.S. 2. The Entire Caribbean - 42+/- million ....and 5 small states in the U.S. 3. The Entire Central America - 42+/- million ....and 5 small states in the U.S. 4. Louisiana 4.65 million + Mississippi 2.994 million + Alabama 4.849 million + Georgia 10.1 million + South Carolina 4.832 million + North Carolina 9.944 million [img]http://officialnewbamako.files./2014/12/map_of_usa_jf.png[/img] 5. Central Africa minus Congo & chad(AA would be around 6th largest country population wise in Africa) Point being that making a call on all African Americans based on ...screw it I'll go big, even 100 people(and that's an exaggeration) makes about as much sense as me going to Cape Verdi and making a call on all of west Africa. You can't go to New York or see something about Chicago on TV and make a call on people on the other side of the American continent. People think "oh AA are just a small group of people in the U.S." .....no there is a huuuge amount of African Americans here! KidStranglehold: Wait ...oh so that's the angle?! So we are talking about people still in Nigeria aggrandizing themselves(and putting others down) based off the accomplishments of people abroad? ...or more specifically saying that they, still in Nigeria are better then people they have never met "African Americans" based not off their own accomplishments, but the accomplishments of those expats I thought we were talking about people who are actually in the U.S. ...or at least have been to the U.S. These other peoples opinions might be as valid as someones opinion of Africa based solely on watching the discovery channel. I don't even know if it's worth the time then... KidStranglehold: Bingo KidStranglehold: Double Bingo KidStranglehold: Triple Bingo KidStranglehold: The green high lite is exactly what I would say as well and also what the comparative evidence shows for migrants. Actually if you want a good test find a population of refugees instead of migrants and run the numbers. That said refugees are typically reviewed before being given acceptance into the host country but it's still a better test... KidStranglehold: This goes back to what I said before... "So we are talking about people still in Nigeria aggrandizing themselves(and putting others down) based off the accomplishments of people abroad?" I thought we were talking about the migrants themselves comments not those left behind. To be clear I don't see anything wrong with taking pride/inspiration in the accomplishments of others. I'm simply questioning their capacity to make a call based on their countrymen's accomplishments and whatever they've seen in TV/Movies about the target group been compared against. KidStranglehold: Yeah that was a good doc and exactly what I was thinking about.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn5pfdIe9rY There is also this article(which actually reads like a hit piece to me...) http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB984521987681892576 [size=16pt]African-Americans in Ghana[/size] ....Mona Boyd, an Arkansas native married to a Ghanaian, runs a car-rental agency in Accra. Ada Willoughby, a retiree from Tennessee who moved here in 1995, remains even after her husband's death from cerebral malaria. Michael Williams was the head of the African Studies program at Simmons College in Boston when he came here looking for a wife. He married a Ghanaian woman, Afua, in 1995 and stayed on to run an exchange program for U.S. students. Another professor, Lisa Aubrey, bought a house and, keeping her post at Ohio University, teaches part of the year at Ghana's leading university. ... The people who can afford to migrate are professionals, retirees, and people with drive who open there own shops. Sounds familiar? Again, the act of migrating is a filter in and of itself. KidStranglehold: See Above: KidStranglehold: Sorry it took so long to reply. Been busy opening a business if you get time check me out at [url]videogamestashbox.com[/url] and leave me some feedback! |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by ireneony(f): 7:04am On Apr 05, 2016 |
tonychristopher:you are one sided. You are Talking about AA as if nigeria is any better. Bros talk true. 1 Like |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by Nobody: 3:58pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
ireneony: With Buhari in charge(a former dictator) and many predicting a decline in Nigeria's economy(recession), no Nigerian should be talking crap. Period. |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by bigfrancis21: 4:25pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
KidStranglehold: Presidents come and go but human capital development remains with the people. With Trump coming into power, we cannot expect all the best for African Americans neither. |
Re: Refuting The Myth:African Americans Vs Africans(Nigerians) In America by Nobody: 5:02pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: And I agree 100%. But the thing... We didn't elect Trump. Anyways, I been speaking with MANY Nigerians especially this good Igbo guy and they are all concerned about Buhari and for good reasons. After I am done visiting Ethiopia, I would like to visist Nigeria. IMO Nigeria needs a pan-Nigerian leader. Not more false "visionary" leaders who prey on false hope. Just an outsiders opinion. |
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