adsonstone:


It is insulting when you say another person has 'little or no I.Q., and needs cheese balls and bobo juice to reason better.'

Imagine such was said to you, or your dad...or even any grown friend of yours...in your presence; how will it sound? Like an insult or not?

I wouldn't dwell on that anyway.



1. You did not say when the word 'Oba' enter into the Edo lexicon.
2. What is the 'deep meaning' of Oba in Edo?

The word/title Oba only started to exist when Oba Eweka created it.

"The title of Oba was created by Oba Eweka I, Benin Empire's first 'Oba', who is said to have ascended to power at some time between 1180 and 1300."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oba_of_Benin

Oba as used in the Yoruba Language was adopted from the Edo people.



"The Benin word for King is Ogie or Ogiso changed to Oba"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oba_(ruler)

Though, it (Ogiso) literally means 'King(s) of the sky' but realistically; it means King ordained by God or God ordained king.

ihuanedo.ning.com/m/blogpost?id=2971192%3ABlogPost%3A58541

The first Ogiso was Obagodo.

The last Ogiso was Owodo.

Oronmiyan left a pregnant queen behind and never set his eyes on Eweka till death.

Who crowned him Oba Eweka? Definitely not a Yoruba person. The Edos did.

mrDennis:
Am a proud bini man and I make bold to say I CONCUR ! If not for the fact that it was an abomination for a non-Benin man to speak bini back in the old days by now Benin would be a 'major' language second only to Hausa .

People who do not know facts don't know the IBO race/kingdom started after *EBO* meaning yellow man a prince of Benin kingdom was banished accross the Niger and the place was called *ONITSE* meaning "it's enough". Today it is called onitsha . And the whites who couldn't understand bini called them IBO (he-bo)

Ile ife learnt its bronze casting from Benin also it's crafts that's a fact , also bini kingdom was a a very diplomatic kingdom and thus we had lots of ambassaodors , thus the oranmiyan story

Truth be told this is a clarion call to all binis around the world to start putting pressure on FG to revert to regional system let's take ondo , delta, bayelsa and anambra territories back!

This is crazy
No
This is madness
No
This is stupid , delusional and madness at the same time




Is it the Benin igbo conquered during ancient and modern wars

christopher123:


This is crazy
No
This is madness
No
This is stupid , delusional and madness at the same time




Is it the Benin igbo conquered during ancient and modern wars

It is delusional, I agree. The ancient and modern conquests, I will let slide.

dreamworld:
Art of land grabbing

Whar is there to grab in Benin?

samuel051:

and where in the world does witches or bad people don't exist, try to think b4 u talk and not d oda way round.
and where in the world does witches or bad people don't exist, try to think b4 u talk and not d oda way round.

witchcraft dey affect your English sef

Ricmayak1:
This is how they gradually start war. When the heat is on them, they start crying innocence all over.

Share/Tsaragi comes to mind.

Say na Benin wan fight, how many den be?

YoruBadGoon:
These Bini folks are starting to irk. We need to teach them the history of their overrated kingdom that thrived on fables and jejune tales. Bini kingdom's might thrived on outright lies - the only great thing it achieved came from those great artworks. And the knowledge of those artworks came from Owo and Ife.

Bini kingdom NEVER even conquered any relevant kingdom. You never conquered Igala kingdom, all the skirmishes had no victor or vanquished. You NEVER conquered Owo, it was a stalemate. You were scared of Dahomey and never went to war with the kingdom. You NEVER conquered Ijebu. You NEVER conquered Nupe. And to your east, you didn't even trouble the Igbos and Ijaws. Itsekiris sold you as slaves. Your only achievement outside ya small Bini fortress with a moat, was art and craft. Heck, Ogedengbe the Ijesha warrior, almost took the war to ya land and you had to placate him with a gift. Apart from building a tiny camp in tiny Eko, on Aworiland, with the help of the Ilajes - what else was the achievement of Bini kingdom?

Bini kingdom wasn't an empire - it was a kingdom populated by Edoid groups. Oyo on the other hand was an empire cos it had non-Yoruboid groups, from Bariba, to Fon etc.. Don't ever compare ya small kingdom that's only known for artworks birthed by Ife and Owo to anything Yoruba. You worship Yoruba orishas. Your kingship is Yoruba. And even in your Oba's palace, Yoruba used to be the language used for everything - yet you have this nauseating way of getting ahead of yourselves like you're actually better than what you're. Stop it. I still don't know how a small landlocked kingdom started worshipping Olokun. Who gave you Olokun, the most revered god in Biniland - if not Ijebus and Ilajes - Yoruba subgroups?

Fall back - the Ooni has spoken. Bini's throne came from Yorubas and you're the little brother. Stop punching above ya height cos of artworks.

Ogedengbe the Ijesha warrior, almost took the war to ya land and you had to placate him with a gift

An elderly man from Delta state told me this, but i did not believe it. It is now confirmed. Ogedengbe, the Ijesha warlord.

YoruBadGoon:



I won't say much but this picture should tell you a story.

Picture of your Oba, Oba Ovonranmwen, dressed in agbada like a Yoruba man before he went on exile, after the British invasion of your small bini kingdom in 1897. Why did he dress like a Yoruba man?

[img]http://1.bp..com/--rqsiAnqJJk/TuuY7oK0ZnI/AAAAAAAAAqo/w2w9opLqrWo/s640/Oba+Ovonramwen.jpg[/img]

na wao, where did u dig out this pic? Benins, confirm if this is the picture of your Oba.

walexy30:
witchcraft dey affect your English sef

I know say common sense no common, abeg try buy some from olx..

samuel051:

I know say common sense no common, abeg try buy some from olx..

correct your grammar.

walexy30:

correct your grammar.

guy try upgrade ur brain to jelly bean or lollypop becos e be like say d brain still dey ginger bread.

sotall:

My friend... don't write what you don't know.
ogiso doesn't mean king in Benin. Ogiso in Benin means kings of the sky.
and mind you Oba means king in Benin

ogie means king in Bini. .like ovie means king in Urhobo
Oba has never meant king in any edoid language Oba is simply a title in bini short for Omo n'oba n'edo
you bini people are shamelessly feeling inferior to Yoruba

opal4real:




1. Oramiyan was not crowned a King in Edo.
2. Benin has no meaning in Edo.
3. Because Oduduwa was a Benin prince named Ekaladerhan.
3. Yes Oba Eweka is the Son of Oranmiyan and the Grandson of Oduduwa and also the great grand son of the last Ogiso of Igodomigodo named Owodo,Owodo happen to be the father of Oduduwa( Prince Ekaladerhan)
4. The head of the Oba of Benin was never buried at Ile-Ife,but there is a stool at Ile-Ife refers to Our fathers Stool which none other can sit on except the Oba of Benin.
5.Hope you questions were answered without insults. Every question deserves an answer but any silly statament must not pass by without calling it what it is.

Sir pls tell us why Oba doesn't rule Without the Ogiamien Giving him his right to rule during coronation?
Infact why not tell us why the title of Ogiamien exist? and why the death of Oba erediuwa hasn't been known and his son made King? got anything to do with the vacancy of the Ogiamien position?
tell us why Oba Ewedo had to fight Ogiamien? tell us why Ogiamien didn't allow Oranmiyan to enter the main city of Igodomigodo(as bini was known then)


I think with ur answers we can safely conclude that the Oba is clearly foreign

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bokohalal?

This Benin Yoruba thing is becoming embarrassing and shameful. In this fast paced world some people are still talking oba this and who has oduduwa ...people are busy inventing technology and building fast cars youvarw here saying who is the first oba
Why don't they say who first placed man on the Mars
Who first discovered the shortest way to universe


Shame on you all

macof:




ogie means king in Bini. .like ovie means king in Urhobo

Oba has never meant king in any edoid language
Oba is simply a title in bini short for Omo n'oba n'edo

you bini people are shamelessly feeling inferior to Yoruba

mr inferior,talk what you know. oba means king and not any short form of anything.
Omo n'oba n'edo
is among one of the praises showered on the oba meaning "true son of the oba of edo" since only a true son can ascend d throne. it doesn't matter who is superior to who because it doesn't stop d atm machine from telling both a yoruba or edo man to wait while his transaction is processing....

.

sotall:


Rather it is your Kings and the Yoruba race that are born with inferiority complex. for example, it was this same inferiority complex that made your Alake open his gutter mouth to rank Yoruba kings and at the end wanted to daint the superiority of the Oba of Benin.
Another example is the oba of Lagos with his infamous lagoon statement. Before the 2015 general election, it was widespread news that your inferior kings of the south west were busy selling their kingship for dollars. Just recently, it was news that your new Ooni was involved in fraudulent deals and was been investigated by the EFCC. All these and more buttresses the inferiority and fakeness of Yoruba kings.
Have you heard any negative news about the Oba of Benin before?
The Oba of benin is superior and stand tall in the midst of all Yoruba idiotic kings

see bini fellow. . instead of addressing the issue of traditions and history he's going off topic to slander and insult Yorubas

inferiority complex. Yorubas have no reason to feel inferior to anybody. ..certainly nt a people who we gave our son to rule over

walexy30:

na wao, where did u dig out this pic? Benins, confirm if this is the picture of your Oba.

The PICS was after Oba Ovoramen No'gbaisi was betrayed and arrested. The Oba of Benin do not wear Yoruba dress. The dress he was arrested in was the same one Oba Akenzua wore when d Queen of England came visiting.

The thread has too many kids with little or no knowledge of history hence the jaundiced narratives flying around here.

The Benin was the last empire after its defeat before Nigeria was created. No other ethnic group were able to stand d British in battle for that long. The same Yorubas were in d British army that fought Benin and Ologboshere in anger cursed dem for d betrayal.

I advice the Yorubas to first deal with d hausa/fulani in ketu/orile who are repeating what their forebearers did severally centuries ago.

macof:




see bini fellow. . instead of addressing the issue of traditions and history he's going off topic to slander and insult Yorubas

inferiority complex. Yorubas have no reason to feel inferior to anybody. ..certainly nt a people who we gave our son to rule over

The Edos has no reason to be inferior coz the father will never be the son. A tribe(Edo) whose words are their wand can never be compared to a tribe of judas.

True Ogiamien history by an Ogiamien

the ruling house in Benin are yoruba the Ogiamien family are different and not under them. Read this I am full blooded benin history dont lie

Evian was the younger brother of Owodo. and mark it the only brother of Owodo, This brings us to the Ogiso Oliha quarrel. Qgiso Evian made his son heir Apparent and Oliha broke ranks in the King making process because Evian had prospered and his wealth extended beyond Benin. He spread rumour that the childless Owodo had a child which Evian disputed however he Evian asked for proof. (It should be noted that Evian was crowned Ogiso after Oliha and some chiefs misled him and chased him out of benin and Owodo died in exile. After this different calamities befell benin some include incest, sicknesses such as plagues etc The same Oliha begged Evian to ascend the throne and he killed the monster giant who was the captain of the Udo army that was carrying off young ladies in the market) The same Oliha sets out to Uhe (Ile Ife) and brings Omonayan (Oromiyan) however he fails to speak Benin language instead Evian demanded for Oduduwa (Izoduwa) and vowed that if he could speak the language he would vacate the throne. Evian chases out Oranmiyan from his presence but establishes him in Uselu. Ogiamien ancestral story had it that Oliha dare not bring Oduduwa to benin because he was full blooded yoruba and could not speak the language. This means that the benin people will revolt against him on finding out. Evian was suceeded by Ogiso Irebor Ogiamien. Other issues that were disputed and are still today are 1. Inability to prove that the Eweka Dynasty is a prince in Ogiso Family (Ogiamien is the only surviving prince in Ogiso Family House) 2. The Edion of Benin considered the dispute a purely family matter and begged that Ogiamien should sell the land of Benin to the Oba for there to be peace which he did and gave Eweka only Ogbe 3. That till date it is only Ogiamien that has his own set of chiefs he has even his own Oliha 4. That Ogiamien is not a palace chief nor is any of his chiefs. 5. Ogiamien Palace is the Oldest standing structure in the whole of Edo state the source of all Edo Authority 6. The door we have for the Oba on the Ogiamien Palace wall requires that he bends to enter the palace.. Dear Richard you dont need to believe it, that is the story of Ogiamien Family. Note Ogiamien family is not in contention with anybody or the yoruba leadership that currently has identity crisis and is ruling Benin Today. This has been the guided secret if pushed I will spill more for you children of Benin to know Thanks May The Ogiamien Blood line of Royalty, Peace and Sacrifice dwell among man for long Amen

Enough is enough...The federal government should do something about this. The yoruba people are either covering up their history or they don't know about it. The re very very inconsistent. They don't even know how the name Yoruba came and even if some of them managed to know the word is from the hausa/fulani, they still don't know the meaning. The yoruba are very tricky. The sultan of sokoto is the only monarchy to be compared to the oba of Benin. It's high time we clear the air. The FG should summon all these yoruba elders and chiefs who call themselves Obas to speak about their origin. We need to know if they are Nigerians or just occupying space here. We re not satisfied by their oduduwa story instead the Benin version sounds so real with consistency, dates and all that, Making it obvious that their own son who the yorubas took as their progenitor brought some of the Benin culture to yoruba land. If the Berebe (as called by the hausas) cannot tell us where Oduduwa came from, that means they re hiding something for sure or they don't know where he came from. Of course oduduwa has parents and he didn't appear when there is nobody in the yoruba land. So let's add all these things up and digest it.

Markymac5:
Enough is enough...The federal government should do something about this. The yoruba people are either covering up their history or they don't know about it. The re very very inconsistent. They don't even know how the name Yoruba came and even if some of them managed to know the word is from the hausa/fulani, they still don't know the meaning. The yoruba are very tricky. The sultan of sokoto is the only monarchy to be compared to the oba of Benin. It's high time we clear the air. The FG should summon all these yoruba elders and chiefs who call themselves Obas to speak about their origin. We need to know if they are Nigerians or just occupying space here. We re not satisfied by their oduduwa story instead the Benin version sounds so real with consistency, dates and all that, Making it obvious that their own son who the yorubas took as their progenitor brought some of the Benin culture to yoruba land. If the Berebe (as called by the hausas) cannot tell us where Oduduwa came from, that means they re hiding something for sure or they don't know where he came from. Of course oduduwa has parents and he didn't appear when there is nobody in the yoruba land. So let's add all these things up and digest it.

FACTS...

Jeez, can we all get to grip with the fact that no ethnic community was at any point in their history homogenous? And that no kingdom has ever survived from antiquity to the present day without acculturation through commerce, religion, conquests, immigration and emigration with their neighbors and outsiders? Ref: Egypt and Sudan; Arabia and the Maghreb; the English and the French ; the English and the Dutch; the the Turks and Armenians; the Cossacks and the Slavs etc.
Whether Ife influenced the Benin Kingdom or vice versa is highly irrelevant, the relevant point is how these feuding leaders have used relationship/contact to add value to the peoples of their kingdoms and by extension, the progress of the black race. Can these leaders consult their oracles and juju men and advise the present political leadership in the country, nay Africa on the course we must chart as black people to be at par with other races? China experienced economic miracle despite its more than 200 ethnic groupings! They are marching towards world economic domination at the moment. Should we continue to bicker on the supremacy or otherwise of inconsequential and anachronistic ethnic leaderships thatvhave failed their subjects many times over? Black men, can we rechannel our energies to discourses on the way out of our present and vicious cycle of poverty, ignorance, hunger,disease, famine and a collapsing economy? Ooni and Omo n'oba n'edo sef, who dem epp?

Christane:
Am well grounded in history ...it av bin long dat yorubas av bin oppressing d edo becus we are a single state nd dy are lyk 7 to 8 ...nd becus dy are among d majority wch form wazobia ...it z well written dat d first man in lagos z a benin man nd z d one dat name lagos eko which d yoruba adopted nd turn lagos to a yoruba land nd 4got abt d bini man dat first came to lagos dy av bin oppressing d benin people nd edo state at large with their vast population nw dy want to claim edo state nd put it in a yoruba map as part of a yoruba king nd even comparing their Ooni of our great Oba ...wat even d queen of england cnt compare ...wat did this young Ooni of a king knw he dat z a virgin wen it cums to historical matters dat av to do wit monarhical system ...he shud shut up nd dwell in d developing of d yoruba race ...edo state z 2 big 4 him to claim ..

You can't even construct good English and you making claims to be grounded in history... everybody's comment is subjective to his or her origin but one thing clear is both Yoruba and Benin are closely related

mayb i wil pay u to teach me how to spk english ..can u tel me any error i my post? idiot

Haoqi24:


You can't even construct good English and you making claims to be grounded in history... everybody's comment is subjective to his or her origin but one thing clear is both Yoruba and Benin are closely related

of course they are related, a banished Benin prince rule Ife, even Ooni of Ife said it himself.

ritababe:


of course they are related, a banished Benin prince rule Ife, even Ooni of Ife said it himself.

Will you shut up there!!!

Where n when did you hear him say that?

Haoqi24:

Will you shut up there!!!
Where n when did you hear him say that?

do you want proof?

ritababe:


do you want proof?

Do you also want proof that the previous Obas of Benin have been all buried in ile ife before the Benin people stopped the traditional practice of returning the Oba to his ancestral land?

Haoqi24:


Do you also want proof that the previous Obas of Benin have been all buried in ile ife before the Benin people stopped the traditional practice of returning the Oba to his ancestral land?

.that does not prove anything my Friend the evidence is what they say by themselves, Oba of Benin said it including ur Oni

xerxes2001:
True Ogiamien history by an Ogiamien

the ruling house in Benin are yoruba the Ogiamien family are different and not under them. Read this I am full blooded benin history dont lie

Evian was the younger brother of Owodo. and mark it the only brother of Owodo, This brings us to the Ogiso Oliha quarrel. Qgiso Evian made his son heir Apparent and Oliha broke ranks in the King making process because Evian had prospered and his wealth extended beyond Benin. He spread rumour that the childless Owodo had a child which Evian disputed however he Evian asked for proof. (It should be noted that Evian was crowned Ogiso after Oliha and some chiefs misled him and chased him out of benin and Owodo died in exile. After this different calamities befell benin some include incest, sicknesses such as plagues etc The same Oliha begged Evian to ascend the throne and he killed the monster giant who was the captain of the Udo army that was carrying off young ladies in the market) The same Oliha sets out to Uhe (Ile Ife) and brings Omonayan (Oromiyan) however he fails to speak Benin language instead Evian demanded for Oduduwa (Izoduwa) and vowed that if he could speak the language he would vacate the throne. Evian chases out Oranmiyan from his presence but establishes him in Uselu. Ogiamien ancestral story had it that Oliha dare not bring Oduduwa to benin because he was full blooded yoruba and could not speak the language. This means that the benin people will revolt against him on finding out. Evian was suceeded by Ogiso Irebor Ogiamien. Other issues that were disputed and are still today are 1. Inability to prove that the Eweka Dynasty is a prince in Ogiso Family (Ogiamien is the only surviving prince in Ogiso Family House) 2. The Edion of Benin considered the dispute a purely family matter and begged that Ogiamien should sell the land of Benin to the Oba for there to be peace which he did and gave Eweka only Ogbe 3. That till date it is only Ogiamien that has his own set of chiefs he has even his own Oliha 4. That Ogiamien is not a palace chief nor is any of his chiefs. 5. Ogiamien Palace is the Oldest standing structure in the whole of Edo state the source of all Edo Authority 6. The door we have for the Oba on the Ogiamien Palace wall requires that he bends to enter the palace.. Dear Richard you dont need to believe it, that is the story of Ogiamien Family. Note Ogiamien family is not in contention with anybody or the yoruba leadership that currently has identity crisis and is ruling Benin Today. This has been the guided secret if pushed I will spill more for you children of Benin to know Thanks May The Ogiamien Blood line of Royalty, Peace and Sacrifice dwell among man for long Amen

Xerxes,
During coronation of current King what role in the long rituals did Ogiamien play?

Also, in a council seating, between Oba and Ogiamien whose staff is positioned as flagbearer at the sitting?

ritababe:

.that does not prove anything my Friend the evidence is what they say by themselves, Oba of Benin said it including ur Oni

Oya show your proof